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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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pbrauer said:
How many private sector jobs were lost in 2008 and the time Obama had the curtains changed in the Oval Office?
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You mean under the Democrat budget and legislative leadership? Wasn't Obama part of that Congress?
 
Conservative said:
There is no proof that Warren Buffet's secretary is paying a lower percentage than Warren Buffet and why does that even bother you? What someone else pays in taxes seems to concern you more than what the govt is doing with those dollars. Keep buying the Obama rhetoric and see how far that gets you in the real world.

It further doesn't matter why I voted for Bush because there is nothing relevant today. I can only change what is happening right now but obviously you like what is going on now. Guess that is liberal compassion.
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Are you calling billionaire Warren Buffet a liar?
 
disneydude said:
Sorry...Con....but once again you are wrong. Seeing a pattern here? We were hemorraghing jobs by the thousands under the previous clown. True....Obama hasn't done much to pull us out of the GWB mess....but anyone that pays attention knows who got us into this mess.
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Then prove me wrong, over 8 years Bush had a net job gain, over the past three years Obama has a net job loss. Back your claims up with data? Wasn't Obama part of the Democrat controlled Congress in 2007-2008?
 
EarlzP said:
Act? Your whining and crying about how the liberals are trying to steal your money is an obnoxious act, proof= the transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich. I don't care how you label it the countries wealth was more evenly spread across the classes and now it is concentrated with the rich. My conclusion it was stolen through stock market manipulating, predatory lending by banks, insurance companies, speculating, derivatives,hedge funds, wars waged to protect the interests of the haves
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as time goes on winners win more losers continue to lose

deal with it
 
Conservative said:
You mean under the Democrat budget and legislative leadership? Wasn't Obama part of that Congress?
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So then....its the Republican Congress that has failed to deliver on their Jobs JObs Jobs pledge, right Con? After all....you don't wanna be a hypocrite do you?
 
pbrauer said:
Are you calling billionaire Warren Buffet a liar?
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Have you seen any evidence to support his statement? Without proof yes, he would be a liar all because of his support for higher taxes for millionaires showing again that he is a hypocrit. All he has to do is send in more money than required. Has he done that?
 
Conservative said:
You mean under the Democrat budget and legislative leadership? Wasn't Obama part of that Congress?
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What did they have to do with the price of tea from China? I think your civics class were a failure.:roll:
 
disneydude said:
So then....its the Republican Congress that has failed to deliver on their Jobs JObs Jobs pledge, right Con? After all....you don't wanna be a hypocrite do you?
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What Republican Congress would that be? Do you get any national news in California?
 
Conservative said:
There is no proof that Warren Buffet's secretary is paying a lower percentage than Warren Buffet and why does that even bother you? What someone else pays in taxes seems to concern you more than what the govt is doing with those dollars. Keep buying the Obama rhetoric and see how far that gets you in the real world.

It further doesn't matter why I voted for Bush because there is nothing relevant today. I can only change what is happening right now but obviously you like what is going on now. Guess that is liberal compassion.
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Good thing Buffett did not claim that.
 
pbrauer said:
What did they have to do with the price of tea from China? I think your civics class were a failure.:roll:
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If you have to ask then you have no business talking about a civics education. I always thought you were educationally challenged when it came to understanding civics. I guess we elect a King when a Republican is in the WH and Democrats control the Congress but don't when a Democrat is elected to the WH and has a Democrat Congress?
 
Conservative said:
Then prove me wrong, over 8 years Bush had a net job gain, over the past three years Obama has a net job loss. Back your claims up with data? Wasn't Obama part of the Democrat controlled Congress in 2007-2008?
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So if you compare two unlike things, you get two unlike results. Thank you for clearing that up.
 
Conservative said:
Have you seen any evidence to support his statement? Without proof yes, he would be a liar all because of his support for higher taxes for millionaires showing again that he is a hypocrit. All he has to do is send in more money than required. Has he done that?
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So, you don't believe him even though you have no evidence he lied. Yup, you're a conservative.:roll:
 
Conservative said:
Have you seen any evidence to support his statement? Without proof yes, he would be a liar all because of his support for higher taxes for millionaires showing again that he is a hypocrit. All he has to do is send in more money than required. Has he done that?
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Supporting higher taxes on himself is not hypocrisy. Kinda the opposite in fact.
 
Redress said:
That is the claim of the president actually, which he clearly states. Buffett was the one who brought up the claim, and instead of actually addressing it, he is called a socialist and irrelevant stats are thrown around.
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You can post his clearly stated remarks concerning capital gains at any point. I would love to read them.
 
pbrauer said:
So, you don't believe him even though you have no evidence he lied. Yup, you're a conservative.:roll:
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There is no evidence that he isn't lying but I guess like with Obama you are willing to believe anything? The problem with that is the end results make you look foolish.
 
Conservative said:
If you have to ask then you have no business talking about a civics education. I always thought you were educationally challenged when it came to understanding civics. I guess we elect a King when a Republican is in the WH and Democrats control the Congress but don't when a Democrat is elected to the WH and has a Democrat Congress?
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Where did you learn that Congress has control of private business?
 
Redress said:
And yet you have totally failed to show he was lying, and had to give up on the attempt. Kinda interesting...
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He engaged in dishonesty on several levels. He claims he pays less than his secretary in terms of tax rate

that is dishonest on several dimensions

1) he has not said what his secretary makes so there is a failure of proof

2) secondly, he has structured his compensation so as to have a minimal salary thus avoiding taxes though he pays 35% on his salary but his overall rate, mostly investment income is lower

3) unless his secretary is making 200K or so her EFFECTIVE tax rate is still lower than his. what he claims is her next dollar is taxed probably at 25% while his at 18%
 
Redress said:
Supporting higher taxes on himself is not hypocrisy. Kinda the opposite in fact.
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Con should know a lot about hypocrisy. I wonder if Con realizes that the vast majority of jobs that were created under GWB were federal government jobs. So much for that "conservative" value of a small central government.
 
pbrauer said:
Are you calling billionaire Warren Buffet a liar?
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I think we should wait and see what the plan of attack is, if we even ever get one and then decide what we should call him.
 
Redress said:
Supporting higher taxes on himself is not hypocrisy. Kinda the opposite in fact.
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not giving lots extra to the government is

and he has structured his estate so the government gets ZERO dollars but he clamors for higher death taxes
 
pbrauer said:
Where did you learn that Congress has control of private business?
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you buy what Buffet says because you want to believe it, where is your proof then you want to blame Bush for the legislative and budget approved by a Democrat controlled Congress and act like Bush implemented it alone? That says a lot about your civics education?
 
Conservative said:
There is no evidence that he isn't lying but I guess like with Obama you are willing to believe anything? The problem with that is the end results make you look foolish.
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Kinda like the way you look when you post a link based on a headline without actually reading the article?
 
1Perry said:
You can post his clearly stated remarks concerning capital gains at any point. I would love to read them.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1

Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.
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The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.
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Is that not clear?
 
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