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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Maybe we should all give it a rest and go back to blaming the REAL culprits...the Judean Peoples Front!. I mean...the Libertarians...

Personally, I blame the Pastafarians. The noodly appendages of their heavenly dish reach into every crack and crevice in D.C.
 
Maybe we should all give it a rest and go back to blaming the REAL culprits...the Judean Peoples Front!. I mean...the Libertarians...

I will like your post for the Life of Brian reference.

It can't be libertarians fault since no one has ever been dumb enough to actually give them any kind of power.
 
So Republicans supported the Stimulus plan? Republicans supported Obamacare? what exactly did the Republicans do since Obama took office that created the economy we have today?
The economy isnt just a bi-product of 'today'. Republican in the WH House and Senate all contributed. I support the war against the Taliban and the war to oust Hussein. I support the war and terror and have supported Obamas continued support of Bush policies to combat terrorism. Those dont come free or even cheap. There should have been steps taken back in 2002 to help pay for those wars. Both parties are on the hook for the housing crisis. Industry has been driven out of this country for decades. No one goes unscathed.
 
I will like your post for the Life of Brian reference.

It can't be libertarians fault since no one has ever been dumb enough to actually give them any kind of power.
And yet those people ARE foolish enough to keep sending in the GOP/Dem clowns...
 
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I don't see anyone blaming only Bush. He had a lot of help from Republicans and a little from Democrats.

Cat 1...got it...and everything is the democrats fault for all legislation passed in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. Good lord...put your helmet back on before you get hurt and your mother gets mad at all of us.
No, it appears you don't actually have it. Clinton, Bush, and Republicans pushed hard for increasing homeownership for those who could least afford them; I blame them for that. After interest rates were dropped to historic lows which opened the floodgates to toxic loans, it was the responsibility of the federal government to enforce oversight to protect the consumers from predatory lending. They failed to do that. For that, I blame Republicans who were in charge inb 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006. I blame Democrats for failing to do so in 2007 but by then, even oversight wouldn't have prevented the meltdown. The only ones pinning blame for all of that on Democrats is the irrational hyperventilating right.
 
The economy isnt just a bi-product of 'today'. Republican in the WH House and Senate all contributed. I support the war against the Taliban and the war to oust Hussein. I support the war and terror and have supported Obamas continued support of Bush policies to combat terrorism. Those dont come free or even cheap. There should have been steps taken back in 2002 to help pay for those wars. Both parties are on the hook for the housing crisis. Industry has been driven out of this country for decades. No one goes unscathed.

It really is a shame that we have the choices we have today but with the 24/7 media and close scrutiny of that media I don't understand why anyone would run for office. Why put your family through that?

We have a two party system in this country and until that changes we are left with choosing the party closest to your ideology. For me,who grew up a Democrat, that is the Republican Party because I always have been a Conservative.

I didn't vote for Obama nor will I vote for him in 2012 as after spending 35 years in the business world and seeing all kinds of resumes his didn't warrant the job he got. Obama has zero executive and leadership skils and his legislative record was poor at best yet the hope and change message fooled a lot of people. NY 9 seems to have figured it out as did the electorate in Nov. 2010.

The problem is however is he is building a dependent class that is going to go crazy if anyone takes over and puts fiscal responsibility back into the govt. Too many people today aren't paying any FIT and it isn't likely they are going to support anyone who tries to remedy that situation.

I don't think either party has the guts to do what is right but will continue to vote for the better of the two candidates and that seems to be the Republicans today. whether or not it will make a difference, I can only hope
 
I didn't vote for Obama nor will I vote for him in 2012 as after spending 35 years in the business world and seeing all kinds of resumes his didn't warrant the job he got. Obama has zero executive and leadership skils and his legislative record was poor at best yet the hope and change message fooled a lot of people.
What executive experience did Lincoln, Kennedy or Truman have have? And then you have examples like Bush, who had plenty of executive experience and still ran the country into the ground.

NY 9 seems to have figured it out as did the electorate in Nov. 2010.
Still pretending you speak for others, huh?
 
No, it appears you don't actually have it. Clinton, Bush, and Republicans pushed hard for increasing homeownership for those who could least afford them; I blame them for that. After interest rates were dropped to historic lows which opened the floodgates to toxic loans, it was the responsibility of the federal government to enforce oversight to protect the consumers from predatory lending. They failed to do that. For that, I blame Republicans who were in charge inb 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006. I blame Democrats for failing to do so in 2007 but by then, even oversight wouldn't have prevented the meltdown. The only ones pinning blame for all of that on Democrats is the irrational hyperventilating right.
Post 880 aside you mean...right?

The housing crisis extends well into the 90s. That you and people like you conveniently ignore Dems like Barney Frank and their role and also the PEOPLE that foolishly put themselves into those situations and instead CONTINUE to fixate on a group of republicans...yeah...you. Put your hat back on and get comfy in it.
 
It really is a shame that we have the choices we have today but with the 24/7 media and close scrutiny of that media I don't understand why anyone would run for office. Why put your family through that?

We have a two party system in this country and until that changes we are left with choosing the party closest to your ideology. For me,who grew up a Democrat, that is the Republican Party because I always have been a Conservative.

I didn't vote for Obama nor will I vote for him in 2012 as after spending 35 years in the business world and seeing all kinds of resumes his didn't warrant the job he got. Obama has zero executive and leadership skils and his legislative record was poor at best yet the hope and change message fooled a lot of people. NY 9 seems to have figured it out as did the electorate in Nov. 2010.

The problem is however is he is building a dependent class that is going to go crazy if anyone takes over and puts fiscal responsibility back into the govt. Too many people today aren't paying any FIT and it isn't likely they are going to support anyone who tries to remedy that situation.

I don't think either party has the guts to do what is right but will continue to vote for the better of the two candidates and that seems to be the Republicans today. whether or not it will make a difference, I can only hope
The Greens scared the hell out of the dems and and got their attention. The Libertarians and now the Tea Party has shook up the GOP. If enough people stopped complaining about what the government ISNT doing for them and instead insisted on responsible government we would HAVE better choices.
 
Post 880 aside you mean...right?

The housing crisis extends well into the 90s. That you and people like you conveniently ignore Dems like Barney Frank and their role and also the PEOPLE that foolishly put themselves into those situations and instead CONTINUE to fixate on a group of republicans...yeah...you. Put your hat back on and get comfy in it.

I would love for someone to explain predatory lending to me. Only in the liberal world is there no such thing as personal responsibility. I don't recall anyone holding a gun to someone else's head forcing them to sign on to those mortgages. correct me where I am wrong? I do recall Barney Frank however claiming that there was nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie.
 
The Greens scared the hell out of the dems and and got their attention. The Libertarians and now the Tea Party has shook up the GOP. If enough people stopped complaining about what the government ISNT doing for them and instead insisted on responsible government we would HAVE better choices.

that is the point, people lose site of their own personal responsibility and expect the govt. to do things for them it was never created to do. I support the limited govt. intent of our Founders and power back at the state level where it belongs except on national security issues. Much of the state budget is duplicated at the Federal Level and that says it all. The question is why?
 
I would love for someone to explain predatory lending to me. Only in the liberal world is there no such thing as personal responsibility. I don't recall anyone holding a gun to someone else's head forcing them to sign on to those mortgages. correct me where I am wrong? I do recall Barney Frank however claiming that there was nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie.

I remember President Bush claiming he wanted Fannie and Freddie to give 100% mortgages to low income people.
 
Post 880 aside you mean...right?

That you and people like you conveniently ignore Dems like Barney Frank and their role and also the PEOPLE that foolishly put themselves into those situations and instead CONTINUE to fixate on a group of republicans...yeah...you. Put your hat back on and get comfy in it.
What the hell are you talking about?? Do you even know? Barney Frank was in the minority party until 2007; how do you blame him?? Not to mention, as soon as he became a member of the majority party in 2007, he sponsored a bill with oversight and pushed it through the House, where it passed even though most Republicans voted against it. How do blame Frank?

Face it, Republicans dropped the ball.
 
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I remember President Bush claiming he wanted Fannie and Freddie to give 100% mortgages to low income people.

Wanting to so something doesn't take away the personal responsibility of someone taking the loan. whether someone makes a 100% loan or not doesn't mean the lending institution ignores the ability of that borrower to pay.
 
Seems Obama not strongly supporting israel has come back to haunt him....the orthodox jews which have a huge community in this district voted for the GOP.
This does not bode well for Obama...if the jews abandon him...they are some of his staunchest supporters and donors. I am ALL FOR total support of Israel.

Republican wins Democratic New York House seat - The Washington Post



Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s Ninth Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.


I don't really think they'd make their decision based on Obama's statements on Israel. I think they'd listen to the person actually running and their views on Israel.
 
Wanting to so something doesn't take away the personal responsibility of someone taking the loan. whether someone makes a 100% loan or not doesn't mean the lending institution ignores the ability of that borrower to pay.
That's bull****. If someone is told they qualify for a loan, why would they think they don't qualify? The lenders are to blame. I bet you blame women who get raped for getting raped, huh?
 
What the hell are you talking about?? Do you even know? Barney Frank was in the minority party until 2007; how do you blame him?? Not to mention, as soon as he became a member of the majority party in 2007, he sponsored a bill with oversight and pushed it through the House, where it passed even though most Republicans voted against it. How do blame Frank?

Face it, Republicans dropped the ball.
Face it...you are more Pete than Pete. Kinda surprising...but...there it is...
 
Wanting to so something doesn't take away the personal responsibility of someone taking the loan. whether someone makes a 100% loan or not doesn't mean the lending institution ignores the ability of that borrower to pay.
What if the lending institution inflates the real value of the home being purchased or value of a home in second mortgage situation? Would you say in that case this was a predatory loan situation? Further, lending institution sells the 'paper' to an investment bank who bundles them together and turns them into securities which eventually rated by a rating firm such as S&P as AAA.
 
Face it...you are more Pete than Pete. Kinda surprising...but...there it is...
What does that even mean other than you're using it like a crutch to avoid addressing what I said.

You're blaming a member of the minority party for not passing oversight who sponsored a bill with oversight as soon as his party took control of the House.
 
That is an ad hominem attack on Professor Dershowitz which indicates you hate him because of his politics. It says nothing about his arguments which remain intact.

He is a hack because he ignores the huge irregularities perpetrated by

1) the dem party as they extended the contest period and shortened the protest period

2) the dem party trying to change the rules in Florida in contravention of what the legislature had decreed

3) the Dem dominated supreme court of florida that overruled 7 different trial courts

4) His arguments are essentially that the USSC should have ignored the obvious errors of the SCOFLA(w)
 
What if the lending institution inflates the real value of the home being purchased or value of a home in second mortgage situation? Would you say in that case this was a predatory loan situation? Further, lending institution sells the 'paper' to an investment bank who bundles them together and turns them into securities which eventually rated by a rating firm such as S&P as AAA.

When you bought your home did you read the contract? Did you know what your payments were going to be? Second mortgages didn't cause this problem and you know it but the same principle applies, why would anyone sign on to a loan that they couldn't pay? I understand the lending insitution but to blame them is ridiculous. Individual responsibility doesn't exist in your world, does it?
 
When you bought your home did you read the contract? Did you know what your payments were going to be? Second mortgages didn't cause this problem and you know it but the same principle applies, why would anyone sign on to a loan that they couldn't pay? I understand the lending insitution but to blame them is ridiculous. Individual responsibility doesn't exist in your world, does it?
Please post evidence that people were taking out loans they knews they couldn't pay? Looks to me like you're making **** up again.
 
When you bought your home did you read the contract? Did you know what your payments were going to be? Second mortgages didn't cause this problem and you know it but the same principle applies, why would anyone sign on to a loan that they couldn't pay? I understand the lending insitution but to blame them is ridiculous. Individual responsibility doesn't exist in your world, does it?

You do realize legally financial corporations are regarded as individuals.
 
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