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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Just exactly what the **** do you mean by that last sentence?

Well, let's see, what have you been doing the past year? "I have been protesting the capitalistic system that I now want you to hire me to be part of" It really is a shame that you cannot think beyond your own prejudices.
 
Well, let's see, what have you been doing the past year? "I have been protesting the capitalistic system that I now want you to hire me to be part of" It really is a shame that you cannot think beyond your own prejudices.

Why do you talk down to people on the forums?
 
Do you recognize the 1st Amendment? She has every right and a responsibility to stand up for what she believes in even if I did not agree with her and even if you do not agree with her, I under stand why some would be concerned with the occupy wall street movement, I understand why the rich, why Wall Street, why bankers and many others including the Chinese would be concerned.

When our involvement in Viet Nam was starting I went I did not have to I asked to, why? the protests were going on and I wanted to know why we were there, I never challenged the protestors right to demonstrate against the war, I did not like it much that people going to college were able to avoid their duty to country I mean the colleges would be there when and if they came back, the fact that many rich kids could avoid duty to country is just one reason I think the rich should pick up more of the tax burden, worst then that was rich kids sat at home while the children of the poor died fighting for their country.

I will bet that the rich are really concerned about the demonstrations and should be

And private industry has every right to fire her ass.
 
You really think Bush was a good president. Holy check.

31 Reasons Why Bush is a Bad President at bengarvey.com

Bush isn't the topic of this thread but he will go down in history as a much better President than the empty suit in the WH now when actual results are reviewed, not partisan biased media reports that you and others buy. The only person smiling today is Jimmy Carter since he is being replaced by Barack Obama as the country's worst President.
 
Well, let's see, what have you been doing the past year? "I have been protesting the capitalistic system that I now want you to hire me to be part of" It really is a shame that you cannot think beyond your own prejudices.

Why would they know? Did she put it on a resume?
 
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Just tired of the blame Bush crowd which you seem part of.

You, good sir, were the one who brought him into this conversation, so I suggest you finish your lie you were trying to publish on this site.
 
I was looking for a job when I found the job I had for 35 years and earned every dime I made.

Conserv, I respect your opinion but honestly, there would be no protests if people were able to go out and find jobs. 35 years ago you could start a decent career straight from high school, if you graduated college, you had some very good prospects. Nowadays you graduate with a Masters and can't find employment. I graduated, worked at a very good Brokerage firm and did well until it went belly up. I was unemployed for about 5 months while searching for another job and (thankfully) I found one. I can completely sympathize with people just out of college unable to find work.

I do think your perspective is totally relevant and true....35 years ago but it's a little condescending as unemployment rates among the younger age groups is much higher than the rest of the population to act like they should just go out and get a job.
 
Because Wall Street isn't a scam even though there are some scammers on Wall Street. We have laws to protect investors, so enforce the laws and stop blaming everyone else. Nothing forces you to invest in Wall Street and if you do no one forces you to buy a particular investment so stop blaming everyone else for your failure and everyone else's that you want to blame Wall Street for. Where does personal responsibility lie in your world? If not capitalism, what?

Sorry but your daughter is an idiot because I doubt that she even knows what she is protesting. Instead of wasting her time there do some good and give all her money away so stop with the BS. What purpose does the protest do and just think how that protest is going to look on their resume.
Do you mean to tell me that taking questionable mortgaged backed securities and having one of the rating firms rate these as AAA is not a SCAM??? How about using computers to make millions of trades per second. How about using the commodities markets to speculate rather than used as tool for businesses to plan future business?
 
And private industry has every right to fire her ass.

I thought you might be at least fairly intelligent and now I know you are just arrogant, let me help you again she is a "doctor" she would have to look in the mirror and fire herself, she worked hard mostly putting herself through school it took her twelve years to achieve her doctrate. Unlike you she is a real American who knows that it is our differences that make us a great nation. She knows it's not a flashy car or a 6 bedroom house that determines the value of a person. Your superior condescending attitude says all that is needed to be said about you.

The occupy wall street protestors will determine the out come of the 2012 elections, please repeat for me what you think about the demonstrators
 
Just tired of the blame Bush crowd which you seem part of.

You didn't answer a simple question,

"Since you felt Clinton was to blame this would indicate that you have the realization that it was a bad thing, no?"
 
NO ONE PAYS AN EFFECTIVE INCOME RATE OF 36% IN THE USA Given that 35% is the highest marginal rate. If you count all federal taxes maybe the top payers are close to that but its not the middle class. we posted the stuff and the top effective federal rate is around 30% and that is those in the several hundred thousand to a few million

NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS

Once again you provide unsubstantiated opinion in response to documented evidence.
 
History shows that if you subsidize dependence, sloth, and parasitic behaviour you increase it which is what the dems want since that corresponds to increased dem voters

I provided links to back up my historical references, and you only provide unsubstantiated opinion, again. I am noticing a pattern in your posting.
 
I thought you might be at least fairly intelligent and now I know you are just arrogant, let me help you again she is a "doctor" she would have to look in the mirror and fire herself, she worked hard mostly putting herself through school it took her twelve years to achieve her doctrate. Unlike you she is a real American who knows that it is our differences that make us a great nation. She knows it's not a flashy car or a 6 bedroom house that determines the value of a person. Your superior condescending attitude says all that is needed to be said about you.

The occupy wall street protestors will determine the out come of the 2012 elections, please repeat for me what you think about the demonstrators

Identy politics....doctors aren't Liberals, only shiftless bongo beating jobless art history majors. *sarcasm*
 
I provided links to back up my historical references, and you only provide unsubstantiated opinion, again. I am noticing a pattern in your posting.

The pattern in your posting is emotobabble that is pretending to be factual
 
Identy politics....doctors aren't Liberals, only shiftless bongo beating jobless art history majors. *sarcasm*

real doctors don't have time for that idiotic nonsense
 
I am sorry if my thoughts offended you. Another poster mentioned that the higher tax rates on the wealthy did not and would not discourage people from making money. I think that is correct.

Perhaps I am old and feeble and can not keep track of who is posting to you who posted in reply to someone else and had so and so in mind when they posted to you. I deeply apologize to you if I slighted you or your argument.

You still fail to respond to respond to what I said to YOU. I understand you are old and feeble so I will respectfully repeat my assertion. That is that for generations we have had as aspirational society that as a basis meant that one generation strove in order that their children would be in a better place.

You seem to indicate that there is no level of wealth that should be passed along from generation to generation. I say that doing this would make it less likely for middle that have made it to the middle class or a bit beyond will be motivated to work a few more years to build a nest egg that will eventually go to the government.

Now you can either respond or keep the nonsense and have mindless knuckleheads "like" another non response.
 
Conserv, I respect your opinion but honestly, there would be no protests if people were able to go out and find jobs. 35 years ago you could start a decent career straight from high school, if you graduated college, you had some very good prospects. Nowadays you graduate with a Masters and can't find employment. I graduated, worked at a very good Brokerage firm and did well until it went belly up. I was unemployed for about 5 months while searching for another job and (thankfully) I found one. I can completely sympathize with people just out of college unable to find work.

I do think your perspective is totally relevant and true....35 years ago but it's a little condescending as unemployment rates among the younger age groups is much higher than the rest of the population to act like they should just go out and get a job.

I agree. And unemployment isn't the issue with my age group and younger, college grad crowd. The issue is the fact that, with my last job I had, I ran a crappy little restaurant, my dishwasher had a 4 year degree in english lit, or something like that, one of my servers had a 4 year in psychology, and is now working on her masters, so she continue to be a sever, one of my cashiers had 4 year in business managment, and I myslef have a 4 year degree. NOT in restaurant management. I hire these people because, of all the applications I get (which are a LOT, consistently), if I had to choose, I'll choose the folks that had the brains and determination to finish out their degrees in college, over people largely untested and unverifiable until AFTER hiring. You know? And now I'm outa work, because that place went under, and I've been looking for work for the past 3 months and a week. I have a part time job, at BJ's wholesale club, in the meat dept. But that only supliments unemployment. I need at least 43,000 a year, give or take, in order to really be ok. I need at LEAST 37,000 a year just to keep me and my family in the black. The extra is for college for the kids, retirement, and god forbid I ever want to be able to afford a car should one of mine breaks down. And personally, I consider myself much more fortunate than most.
 
I agree. And unemployment isn't the issue with my age group and younger, college grad crowd. The issue is the fact that, with my last job I had, I ran a crappy little restaurant, my dishwasher had a 4 year degree in english lit, or something like that, one of my servers had a 4 year in psychology, and is now working on her masters, so she continue to be a sever, one of my cashiers had 4 year in business managment, and I myslef have a 4 year degree. NOT in restaurant management. I hire these people because, of all the applications I get (which are a LOT, consistently), if I had to choose, I'll choose the folks that had the brains and determination to finish out their degrees in college, over people largely untested and unverifiable until AFTER hiring. You know? And now I'm outa work, because that place went under, and I've been looking for work for the past 3 months and a week. I have a part time job, at BJ's wholesale club, in the meat dept. But that only supliments unemployment. I need at least 43,000 a year, give or take, in order to really be ok. I need at LEAST 37,000 a year just to keep me and my family in the black. The extra is for college for the kids, retirement, and god forbid I ever want to be able to afford a car should one of mine breaks down. And personally, I consider myself much more fortunate than most.

While I feel bad for the situation you and the folks you write about are in, what did anyone think they could do with a English lit degree?

This economy stinks, but it has been bottoming out for the last 30 years, propped up by personal and government debt until that could not rise any more. Why aren't people protesting about free trade. Obama promised us fair trade where is it. Without fair trade we send our manufacturing jobs overseas and instead wind up with service sector jobs like the kind you find yourself in.

When will the public stop being led like sheep by one party or the other. This new rally is just the Democratic response of the tea party.
 
Obviously, as you have abandoned the historian's perspective to just make up your own.

I have not. Maybe YOU should look into it sometime. Do a quick google search about the history of the 16th amendment. Maybe you'll learn something in the process that you didn't already know. Making it no longer a waste of time.
 
I wonder how true the above statement is. For example when people talk about about the top 400 wealthiest people are those the same 400 wealthiest from 20 years ago? Was the facebook guy even on this list 10 years ago.

And exception doesn't invalidate the rule. I'de say it's 50/50, though. With new money and old money. And the absolute, balls out richest people...were BORN that way.
 
You still fail to respond to respond to what I said to YOU. I understand you are old and feeble so I will respectfully repeat my assertion. That is that for generations we have had as aspirational society that as a basis meant that one generation strove in order that their children would be in a better place.

You seem to indicate that there is no level of wealth that should be passed along from generation to generation. I say that doing this would make it less likely for middle that have made it to the middle class or a bit beyond will be motivated to work a few more years to build a nest egg that will eventually go to the government.

Now you can either respond or keep the nonsense and have mindless knuckleheads "like" another non response.

I never said that there is no wealth that should not be passed on to the next generation. I said it should be taxed..... much like we tax income.

You have the right to think what you want about peoples motivations - however, I do not think the thought of someone having to pay a tax on a fortune of amassing tens of millions of dollars is going to stop them from amassing that fortune.
 
While I feel bad for the situation you and the folks you write about are in, what did anyone think they could do with a English lit degree?

This economy stinks, but it has been bottoming out for the last 30 years, propped up by personal and government debt until that could not rise any more. Why aren't people protesting about free trade. Obama promised us fair trade where is it. Without fair trade we send our manufacturing jobs overseas and instead wind up with service sector jobs like the kind you find yourself in.

When will the public stop being led like sheep by one party or the other. This new rally is just the Democratic response of the tea party.


I agree. I'm not making excuses, nor am I looking for handouts. I will land on my feet, and end up on top of whatever heap I'm tossed into, and I don't require hand outs to do so. Here's some food for thought. I took this part time job, because sitting around all day doing nothing and getting 400 a week to do it is very, very boring. So, I set up a part time gig that works with my wife's schedule so we won't lose money on child car services, got going. But I don't really get any extra money out of it. I lose 67% of what I earn from the job on my unenployment. Far easier, and not a lot less lucrative, to just sit back and collect. If my wife just made a tiny bit less, then we'd qualify for food stamps, and then we would be ROLLING, but with two kids, that would get us almost 600 a month for groceries. We could be eating ribeye steaks every other day on that kinda budget. But a lot of folks in CT use their EBT to purchase items to resale, like the guy that comes into BJs every month to buy 600 bucks worth of Redbull. Think his kids need that much redbull? Another guy comes in buys and entire pallet of candy bars. Truly, this is a good use for these services, and makes me glad I am forced to pay into them.
 
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