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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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jealous much?

when you rant about heirs as you do its obvious you are upset that others have more industrious parents

are your children parasites?

Seriously, do you think you could come up with something other than ad hominem? At least try to defend your position.
 
That's because they aren't hiring. If they actually employed more people, they would make a smaller share of the overall percentage that's paid into income taxes. If less people are working, they have no income, therefore they can't pay income taxes.

More money for themselves.
 
You are ignoring the key factor here: children who inherit money from parents are not successful by virtue of that fact, they have not achieved by virtue of that fact,nor have they have no excelled by virtue of that fact, they did not earn anything. They were simply lucky by the accident of birth.

that smacks of envy too. and many such children are successful. in many cases they can achieve at far higher levels. I almost made an olympic team and was on two world teams because I didn't have to cut into my training.

and you have no moral right to what others earn and give to whom they want no matter how many ways to try to justify it
 
You are ignoring the key factor here: children who inherit money from parents are not successful by virtue of that fact, they have not achieved by virtue of that fact,nor have they have no excelled by virtue of that fact, they did not earn anything. They were simply lucky by the accident of birth.

Well, it does seem to make them unusually defensive and it clearly tends to imbue a strong sense of entitlement.
 
Seriously, do you think you could come up with something other than ad hominem? At least try to defend your position.

this is coming from a guy who calls heirs "parasites"

tell me why you have a right to what someone else earned
 
that smacks of envy too. and many such children are successful. in many cases they can achieve at far higher levels. I almost made an olympic team and was on two world teams because I didn't have to cut into my training.

and you have no moral right to what others earn and give to whom they want no matter how many ways to try to justify it

Certainly growing up wealthy imparts enormous advantages that others don't have, even without a sizeable inheritance. OTOH, I suppose the feelings of guilt and sense of entitlement are something of a burden.
 
that smacks of envy too. and many such children are successful. in many cases they can achieve at far higher levels. I almost made an olympic team and was on two world teams because I didn't have to cut into my training.

and you have no moral right to what others earn and give to whom they want no matter how many ways to try to justify it

Again you miss the point.

Children who inherit simply have the luck to be born in the right family. Your statements that the rich are smarter and more successful DOES NOT APPLY to trust fund children who inherit.

What teams you may have almost been on is irrelevant to this fact.

Nobody here cares who gives you money. That is not and never was the issue. for you to pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest and a diversion from the topic being discussed.
 
this is coming from a guy who calls heirs "parasites"

tell me why you have a right to what someone else earned

I never claimed a personal right to anything. My belief is that anything of substantial value should be earned.
 
Certainly growing up wealthy imparts enormous advantages that others don't have, even without a sizeable inheritance. OTOH, I suppose the feelings of guilt and sense of entitlement are something of a burden.

great don't leave your children anything assuming you can earn something But don't foist your attitude on me. YOu do what you want and I will do what I want.
 
I never claimed a personal right to anything. My belief is that anything of substantial value should be earned.

and if you earn something you have the right to do with it as you see fit

that's the point you seem to miss
 
Again you miss the point.

Children who inherit simply have the luck to be born in the right family. Your statements that the rich are smarter and more successful DOES NOT APPLY to trust fund children who inherit.

What teams you may have almost been on is irrelevant to this fact.

Nobody here cares who gives you money. That is not and never was the issue. for you to pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest and a diversion from the topic being discussed.

It is interesting, how they can say those with less wealth or incomes just need to work harder, while at the same time defending inheritance. I'd like everyone who wants money to work for it. A level playing field where your success is the result of your efforts. Not everyone wants to play on a level playing field. At least they admit it, I guess.
 
Again you miss the point.

Children who inherit simply have the luck to be born in the right family. Your statements that the rich are smarter and more successful DOES NOT APPLY to trust fund children who inherit.

What teams you may have almost been on is irrelevant to this fact.

Nobody here cares who gives you money. That is not and never was the issue. for you to pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest and a diversion from the topic being discussed.

never said that. you are being intellectually dishonest when making such a claim

what I am claiming is that you have no proper standing to demand that an owner of an estate have his wealth taken because you are upset that he may give it to someone you don't approve of

you have absolutely ZERO moral standing to determine what happens to that wealth
 
and if you earn something you have the right to do with it as you see fit

that's the point you seem to miss

I agree. As long as I live what's mine is mine. After I die it goes back to the society that made it possible. Ashes to ashes....
 
It is interesting, how they can say those with less wealth or incomes just need to work harder, while at the same time defending inheritance. I'd like everyone who wants money to work for it. A level playing field where your success is the result of your efforts. Not everyone wants to play on a level playing field. At least they admit it, I guess.

I oppose giving the government that power

if you earn a million you should be able to give it to whom you want and the envious, the parasitic and the utopian pillowheads should be denied any say in what you do with it
 
I agree. As long as I live what's mine is mine. After I die it goes back to the society that made it possible. Ashes to ashes....

that's your right to do with your wealth as you see fit

me I plan on giving it to those I want to give it to
 
never said that. you are being intellectually dishonest when making such a claim

what I am claiming is that you have no proper standing to demand that an owner of an estate have his wealth taken because you are upset that he may give it to someone you don't approve of

you have absolutely ZERO moral standing to determine what happens to that wealth

You are 100% wrong.

As an American citizen, I have every right to have an opinion about matters of taxation. And this is one of them. I have a perfect legal right to lobby my legislators to enact laws putting my opinion on such matters into law.

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never said that. you are being intellectually dishonest when making such a claim

Now it is you who are grossly intellectually dishonest. Over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread you have repeatedly and often told this board how increasing taxes upon the wealthy is punishing those who are more successful and those who achieve more. Again, people who inherit are not more successful nor have they achieved anything other than inheritence. In theory, if you taxed them at 99% you would not be punishing success or achievement. You would simply be taxing the good luck to be born to wealthy parents.
 
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It is interesting, how they can say those with less wealth or incomes just need to work harder, while at the same time defending inheritance. I'd like everyone who wants money to work for it. A level playing field where your success is the result of your efforts. Not everyone wants to play on a level playing field. At least they admit it, I guess.

And therein lies the fundamental conservative hypocrisy. So many of them turn a blind eye to the extraordinary advantages they enjoy through no effort of their own and then throw dirt on those who came into life with two strikes against them. Too many parasites who were born rich have the gaul to cast aspersions on those who were born with every disadvantage.
 
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I oppose giving the government that power

if you earn a million you should be able to give it to whom you want and the envious, the parasitic and the utopian pillowheads should be denied any say in what you do with it

Of course you can give your money away, but the parasite who receives it should pay hefty taxes on the unearned income.
 
You are 100% wrong.

As an American citizen, I have every right to have an opinion about matters of taxation. And this is one of them. I have a perfect legal right to lobby my legislators to enact laws putting my opinion on such matters into law.

You have no moral right to demand that others' wealth be taken from them when you don't risk the same taxation

yes you can vote for parasitic government and you do but its morally disgusting

another reason why there should be no estate tax, it panders to the envious who are mad that they don't have wealthy parents and think that no one else should so benefit

that tax is nothing more than pandering-it doesn't even raise that much tax and its compliance cost is higher than what it generates. it is economically inefficient and exists merely because special interests (dem politicians, estate planners and tax lawyers) want it
 
Of course you can give your money away, but the parasite who receives it should pay hefty taxes on the unearned income.

why because you say so

envy again
 
And therein lies the fundamental conservative hypocrisy. So many of them turn a blind eye to the extraordinary advantages they enjoy through no effort of their own and then throw dirt on those who came into life two strikes against them.


Uh you are wrong as usual. I don't throw dirt, I just note I have no proper duty in being forced to pay for the lot of others whose situation I have nothing to do with
 
You have no moral right to demand that others' wealth be taken from them when you don't risk the same taxation

yes you can vote for parasitic government and you do but its morally disgusting

another reason why there should be no estate tax, it panders to the envious who are mad that they don't have wealthy parents and think that no one else should so benefit

that tax is nothing more than pandering-it doesn't even raise that much tax and its compliance cost is higher than what it generates. it is economically inefficient and exists merely because special interests (dem politicians, estate planners and tax lawyers) want it

Moral right?!?!?!? I do not know what that means in the context of a discussion about taxation.

Can you explain it?
 
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