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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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pbrauer said:
There is an old saying that rings true: "Statistics never lie but liars use statistics"
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Liberals are constantly posting stats to prove their point! :lamo
 
apdst said:
Liberals are constantly posting stats to prove their point! :lamo
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And when they use them incorrectly, as in this case with the WSJ, I hope you point it out.
 
Catawba said:
Because the economy can't thrive when so few people have the resources to both consume and pay taxes. One day you will figure that out.
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Who is "consuming" the taxes? Not the rich. Maybe you need to take a second look at this.
 
Redress said:
And when they use them incorrectly, as in this case with the WSJ, I hope you point it out.
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How are you going to come in here and say the WSJ isn't using the statistics correctly when you don't have any at all? It is amazing that you would rather be wrong and f*** this country than to just be a big boy and admit you were wrong and learn something in the process.

It is a simple fact whether you look at percentages or actual dollar amounts that the rich paid more in taxes than anyone else. There is NOTHING out there that proves otherwise and anyone asking to tax the rich is either ignorant or suffering from some childish jealousy that some people just have more than you do. Grow up.
 
apdst said:
The economy can't thrive if the government holds all the cash, either.
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Smokified said:
Who is "consuming" the taxes? Not the rich. Maybe you need to take a second look at this.
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I agree we should cut our wasteful spending, and most of the waste has been in fighting optional wars, and a military that spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
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Conservative said:
thanks for the post, wonder if those that have been attacking me will pay attention to the IRS numbers and finally admit they are wrong?
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No they will find some way to try and claim that the IRS is wrong and that their idiot friend that heard somebody say something about a CNN story that somebody saw about how rich people are evil and don't pay any taxes is right.
 
Catawba said:
I agree we should cut our wasteful spending, and most of the waste has been in fighting optional wars, and a military that spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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That's the only spending that I've seen you suggest. Have you said anything abut half-billion that got flushed down the toilet by Solyndra? What about the pork packs that have been pissed away? Notta peep, eh?
 
Catawba said:
Because the economy can't thrive when so few people have the resources to both consume and pay taxes. One day you will figure that out.
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You have a distorted view of the economy. Explain to me how the rich took anything from the poor and why there is no responsibility for the poor for not raising themselves up in class. Do you think that Bill Gates started out rich? Why do you ignore the poor people that did become rich? You always want to blame someone else for the failure of others. That is liberalism.
 
Catawba said:
I agree we should cut our wasteful spending, and most of the waste has been in fighting optional wars, and a military that spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Show me some statistics that indicate that the war(s) cost more than the constant upkeep of entitlement programs.

As this report shows, means-tested welfare or aid to poor and low-income persons is now the third most expen*sive government function. Its cost ranks below support for the elderly through Social Security and Medicare and below government expenditures on education, but above spending on national defense. Prior to the current reces*sion, one dollar in seven in total federal, state, and local government spending went to means-tested welfare.
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Obama to Spend $10.3 Trillion on Welfare: Uncovering the Full Cost of Means-Tested Welfare or Aid to the Poor

Seems to me like the people who are not paying taxes are also the ones most responsible for consuming them.
 
Smokified said:
How are you going to come in here and say the WSJ isn't using the statistics correctly when you don't have any at all? It is amazing that you would rather be wrong and f*** this country than to just be a big boy and admit you were wrong and learn something in the process.

It is a simple fact whether you look at percentages or actual dollar amounts that the rich paid more in taxes than anyone else. There is NOTHING out there that proves otherwise and anyone asking to tax the rich is either ignorant or suffering from some childish jealousy that some people just have more than you do. Grow up.
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I don't think you are aware of my position on taxes. That does not change the fact that the WSJ numbers do not prove the case against this plan.

To quote my friend Turtledude(who is far more conservative on taxes than you): the rich are not monolithic. What they as a group pay is irrelevant to what each pays as an individual.
 
Redress said:
I don't think you are aware of my position on taxes. That does not change the fact that the WSJ numbers do not prove the case against this plan.

To quote my friend Turtledude(who is far more conservative on taxes than you): the rich are not monolithic. What they as a group pay is irrelevant to what each pays as an individual.
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I think you need to go back to pages 16-21 of this thread and see what Turtledude feels about my comments.

The WSJ numbers show that everyone who claims that the rich don't pay as much in taxes are wrong. That is a pretty major hit to the argument that we should tax the rich.
 
apdst said:
That's the only spending that I've seen you suggest. Have you said anything abut half-billion that got flushed down the toilet by Solyndra? What about the pork packs that have been pissed away? Notta peep, eh?
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I prioritize the spending that is most wasteful first. Solyndra is still in the investigation stage. No wrongdoing has been proven yet.
 
Catawba said:
I prioritize the spending that is most wasteful first. Solyndra is still in the investigation stage. No wrongdoing has been proven yet.
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500 million given in loans and the company went bankrupt? you say no wrong doing? Good Lord! Think the taxpayers are going to see any of that 500 million?
 
Catawba said:
I prioritize the spending that is most wasteful first. Solyndra is still in the investigation stage. No wrongdoing has been proven yet.
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Then you may want to read up on how Welfare, Medicare and Social Security are the 3 top most expensive government projects.
 
Smokified said:
I think you need to go back to pages 16-21 of this thread and see what Turtledude feels about my comments.

The WSJ numbers show that everyone who claims that the rich don't pay as much in taxes are wrong. That is a pretty major hit to the argument that we should tax the rich.
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Redress is indeed my friend though we often disagree. But Redress has opposed tax hikes in the current environment.
 
haymarket said:
But this is NOT about mere political correctness. It is about a very clear statement that the rich should fire anyone working for them who espouses ideas that are not in sync with their own. Such authoritarian tendencies would destroy ones freedoms under the Constitution.
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It's often times happened from the left. Or at least they've called for it.
 
Catawba said:
I prioritize the spending that is most wasteful first. Solyndra is still in the investigation stage. No wrongdoing has been proven yet.
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How about guilty of stupidity. We loaned a half billion to a company who built a product that cost $5 and sold for $3.25. The we will find out if they the way loan was structured with the government taking the loss before investors is in fact in contradiction to the law.
 
Conservative said:
How about the AP?

FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries? - Yahoo! News
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This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.
Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.
The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4 percent of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS.
Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9 percent in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3 percent

Obama is a lying prick is what the truth is
 
TurtleDude said:
This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.
Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.
The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4 percent of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS.
Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9 percent in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3 percent

Obama is a lying prick is what the truth is
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Truer words have never been spoken

Obama is a lying prick is what the truth is
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washunut said:
How about guilty of stupidity. We loaned a half billion to a company who built a product that cost $5 and sold for $3.25. The we will find out if they the way loan was structured with the government taking the loss before investors is in fact in contradiction to the law.
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Did you know the very, very, very conservative Walton family was involved with the Solyndra loan?
 
pbrauer said:
Did you know the very, very, very conservative Walton family was involved with the Solyndra loan?
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When was the loan approved, Pb? What was the Walton family involvement and when? Becareful now
 
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