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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Ronald Reagan had a sign on his desk saying "The Buck Stops Here." Meaning the decisions were his, and he took responsibility. Apparently the sign on Bush's desk read "The Buck Stops Down the Street with Harry."

Bush could have vetoed anything that Congress passed. It doesn't become law without the President's signature unless Congress overrides the veto. How many of these economy ruining bills did Bush veto?
And you must HATE Obama for that same thing, right?
 
That too is a strawaman ... how many "economy ruining bills" did Democrats even give to Bush to sign?

Answer: zero
You mean they DIDNT run the house and senate in 2007 and 2008? Or were those all GOOD bills?

Democrats and republicans both have screwed this country up and still do. This whiny its their fault...no its THEIR fault bull**** is pathetic. Its BOTH of their fault. Right now it is President Obama and congresses fault. And hey...if they arent up to the job...lets just kick them all out and start fresh.
 
How dare he support Bush's legislation? Is that your outrage? Democrats had the temerity to support Bush's idea?

Come on. Your position here is that Bush's stewardship of the economy was flawless, and it was all because of the Democrats. Your example is that they supported Bush's legislation??

No, my position is that you have a bad case of BDS and ignore what is going on right now. Bush was hardly flawless but he didn't create the mess we have today and honest people know that. It is total and complete bs to ignore reality and history. Democrats controlled the Congress thus the budget and legislative process from 2007-2011 yet for some reason Bush was a king and caused all the problems but Obama had nothing to do with 2007-2008 or 2009-2011? What is frustrating, you don't have the intellectual honesty to admit it.
 
You mean they DIDNT run the house and senate in 2007 and 2008? Or were those all GOOD bills?

Democrats and republicans both have screwed this country up and still do. This whiny its their fault...no its THEIR fault bull**** is pathetic. Its BOTH of their fault. Right now it is President Obama and congresses fault. And hey...if they arent up to the job...lets just kick them all out and start fresh.

The time has come for term limits, IMO. States have it, so why not the Federal Govt?
 
Bush was hardly flawless but he didn't create the mess we have today and honest people know that.
The **** he didn't.


"Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech
 
The time has come for term limits, IMO. States have it, so why not the Federal Govt?
Im not so much in favor of term limits as I am restoring the constitutional powers to the states. If we diodnt have such a massive fed there would be less investment in being a career federal politician. The taxes would be raised by each state appropriately and spent more efficiently.

Id also like to see the House terms changed to 4 years. They are constantly in campaign mode.
 
Ronald Reagan had a sign on his desk saying "The Buck Stops Here." Meaning the decisions were his, and he took responsibility. Apparently the sign on Bush's desk read "The Buck Stops Down the Street with Harry."

Bush could have vetoed anything that Congress passed. It doesn't become law without the President's signature unless Congress overrides the veto. How many of these economy ruining bills did Bush veto?

Sorry that was Harry Truman with the sign, not by
Ronald Reagan. :roll:
 
Im not so much in favor of term limits as I am restoring the constitutional powers to the states. If we diodnt have such a massive fed there would be less investment in being a career federal politician. The taxes would be raised by each state appropriately and spent more efficiently.

Id also like to see the House terms changed to 4 years. They are constantly in campaign mode.

Good point on the four years for Congressional Terms and I agree about returning power to the states. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen as long as the leftwing ideologues are in charge. The more dependence they create the less liklihood of that ever happening.
 
No, my position is that you have a bad case of BDS and ignore what is going on right now. Bush was hardly flawless but he didn't create the mess we have today and honest people know that. It is total and complete bs to ignore reality and history. Democrats controlled the Congress thus the budget and legislative process from 2007-2011 yet for some reason Bush was a king and caused all the problems but Obama had nothing to do with 2007-2008 or 2009-2011? What is frustrating, you don't have the intellectual honesty to admit it.
Create? No...he didnt create the mess but he certainly bears his share of responsibility. Anyone that thinks Bush is at fault is an idiot or they have absolutely zero understanding of the federal government, powers, duties, etc. I would bet on the first option...anyone that believes it is all Bush's fault is a myopic ideological idiot, just like anyone that believes it is Obamas fault is equally a moron.
 
Create? No...he didnt create the mess but he certainly bears his share of responsibility. Anyone that thinks Bush is at fault is an idiot or they have absolutely zero understanding of the federal government, powers, duties, etc. I would bet on the first option...anyone that believes it is all Bush's fault is a myopic ideological idiot, just like anyone that believes it is Obamas fault is equally a moron.

There definitely are a lot of those with the "first option" who simply cannot admit it. There are three equal branches of govt. for a reason but many here don't seem to understand that.
 
Good point on the four years for Congressional Terms and I agree about returning power to the states. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen as long as the leftwing ideologues are in charge. The more dependence they create the less liklihood of that ever happening.
This is just insanity speaking. How on Earth is that due to "leftwing ideologues" since Bush and Republicans congrolled the government for years and did nothing about it? You probably balme Democrats when it rains too, huh?
 
No, my position is that you have a bad case of BDS and ignore what is going on right now. Bush was hardly flawless but he didn't create the mess we have today and honest people know that. It is total and complete bs to ignore reality and history. Democrats controlled the Congress thus the budget and legislative process from 2007-2011 yet for some reason Bush was a king and caused all the problems but Obama had nothing to do with 2007-2008 or 2009-2011? What is frustrating, you don't have the intellectual honesty to admit it.

I said we've had two failures in a row. Waiting for you to show me that Bush had no responsibility....
 
Create? No...he didnt create the mess but he certainly bears his share of responsibility. Anyone that thinks Bush is at fault is an idiot or they have absolutely zero understanding of the federal government, powers, duties, etc. I would bet on the first option...anyone that believes it is all Bush's fault is a myopic ideological idiot, just like anyone that believes it is Obamas fault is equally a moron.
I don't see anyone blaming only Bush. He had a lot of help from Republicans and a little from Democrats.
 
Create? No...he didnt create the mess but he certainly bears his share of responsibility. Anyone that thinks Bush is at fault is an idiot or they have absolutely zero understanding of the federal government, powers, duties, etc. I would bet on the first option...anyone that believes it is all Bush's fault is a myopic ideological idiot, just like anyone that believes it is Obamas fault is equally a moron.

I agree. It's not all Bush's fault. It's not all the Democrats' fault either. Just like now -- some Obama, some GOP.
 
Why do you think it is the Federal Government's role thus the Federal Taxpayer to fund healthcare for all Americans? What does the Federal Govt. know about the healthcare issues in your local community. Healthcare is a state and local issue plus personal responsibility.

Where did I say or even suggest any of that? I can't tell if you're talking to me, or some delusion that you've given my name to.

That is what turned people against him including those in NY 9.

For all I know, Obama's failures may well have turned the residents of NY-9 against him -- but that's not what turned them against the idiot who ran for the privilege of representing them in the House.
 
I said we've had two failures in a row. Waiting for you to show me that Bush had no responsibility....

Never said Bush didn't have any responsibility but you have to get over your BDS. What exactly did the Democrat controlled Congress do after taking office in January 2007. They had the budget responsibility in 2008 and the legislative responsibility from January 2007 on. Looks to me like they wanted the WH worse than they wanted to do anything to benefit the economy.
 
I agree. It's not all Bush's fault. It's not all the Democrats' fault either. Just like now -- some Obama, some GOP.

So Republicans supported the Stimulus plan? Republicans supported Obamacare? what exactly did the Republicans do since Obama took office that created the economy we have today?
 
I don't see anyone blaming only Bush. He had a lot of help from Republicans and a little from Democrats.
Cat 1...got it...and everything is the democrats fault for all legislation passed in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. Good lord...put your helmet back on before you get hurt and your mother gets mad at all of us.
 
I agree. It's not all Bush's fault. It's not all the Democrats' fault either. Just like now -- some Obama, some GOP.
Couldnt agree more. I blame Bush for what he had control over. Left the GOP because of their role in this mess. Cant for the life of me see how ANYONE struts with their chest out proud of either party.
 
Hey look, same people, same arguments. It doesn't matter what the actual topic of the thread(hint), it comes back to the exact same arguments from the same people and most of the forum avoiding the thread.
 
So Republicans supported the Stimulus plan? Republicans supported Obamacare? what exactly did the Republicans do since Obama took office that created the economy we have today?

What have they done to fix it?
 
Uh, Con? He just called you a moron....
Anyone that wears the pointy hat should wear it. And then read a little on civics, the fed govt, and everyones roles. Peoples blind defense of ideology and party are as responsible for the mess we are in as are the elected officials from both party.
 
Hey look, same people, same arguments. It doesn't matter what the actual topic of the thread(hint), it comes back to the exact same arguments from the same people and most of the forum avoiding the thread.
Maybe we should all give it a rest and go back to blaming the REAL culprits...the Judean Peoples Front!. I mean...the Libertarians...
 
What have they done to fix it?

Right, they took over the house in 2011, proposed the Ryan Budget bill, the proposed cut, cap, and balance. Where are those bills today? Democrats control the Senate and the WH but if NY 9 is any indication that will change in 2012, then you can blame the Republicans
 
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