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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Conservative said:
The candidate himself even believes it was a referendum on Obama but I guess Thunder knows best.
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He came to this race out of the New York state legislature, where the re-election rates are obscenely high, in a district that he could easily have won if he just paid attention to what he was doing. He ran his race like he shouldn't have had to work in order to win the election, and he lost because of that and because of positions he took while in the state legislature.

That he is describing his loss as a referendum proves only that he is a tool who can't admit that he lost on his own merits.

I guess it's easier to say that the guy who actually lives there doesn't know what he's talking about than it is to admit that you might've been wrong.
 
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Conservative said:
The candidate himself even believes it was a referendum on Obama but I guess Thunder knows best.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...m-on-obama-i-was-the-unfortunate-consequence/
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and this was the unpatriotic accomplishment of Turner, former Mayor Ed Koch, and Councilman Dov Hikind. Traitors all.

if Weprin REALLY wanted to win, he would have quickly squashed this unpatriotic and unAmerican idea of turning the election into a referendum on Obama's foreign policy.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
He came to this race out of the New York state legislature, where the re-election rates are obscenely high, and he ran a race in a district that he could easily have won if he just paid attention to what he was doing. He ran his race like he shouldn't have had to work in order to win the election, and he lost because of that and because of positions he took while in the state legislature.

That he is describing his loss as a referendum proves only that the candidate is a tool who can't admit that he lost on his own merits.
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Think about it, why would any Obama supporter admit what most of us know, that NY 9 was a referendum on Obama. Liberal cult followers are still enamored t with the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results. Seems quotes from Democrat Politicians also admit that Obama is in trouble, but if you are a true believer an Obama supporter will never admit that.
 
Conservative said:
I would have thought that Pb would have heard about DeFazio's statement as Oregon isn't that big. My bet is Pb didn't want to hear it thus didn't. It is amazing what loyalty some here have for Obama, almost like it is an act
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Peter DeFazio is one of the most progressive members of Congress, it's not hard to understand why he's upset with President Obama. As I've mentioned before, he's one Obama's biggest critics.
 
Thunder said:
and this was the unpatriotic accomplishment of Turner, former Mayor Ed Koch, and Councilman Dov Hikind. Traitors all.

if Weprin REALLY wanted to win, he would have quickly squashed this unpatriotic and unAmerican idea of turning the election into a referendum on Obama's foreign policy.
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Unpatriotic and un American? Now those are words I have heard used to define Obama. What exactly has Obama done that benefits the Jewish community and their love for Israel? Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the Mideast.
 
Conservative said:
Think about it, why would any Obama supporter admit what most of us know, that NY 9 was a referendum on Obama.
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I'm not an Obama supporter. I've stated that on several occasions on this very forum, and have taken issue with him on a number of occasions. I'm not a leftie, a libbo, a left-winger or a Democrat.

You can keep repeating your mantra about it being a referendum over and over and over, but that doesn't make it true, and it's no substitute for an actual refutation of anything I've said about the race.

Are you going to actually contradict anything I've said with facts, or are you going to stick to rhetoric?
 
pbrauer said:
Peter DeFazio is one of the most progressive members of Congress, it's not hard to understand why he's upset with President Obama. As I've mentioned before, he's one Obama's biggest critics.
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And the rest?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I'm not an Obama supporter. I've stated that on several occasions on this very forum, and have taken issue with him on a number of occasions. I'm not a leftie, a libbo, a left-winger or a Democrat.

You can keep repeating your mantra about it being a referendum over and over and over, but that doesn't make it true, and it's no substitute for an actual refutation of anything I've said about the race.

Are you going to actually contradict anything I've said with facts, or are you going to stick to rhetoric?
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I posted the Democrat candidate's own words, other quotes of politicians have been posted. What more do you want? There are 23 Democrat Senators on the ballot in 2012, how do you think they feel after this election and do you believe they think it is local?

Comments from the District

Those district demographics customarily spell victory for a Democrat, but in a smattering of interviews on the day after the election, former Obama supporters gave voice to their changed feelings.

"Unfortunately the Democrats have let us down lately," said Anne Lenihan, 65, of Queens, who said she supported the president in 2008. "I'm disappointed in the Democrats and we need change."

"In 2008 I voted for Obama, and I made a big mistake then," said Kelly Redmond, 47, who cited the economy and the president's policy toward Israel as reasons for supporting Turner.

Concerns that surfaced in the race included an administration policy in the Mideast that some Jews find not sufficiently supportive of Israel. Obama's urging of Israel to halt housing settlements in the West Bank has been a point of controversy in the district. Also, Weprin drew criticism for his vote in the New York Assembly in favor of a measure legalizing gay marriage, legislation generally unpopular with Orthodox Jews.
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Conservative said:
Unpatriotic and un American? Now those are words I have heard used to define Obama...
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Congressional elections should be about national and local politics. Providing for the needs of the district electorate. NOT international affairs.

Turning a local election into solely a referendum on national foreign policy is unAmerican and unpatriotic.

Ed Koch, Dov Hikind, and Bob Turner should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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Conservative said:
I posted the Democrat candidate's own words
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After which I explained that of course that's his position, because then he doesn't have to accept responsibility for his sub-standard campaigning. Why aren't you laughing at the so-called liberal propensity for blaming others? Oh, that's right, because it suits your purposes to convienantly forget that trite cat-call.

For that matter, you're taking the words of the mainstream media as gospel when normally you'd be skeptical with their perspective. Must be because that serves your purpose, too.

Too bad your purpose isn't the truth.
 
Conservative said:
Unpatriotic and un American? Now those are words I have heard used to define Obama. What exactly has Obama done that benefits the Jewish community and their love for Israel? Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the Mideast.
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Um, what should President Obama have done that "benefits the Jewish community and their love for Israel?"
 
Thunder said:
Congressional elections should be about national and local politics. Providing for the needs of the district electorate. NOT international affairs.

Turning a local election into solely a referendum on national foreign policy is unAmerican and unpatriotic.

Ed Koch, Dov Hikind, and Bob Turner should be ashamed of themselves.
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Really? Is that what you learned the role of the Federal Govt. was, to provide for your District? Suggest going back and getting a civics lesson. Congress shouldn't be about bringing home the bacon but instead should be about doing what is right for the country. Your local community govt. has civic responsibilities.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
After which I explained that of course that's his position, because then he doesn't have to accept responsibility for his sub-standard campaigning. Why aren't you laughing at the so-called liberal propensity for blaming others? Oh, that's right, because it suits your purposes to convienantly forget that trite cat-call.

For that matter, you're taking the words of the mainstream media as gospel when normally you'd be skeptical with their perspective. Must be because that serves your purpose, too.

Too bad your purpose isn't the truth.
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LOL, my posts are the truth, but a true Obama supporter is never going to admit that "their" President is in trouble. For some reason they just cannot admit it. Too many people like Thunder believe it is the Federal Government's role to provide for local needs instead of Federal Govt. responsibility to provide for national needs like security and defense. Congressional races should always be about national issues but liberals have brainwashed so many into believing it is about "bringing home the bacon."
 
Conservative said:
..Too many people like Thunder believe it is the Federal Government's role to provide for local needs instead of Federal Govt. responsibility to provide for national needs like security and defense...
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do me a favor and do not lie about my beliefs. The Federal govt. has the responsibility to provide for local AND national needs.

however, turning a local election PURELY into a referendum on national foreign policy, is unpatriotic and unAmerican.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, my posts are the truth, but a true Obama supporter is never going to admit that "their" President is in trouble. For some reason they just cannot admit it. Too many people like Thunder believe it is the Federal Government's role to provide for local needs instead of Federal Govt. responsibility to provide for national needs like security and defense. Congressional races should always be about national issues but liberals have brainwashed so many into believing it is about "bringing home the bacon."
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LOL, my posts are the truth, but a mindless Republican waterboy is never going to admit that this wasn't about the President being in trouble. For some reason, they just cannot see the hypocrisy in taking the media's word for it this time, when every other time they whine and moan about how the media can't be trusted to report the truth. Congressional races should always be about the district, but Conservative would like us to believe it's all about referendums.
 
Thunder said:
do me a favor and do not lie about my beliefs. The Federal govt. has the responsibility to provide for local AND national needs.

however, turning a local election PURELY into a referendum on national foreign policy, is unpatriotic and unAmerican.
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Do you pay local and state taxes? If so what for? It isn't the Federal Government's role to provide for your local needs unless it relates to defense and natural disasters. Show me in the U.S. Consititution that requirement?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
LOL, my posts are the truth, but a mindless Republican waterboy is never going to admit that this wasn't about the President being in trouble. For some reason, they just cannot see the hypocrisy in taking the media's word for it this time, when every other time they whine and moan about how the media can't be trusted to report the truth. Congressional races should always be about the district, but Conservative would like us to believe it's all about referendums.
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Why wouldn't it be about Obama? 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans, declining labor force, 4 trillion added to the debt, increasing misery index, lack of leadership in the world, meager economic growth, and turning our backs on our best ally in the Middle East!
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
LOL, my posts are the truth, but a mindless Republican waterboy is never going to admit that this wasn't about the President being in trouble. For some reason, they just cannot see the hypocrisy in taking the media's word for it this time, when every other time they whine and moan about how the media can't be trusted to report the truth. Congressional races should always be about the district, but Conservative would like us to believe it's all about referendums.
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If you understood NY9, then you would not be saying there was a local issue here. This is a district that is conditioned to just pull the D level without a thought. Many years there isn't even a Republican opponent there.
 
Conservative said:
Why wouldn't it be about Obama? 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans, declining labor force, 4 trillion added to the debt, increasing misery index, lack of leadership in the world, meager economic growth, and turning our backs on our best ally in the Middle East!
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Because we're talking about a state assemblyman who had no official track record with Obama, who took stands on local and moral issues that didn't sit well with the local electorate, who obviously had no idea how to run a campaign against a living breathing opponent, and who couldn't be bothered to actually court the people whose vote he wanted. If you make it about anything other than a moron who expected to win simply because of the "D" next to his name, you're making more out of it than there is.
 
washunut said:
If you understood NY9, then you would not be saying there was a local issue here. This is a district that is conditioned to just pull the D level without a thought. Many years there isn't even a Republican opponent there.
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I'm quite familiar with New York politics, and I've done a lot of reading on this particular election. I'm not doing what Conservative is doing -- blindly assigning meaning that doesn't exist.
 
washunut said:
Why did you let this pbrauer person use his anti- Jewish invective spew without comment?

Funny how the hard left can be racist and no one call even bothers to call them out on it?
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Either make your case or apologize washunut.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Because we're talking about a state assemblyman who had no official track record with Obama, who took stands on local and moral issues that didn't sit well with the local electorate, who obviously had no idea how to run a campaign against a living breathing opponent, and who couldn't be bothered to actually court the people whose vote he wanted. If you make it about anything other than a moron who expected to win simply because of the "D" next to his name, you're making more out of it than there is.
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But it is about someone that would go to Washington to help advance the obama agenda and the people of NY 9 said NO. Whether or not he ran a good campaign is irrelevant as Obama made it tough on him for it was the Obama record that was part of the debate and those that continue to support that record are going to lose big in 2012 including the 23 democrat Senators on the ballot.
 
Conservative said:
But it is about someone that would go to Washington to help advance the obama agenda and the people of NY 9 said NO. Whether or not he ran a good campaign is irrelevant as Obama made it tough on him for it was the Obama record that was part of the debate and those that continue to support that record are going to lose big in 2012 including the 23 democrat Senators on the ballot.
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I like how you're so naively right-wing that it's all about Obama, and nothing to do with Park 51 or gay marriage or not knowing how to campaign or offending people whose support he needed to ensure victory.

In other words, I like how you think it's all about Obama and nothing to do with reality.

I also like how part of your argument for the truth of this unreality is that the media agrees with you. Well, if the media's got the right idea, Conservative, then I'm assuming you won't write this off as left-wing media bias:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...-obama-economy-over-republicans-congress.html
 
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