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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Conservative said:
If they did underestimate the severity as you claim they are incompetent and don't deserve the office. They didn't underestimate as they didn't have a clue. They are all liberal elites better suited for sitting in the faculty lounge at Harvard.
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Sure, and those main street conservatives that ruled both houses of Congress and the White House for six years did a brilliant job of predicting the financial crisis. :roll:

Unfortunately economics is anything but a hard science, and predictions are notoriously unreliable from every side.
 
Conservative said:
Why is it that anytime a liberal is challenged that it called an attack. When are you ever going to address the facts presented. Obama added 4 trillion to the debt in less than four years, Obama has more unemployed than when he took office. Obama has less people in the labor force than when the took office. Economic growth is 1% in 2011. Now his solution is class warfare and redistribution of wealth. That is devisive and damaging to the country.
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Obama did not add $4 trillion to the debt. Why do you insist on repeating that lie when it's been thrown back in your face countless times.

No President has total control of the economy, even if he can do whatever he wants to do without unrelenting opposition from the other side of the aisle. Again, you only criticize. You fail to present a single alternative policy course that wouldn't have made the situation worse rather than better.
 
Conservative said:
Define large portion? you have been told what the wars cost but as usual you ignored the information so let's get your version?
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Most of our debt is the result of our unfunded wars and tax cuts to the rich over the last 30 years.
 
washunut said:
fair enough. But then I think you have to take it a bit further. I will grant the CBO estimates as they are our official scorekeeper. However you have to then ask how much of the weakness in the last few months do to stimulus money waning. My point is that the stimulus did in fact give the economy a pick me up which is fine, but did not invest very much in anything that would have a sustainable impact. So the gains were relatively short term.
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Is it your opinion that infrastructure improvements and preventing layoffs of teachers, firefighters, and police have no value?
 
AdamT said:
Sure, and those main street conservatives that ruled both houses of Congress and the White House for six years did a brilliant job of predicting the financial crisis. :roll:

Unfortunately economics is anything but a hard science, and predictions are notoriously unreliable from every side.
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Indeed, McCain, who (shudder) might have been president if sensible heads had not prevailed, wasn't even aware we were in a recession in the run up to the election.
 
Catawba said:
Is it your opinion that infrastructure improvements and preventing layoffs of teachers, firefighters, and police have no value?
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No so do not put words in my mouth.
 
Conservative said:
You think this country was built on class warfare and redistributiof of wealth? Do you think the people of this country support the massive expansion of govt and the current 3.7 trillion dollar spending?

Republicans control one HOUSE not the govt. and the Ryan plan cut the budget deficit as did Cut, cap, and balance. What was the Obama position on those and where is the Obama plan to cut the deficit?
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President Obama has aplan to cut the deficit, you know it, I know it and so does the whole world President Obama's plan includes ending the bush tax cuts, closing tax loop holes. The conservatives like you refuse to do any thing that might reduce the amount of money going to the rich. The republican conservatives like you have no plan other then to find more ways to continue the plunder of the poor,elderly and middle class

Change is coming the carpetbagging tactics of rich will be ending in 2012
 
Conservative said:
I pay attention to results, when will you. If those promises were kept and we have the results we have today why would you support him for re-election? It would be a lot easier and more credible if you just admitted who you are.
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I doubt results mean anything to you since during the last months of the Bush admin. the economy was dropping like a ****ing rock, yet you would vote for him again if you could.
 
washunut said:
No so do not put words in my mouth.
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It was a question, not a statement, that is why it had a question mark at the end of it.
 
Catawba said:
Most of our debt is the result of our unfunded wars and tax cuts to the rich over the last 30 years.
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wrong-the moronic war on poverty and other handouts designed to buy votes is what caused the deficit. tax cuts cost nothing
 
EarlzP said:
President Obama has aplan to cut the deficit, you know it, I know it and so does the whole world President Obama's plan includes ending the bush tax cuts, closing tax loop holes. The conservatives like you refuse to do any thing that might reduce the amount of money going to the rich. The republican conservatives like you have no plan other then to find more ways to continue the plunder of the poor,elderly and middle class

Change is coming the carpetbagging tactics of rich will be ending in 2012
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Its fun watching obama worshippers swallow his swill hook like and sinker.

Your hysterical rants about the rich are really droll
 
AdamT said:
Obama did not add $4 trillion to the debt. Why do you insist on repeating that lie when it's been thrown back in your face countless times.

No President has total control of the economy, even if he can do whatever he wants to do without unrelenting opposition from the other side of the aisle. Again, you only criticize. You fail to present a single alternative policy course that wouldn't have made the situation worse rather than better.
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As has been proven over and over again the only lies are coming from you. I gave you the Treasury Website but as usual you ignored it. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty. Just like your claim that Republicans controlled the Congress 6 years during the Bush term, another lie. Please get the facts and stop making a fool of yourself. Think for a change, Majority Leader Tom Daschale means what? 2001-2002? Was Daschale a Republican?
 
Catawba said:
Most of our debt is the result of our unfunded wars and tax cuts to the rich over the last 30 years.
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I asked you to prove it and you cannot. thanks for playing. Provide Treasury Data to prove your claim.
 
EarlzP said:
President Obama has aplan to cut the deficit, you know it, I know it and so does the whole world President Obama's plan includes ending the bush tax cuts, closing tax loop holes. The conservatives like you refuse to do any thing that might reduce the amount of money going to the rich. The republican conservatives like you have no plan other then to find more ways to continue the plunder of the poor,elderly and middle class

Change is coming the carpetbagging tactics of rich will be ending in 2012
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As usual, no facts to back up your statements. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?
 
Conservative said:
As usual, no facts to back up your statements. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?
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liberalism appeals to three basic types of people

the largest are those who are dependent sheep-they want others to take care of them.
the second are those who want power by controlling the sheep-the leaders of the dem party
the third are the pillowheaded idealists.
 
pbrauer said:
I doubt results mean anything to you since during the last months of the Bush admin. the economy was dropping like a ****ing rock, yet you would vote for him again if you could.
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What has your choice done to make things better? There is a reason that Obama has an approval rating in the upper 30's and low 40's so maybe you ought to think about what the majority in this country know that you don't? I believe Civics will tell you how our govt. runs but apparently many are lacking in that basic understanding. Democrats controlled Congress in 2007-2008 so tell me again when the economy tanked? "Your" President was in that Congress.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-the moronic war on poverty and other handouts designed to buy votes is what caused the deficit. tax cuts cost nothing
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Looks like Catawba got his wars mixed up but you are exactly right.
 
Conservative said:
I asked you to prove it and you cannot. thanks for playing. Provide Treasury Data to prove your claim.
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2012 is coming

Why There Are Protests on Wall Street | NationofChange
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While many of the conservative defenders of Wall Street may be quick to portray protests against the American financial establishment as driven by envy of its wealth or far-left ideologies, the truth is that people have a very simple reason to be angry — because Wall Street’s actions made tens of millions of people dramatically poorer through no fault of their own. In 2010, the International Monetary Fund and World Bank conducted studies of the effects of the global recession — caused largely by Wall Street financial instruments that were poorly regulated by government policies — and found that the recession threw 64 million people into extreme poverty:
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2012 and 1/5 of the American population knows how the rich have manipulated the poor they see it in their childrens eyes in the struggles of their parents. Get ready your talking points are falling on death ears and the voice of the people will send the final message
 
Conservative said:
What has your choice done to make things better? There is a reason that Obama has an approval rating in the upper 30's and low 40's so maybe you ought to think about what the majority in this country know that you don't? I believe Civics will tell you how our govt. runs but apparently many are lacking in that basic understanding. Democrats controlled Congress in 2007-2008 so tell me again when the economy tanked? "Your" President was in that Congress.
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Interesting how now that a Democrat is in the president it's HIS fault that the economy is the way that it is and when a Republican was president it was CONGRESSES fault the way the economy was. And saying "the majority agrees with me" is never a good back up to your argument when the average person is so politically unaware these days.
 
EarlzP said:
2012 is coming





2012 and 1/5 of the American population knows how the rich have manipulated the poor they see it in their childrens eyes in the struggles of their parents. Get ready your talking points are falling on death ears and the voice of the people will send the final message
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I keep hoping you will start your rebellion within 950 meters of my house
 
EarlzP said:
2012 is coming


2012 and 1/5 of the American population knows how the rich have manipulated the poor they see it in their childrens eyes in the struggles of their parents. Get ready your talking points are falling on death ears and the voice of the people will send the final message
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Rhetoric and no substance. that is all I get from you. Where are the facts that show that the rich have manipulated the poor? No one can be manipulated without making the decision on their own.
 
TurtleDude said:
Its fun watching obama worshippers swallow his swill hook like and sinker.

Your hysterical rants about the rich are really droll
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2012 is coming and the hyserical ranting will turn to voter ranting and you and your elitist buddies will not like the out come, you have little no significant value many of those that your carpetbagging friends have stolen from have much more to offer to society then you do. Money does not make you rich it makes you a slave

Why There Are Protests on Wall Street | NationofChange
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While many of the conservative defenders of Wall Street may be quick to portray protests against the American financial establishment as driven by envy of its wealth or far-left ideologies, the truth is that people have a very simple reason to be angry — because Wall Street’s actions made tens of millions of people dramatically poorer through no fault of their own. In 2010, the International Monetary Fund and World Bank conducted studies of the effects of the global recession — caused largely by Wall Street financial instruments that were poorly regulated by government policies — and found that the recession threw 64 million people into extreme poverty:
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Voltaire X said:
Interesting how now that a Democrat is in the president it's HIS fault that the economy is the way that it is and when a Republican was president it was CONGRESSES fault the way the economy was. And saying "the majority agrees with me" is never a good back up to your argument when the average person is so politically unaware these days.
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Actually what is amazing is how you jump in the middle and don't have a clue as to the history of my posts. Amazing how little you know about civics. What happened in 2007-2008 is the fault of BOTH the President and the Congress, that is basic civics which many here don't understand. Obama took office with total control of Congress in massive numbers and the results show that there are more unemployed than when he took office, fewer people employed, 4 trillion added to the debt, a downgrade of our credit, and 1% GDP growth. That is what will be on the ballot in 2012 and anyone that supports this empty suit incompetent is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I have seen no evidence that you are politically aware of anything.
 
EarlzP said:
2012 is coming and the hyserical ranting will turn to voter ranting and you and your elitist buddies will not like the out come, you have little no significant value many of those that your carpetbagging friends have stolen from have much more to offer to society then you do. Money does not make you rich it makes you a slave
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Wow,a lot of hatred there. Get off the computer and get some help.
 
EarlzP said:
2012 is coming and the hyserical ranting will turn to voter ranting and you and your elitist buddies will not like the out come, you have little no significant value many of those that your carpetbagging friends have stolen from have much more to offer to society then you do. Money does not make you rich it makes you a slave
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You are abolutely correct, 2012 is coming and you aren't going to like the results. What exactly have you don't to help the poor? How much do you contribute local charities? Why do you think that is the Federal Government's role? I believe this is an act on your part so prove me wrong by providing actual data to support your claims, not op ed pieces from leftwing sites.
 
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