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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Conservative said:
That is your opinion but the reality is mathematically a third party doesn't have a chance and the country will continue to elect people like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

Your approach is very naive and the result of youth, sorry. My 65 years of age says differently.
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and your support for a failure like GWB speaks volumes.....
 
Ikari said:
I didn't ignore it, in fact I addressed it fully. And AGAIN, I do get involved in many election cycles at the local and state level. If you want to be taken seriously, stop being intellectually dishonest.
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Just curious, did you happen to ignore this discussion?

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That is because we hold closer to classical liberalism of the forefathers. We emphasize liberty and freedom over all else.
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Sorry, but that is not true. If you want to hold a discussion on this we can start a new thread to cover it. The Founders were far closer to conservatives of today than today's libertarians.
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LesGovt said:
Just curious, did you happen to ignore this discussion?
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Your free to make whatever thread you wish. I never said differently.
 
Ikari said:
Your free to make whatever thread you wish. I never said differently.
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Okay, so you did ignore it. You never responded to it so how could you say differently?
 
LesGovt said:
Okay, so you did ignore it. You never responded to it so how could you say differently?
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You said you could make a thread for the discussion. Go ahead, I didn't say not to. It's not the topic of this thread though.
 
Ikari said:
You said you could make a thread for the discussion. Go ahead, I didn't say not to. It's not the topic of this thread though.
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Of course it doesn't belong here. That's why I made the suggestion of starting a thread. You could have responded, but you ignored. I probably need to learn to ignore people who are disingenuous. Bye.
 
LesGovt said:
Of course it doesn't belong here. That's why I made the suggestion of starting a thread. You could have responded, but you ignored. I probably need to learn to ignore people who are disingenuous. Bye.
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I could have responded, but as you said it doesn't belong here. Why derail the thread on your little aside? Go make the thread. Now you have the standard attack/run away tactic. Insult me and then run off. That's fine too. Do as you like. But I never said not to make the thread, it's just not part of THIS topic.
 
Ikari said:
I could have responded, but as you said it doesn't belong here. Why derail the thread on your little aside? Go make the thread. Now you have the standard attack/run away tactic. Insult me and then run off. That's fine too. Do as you like. But I never said not to make the thread, it's just not part of THIS topic.
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More disingenuousness. Here is what I responded to:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/108416-republican-wins-democratic-new-york-house-seat-39.html#post1059797696

The subject was already off the topic of this thread. I offered you the opportunity to prove your comment, but you just ignored it. Now you say that I was off topic when all I did was suggest that we start a new thread on the specific topic that you raised on this thread. You really are disingenuous and that is why I thought I wanted no further contact with you. However, if you think that is running away, I'll stay. I'll just continue to challenge you on your false statements. Have a nice day!
 
LesGovt said:
Here are my exact words:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/108416-republican-wins-democratic-new-york-house-seat-39.html#post1059797775

"If you want to hold a discussion on this we can start a new thread to cover it."

"If you want"

"...we can start a new thread..."

And the disingenuousness on your part continues.
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And, by the way, all you had to say was, "No thanks. I don't want to take the time to do the research to prove my point." That would not have been disingenuous.
 
LesGovt said:
Here are my exact words:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/108416-republican-wins-democratic-new-york-house-seat-39.html#post1059797775

"If you want to hold a discussion on this we can start a new thread to cover it."

"If you want"

"...we can start a new thread..."

And the disingenuousness on your part continues.
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Are you seriously arguing about creating a thread for another topic. Create the thread or not but please stop the derailment.


On topic, it will be interesting to see how this new person votes. To see whether the right was duped again into thinking this will be different. Seems the right is doing their own "hope and change" lol
 
disneydude said:
LOL Con....its always funny to see you run from your failed hero's record. GWB is absolutely responsible for bankrupting this country. Obama is absolutely responsible for not being successful in rebuilding the economy. I fault Obama and congress for that....you, on the otherhand continue to think that GWB was a genius....how telling.
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How did Bush alone bankrupt the country? Have you taken a civics class? Congress controls the money and since 2007 over 5 trillion has been added to the debt so who added that debt? You want to blame Bush but civics says you are wrong. Argue with civics.
 
disneydude said:
and your support for a failure like GWB speaks volumes.....
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Bush is out of office yet 2 1/2 years into the Obama years he is still responsible? That is what is wrong with liberals no concept of civics, no concept of leadership, and no concept of how our economy works.
 
Conservative said:
Bush is out of office yet 2 1/2 years into the Obama years he is still responsible? That is what is wrong with liberals no concept of civics, no concept of leadership, and no concept of how our economy works.
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How long did y'all blame Clinton when Bush was in office? It was well more than 2 1/2 years. Same ****, different name.
 
Conservative said:
Bush is out of office yet 2 1/2 years into the Obama years he is still responsible? That is what is wrong with liberals no concept of civics, no concept of leadership, and no concept of how our economy works.
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Yes Bush is partly to blame. Just as Obama, Clinton, Bush I and down the line.

The effects and debt of past presidents policies and decisions don't just stop when a new president takes office. There is plenty of blame to go around. The healthcare bill and bailouts are on Obama to be sure, but the debt we currently have is not from just 1 president.

Bush could have vetoed spending but he didn't as well as Obama could.

This is the result of your two party system, enjoy it. It's not changing.
 
Ikari said:
How long did y'all blame Clinton when Bush was in office? It was well more than 2 1/2 years. Same ****, different name.
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Blame Clinton for what? Clinton supporters claim that Bush inherited a strong economy and a surplus so what was there to blame him for?
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes Bush is partly to blame. Just as Obama, Clinton, Bush I and down the line.

The effects and debt of past presidents policies and decisions don't just stop when a new president takes office. There is plenty of blame to go around. The healthcare bill and bailouts are on Obama to be sure, but the debt we currently have is not from just 1 president.

Bush could have vetoed spending but he didn't as well as Obama could.

This is the result of your two party system, enjoy it. It's not changing.
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It is what it is, you either work from within or work hard to change it, what are you doing to change it? What office have you run for to change the politics?
 
Conservative said:
Blame Clinton for what? Clinton supporters claim that Bush inherited a strong economy and a surplus so what was there to blame him for?
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So during Bush's Presidency, no one blamed the say economy or wars or anything of the sort on Clinton? Not at all? I mean, you were alive then, your experience and wisdom should be able to guide us all to the light of truth. But in case it doesn't, here's John Stewart.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame[/video]
 
Conservative said:
It is what it is, you either work from within or work hard to change it, what are you doing to change it? What office have you run for to change the politics?
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If you think "it is what it is" then stop whining about the debt because that is what the two-party system gives. What have you done to prevent spending? You have voted for people that continually spend. So maybe before you worry about what I'm doing, you should worry about what your doing to continue the spending cycle.

How does doing the same thing over and over again voting for candidates that overspend with the same result of overspending solve the problem of spending? Answer is, it doesn't.
 
TheNextEra said:
Are you seriously arguing about creating a thread for another topic. Create the thread or not but please stop the derailment.
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I was serious since the person had made a totally off topic comment. I was trying to keep this discussion on topic. But, I'm sure that you think that what Bush people said about Clinton is on topic. Pshaw!
 
Ikari said:
So during Bush's Presidency, no one blamed the say economy or wars or anything of the sort on Clinton? Not at all? I mean, you were alive then, your experience and wisdom should be able to guide us all to the light of truth. But in case it doesn't, here's John Stewart.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame[/video]
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I blamed Clinton supporters for their lies about the surplus and gave Clinton total credit for implementing an economic policy that gave total control of the Congress to the Republicans and then for signing GOP Budgets giving him less than he wanted.
 
TheNextEra said:
If you think "it is what it is" then stop whining about the debt because that is what the two-party system gives. What have you done to prevent spending? You have voted for people that continually spend. So maybe before you worry about what I'm doing, you should worry about what your doing to continue the spending cycle.

How does doing the same thing over and over again voting for candidates that overspend with the same result of overspending solve the problem of spending? Answer is, it doesn't.
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How have you made a difference? What office have you run for to change the direction of this country?
 
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