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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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TurtleDude said:
I have no duty to pay more when others don't even pay their share
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Actually you have a legal obligation to pay what the law says you should pay. And those who do not pay - the demonized 47% - what you call their FAIR SHARE do so because of Republican George Bush and Republicans in Congress who supplied over 90% of the YES votes on the 2001 & 2003 tax cut laws, also do what the law says.
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
Incorrect. The national debt is greater than annual output; taxing lower income households @ a higher rate does nothing to solve this problem.
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you miss the obvious point. until the masses suffer tax increases they have no incentive to ever demand less spending
 
pbrauer said:
Why shouldn't rich pay for their foolhearty wars like Iraq?
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why shouldn't you liberals pay for the moronic war on poverty which has created tons of problems and wasted far more money than all the wars in the last 50 years
 
TurtleDude said:
NO i cannot. I have other things to spend the money on

You could afford more taxes too. You don't need a computer. you should sell it and pay the receipts to the government
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Yeah but he earned a computer. What you forget is that you are not entitled to a computer. If you are having trouble paying the bills then maybe you "don't need" a computer and you can sell it to take care of your own business.
 
haymarket said:
Actually you have a legal obligation to pay what the law says you should pay.
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that is a rather pitiful argument

and you seem to ignore that the treatment of capital gains income that you complain about is the law too
 
TurtleDude said:
I find it rather disingenuous that some claim that the government should not "pick" winners or losers by having different tax treatment of different sources of income yet they oppose a flat tax on all income or a consumption tax-both of which would prevent the government engaging in class warfare or pitting one group against another.

What is obvious is many people try to justify higher rates on dividend or Capital gains income PURELY because a few thousand people have lower taxes than some highly salaried individuals because those few thousand have only investment income and that somehow upsets the class warriors who are mad that a billionaire only paid 18% of his billion dollar income while someone making 200K a year might have paid 20%. (Buffet's secretary would have to be making over 150K for him to come close to being honest and he still paid 35% rate on his 100K salary)

They ignore that the billionaire paid more actual dollars than 70+ million americans combined but they ignore the fact that 47% of Americans have exactly the same rights as a billionaire but pay less income taxes COMBINED than that one billionaire.

They are indignant over "unequal tax rates" except when it allows people to have full citizenship rights without paying the dues
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I find it a huge ball of cat crap that the folks that make more dont give to their Country what they should.
I freakin HATE taxes but at this moment in time its a reality.
Turtle in MY world there would be NO welfare. There would be NO UNIONS. But I live in reality.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Please explain Turtle how they created the problems that we have now please?
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too many people want too much government that others are taxed to pay for

that leads to politicians pandering to the many by promising them more and more handouts combined with a claim that OTHERS will pay for those things
 
Smokified said:
If the private sector is not earning money for the government to tax, then where does the money come from?
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We borrow the shortfall.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
I find it a huge ball of cat crap that the folks that make more dont give to their Country what they should.
I freakin HATE taxes but at this moment in time its a reality.
Turtle in MY world there would be NO welfare. There would be NO UNIONS. But I live in reality.
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are you really so ignorant as to not understand that the top one percent already pay 40% of the income tax and all the death tax and that the top 5% pay more income tax than the rest of the country put together and you spew this idiotic drivel that they don't pay enough? what percentage of the income tax should the top one percent pay?
 
TurtleDude said:
you miss the obvious point. until the masses suffer tax increases they have no incentive to ever demand less spending
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Spending will subside as the labor market recovers.

Tax increases and spending cuts will be required to pay our future obligations.
 
TurtleDude said:
too many people want too much government that others are taxed to pay for

that leads to politicians pandering to the many by promising them more and more handouts combined with a claim that OTHERS will pay for those things
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how about spending on wars?
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
Spending will subside as the labor market recovers.

Tax increases and spending cuts will be required to pay our future obligations.
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fine-make everyone pay more than

right now I find those who only want to tax the rich to be shirkers, cowards and dishonest

they just want others to do the work for them

and taxing the rich more isn't going to create jobs
 
TurtleDude said:
remind me what benefit I got from the wars that you did not
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Depends on whether you purchased HAL (or similar companies) prior to 2002.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Depends on whether you purchased HAL (or similar companies) prior to 2002.
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Nope, didn't derive any benefits beyond what you and others got as well
 
Thunder said:
satisfaction?
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that is really lame but expected. None of you who try to justify OTHERS paying more taxes have a rational argument
 
TurtleDude said:
Nope, didn't derive any benefits beyond what you and others got as well
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Which proves that nobody benefited (more so than others) from doubling the defense budget. :roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
that is really lame but expected. None of you who try to justify OTHERS paying more taxes have a rational argument
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others who are millionaires can afford to pay a little more in taxes. it would help the country a lot.

they can afford it and it will barely affect their spending, if at all.

its common sense. its logical. its not rocket science.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Which proves that nobody benefited (more so than others) from doubling the defense budget. :roll:
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true. so the rich should not be taxed for that war alone
 
TurtleDude said:
that is really lame but expected. None of you who try to justify OTHERS paying more taxes have a rational argument
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The case for marginal utility has been made before.
 
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