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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

Ikari said:
So? You didn't answer anything at all. You just say this is a "referendum on Obama". I say bull****. You have ONE data point, you can't say anything definitive about the system yet. This is just what you WANT to be true, not something that is necessarily true. It could be the first in a Democrat expulsion (though we'll be in no better place, the Republicans will just take over and those two parties are essentially the same thing), it could be the first in an incumbent expulsion. You don't know. You can't say anything with certainty off of one data point.
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Name for me the last Republican this District voted for? After watching Republicans on the Debt debate indications are they learned from the 2006-2008-2010 elections and if that isn't the case they will be voted out of office again in 2014. We are broke so tell me how increasing Federal Spending is going to resolve that?
 
It's very sad how much damage this country has had to sustain in order to help republicans discredit Obama and push them back into power. Even sadder is how much more damage this country will sustain with leadership whose only goal is to secure power and wealth for themselves. It would be great to see a republican who actually lived up to republican ideals like community focus, actual morality, support of small business, and military non-intervention. Instead we get greedy pricks who smash small business for large ones, take focus away from community with an obsession over nuclear families, ignore Christian morality like actually loving one's neighbor, and use the US military to kill personal enemies and secure wealth for corporate interests.

It boggles my mind why anyone votes for mainstream republicans. They don't actually follow their party's platform at all.
 
Conservative said:
Name for me the last Republican this District voted for? After watching Republicans on the Debt debate indications are they learned from the 2006-2008-2010 elections and if that isn't the case they will be voted out of office again in 2014. We are broke so tell me how increasing Federal Spending is going to resolve that?
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Again, deflection without addressing the point. If you want to debate, fine; debate. But you're deflecting, which is just weaksauce.
 
Paschendale said:
It's very sad how much damage this country has had to sustain in order to help republicans discredit Obama and push them back into power. Even sadder is how much more damage this country will sustain with leadership whose only goal is to secure power and wealth for themselves. It would be great to see a republican who actually lived up to republican ideals like community focus, actual morality, support of small business, and military non-intervention. Instead we get greedy pricks who smash small business for large ones, take focus away from community with an obsession over nuclear families, ignore Christian morality like actually loving one's neighbor, and use the US military to kill personal enemies and secure wealth for corporate interests.

It boggles my mind why anyone votes for mainstream republicans. They don't actually follow their party's platform at all.
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NY 9 with a 4-1 advantage for the Democrats went for a Republican 54-46. The country realizes it made a mistakein voting for Obama, when will you?
 
Conservative said:
Since 2007 Democrats have had overwhelming support of the Congress until Republicans took the House in 2011. NY 9 is a referendum on Obama and that Democrat control. If a District that is 4-1 Democrats votes 54-46 for a Republican that is a powerful message that supporters better pay attention to.
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NY 9 is largely a referendum about one issue, Israel. If this special election means anything, it means that Obama will have to be very concerned about Florida ( Southeast to be specific). New York won't be in play, but Florida surely is.

Let's remember that this is a constituency that has been democratic since FDR. It votes about 70% democratic. Also there is the question of what big donors will do. Think past NY9 and look at the larger ramifications.
 
Ikari said:
Again, deflection without addressing the point. If you want to debate, fine; debate. But you're deflecting, which is just weaksauce.
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Debate what? I have seen you refute nothing that I posted but instead try to divert. This post is about the election in NY 9 and you want to divert to Iraq or anyplace else. That speaks volumes.
 
Paschendale said:
It boggles my mind why anyone votes for mainstream republicans. They don't actually follow their party's platform at all.
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The Republicans are just the otherside of the same coin as the Democrats. All they're doing is playing us all for chumps and laughing all the way to the bank.
 
washunut said:
NY 9 is largely a referendum about one issue, Israel. If this special election means anything, it means that Obama will have to be very concerned about Florida ( Southeast to be specific). New York won't be in play, but Florida surely is.

Let's remember that this is a constituency that has been democratic since FDR. It votes about 70% democratic. Also there is the question of what big donors will do. Think past NY9 and look at the larger ramifications.
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I don't disagree but any District that is 4-1 for one party or the other that votes 54-46 for the other party should send shockwaves through the party that lost. Too much emphasis is placed on lobbyists and big donors when individuals vote their conscience. No Lobbyist ever pulls the lever in the voting booth.
 
Conservative said:
Debate what? I have seen you refute nothing that I posted but instead try to divert. This post is about the election in NY 9 and you want to divert to Iraq or anyplace else. That speaks volumes.
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No, I said you had 1 data point and that you can't claim "referendum" from that. I didn't divert to Iraq, it's just funny all the "fiscally responsible" Republicans these days talking about how we're broke but they wasted **** tons of money on the things they supported. And this is a group of people I'm supposed to trust to get us out of this economic disaster? It's going to be different than the Democrats? Yeah right, they'll take my money just as quickly as the Democrats do and they'll give it to their friends in the banks and wall street and in select corporations who contribute enough to the party; same as the Democrats do.

There's a problem with the way government works, but your solution is to keep trusting in the broken system. The status quo does not change through supporting the status quo.
 
I would not read too much into this loss, has everyone forgotten NY-26 where a Democrat won in a highly Republican district? Because of RyanCare?
 
TheNextEra said:
Maybe not Bush's undoing, but it certainly was for the GOP. Hence the results of the 06 and 08 elections.
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Nope, wrong again. The Dems were against the war in Iraq and Dems don't often vote for Republicans. I think domestic issues had more to do with those elections than Iraq, but I doubt either one of us will prove our case.
 
Conservative said:
NY 9 with a 4-1 advantage for the Democrats went for a Republican 54-46. The country realizes it made a mistakein voting for Obama, when will you?
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Some people care about truth and reasonable, impartial processes to arrive at it, why don't you?

Recent elections prove that districts long held in complacency by a single partisan block are far more vulnerable to capture than previously believed, at least for one cycle. For example, there's no telling how many sentimentally Republican people have telecommuted to that region for the last several decades but who have never organized into a voting power because of assumption in Democratic superiority in the region.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Maybe not Bush's undoing, but it certainly was for the GOP. Hence the results of the 06 and 08 elections.
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Also, if Bush's war in Iraq was the undoing of the GOP in 2006, why was it not Bush's undoing in 2004?
 
Ikari said:
No, I said you had 1 data point and that you can't claim "referendum" from that. I didn't divert to Iraq, it's just funny all the "fiscally responsible" Republicans these days talking about how we're broke but they wasted **** tons of money on the things they supported. And this is a group of people I'm supposed to trust to get us out of this economic disaster? It's going to be different than the Democrats? Yeah right, they'll take my money just as quickly as the Democrats do and they'll give it to their friends in the banks and wall street and in select corporations who contribute enough to the party; same as the Democrats do.

There's a problem with the way government works, but your solution is to keep trusting in the broken system. The status quo does not change through supporting the status quo.
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You seem to miss the point, iraq didn't cause the 14.6 trillion dollar debt but instead in 10 years cost about 1.4 trillion including Afghanistan with much of that included in the defense budget. The reality is liberlism and social engineering has caused the debt we have today. So instead of whining, what is your solution? A third party? That only re-elects Obama. You want a viable third party then start at the grass roots level. All third party candidates run into reality, not enough to support their position.
 
Conservative said:
How about doing what is right for America and that would be supporting Israel? How about stopping with the rapid shift towards a European Socialist Model and do the will of the people? NY 9 says a lot about what is going on, wonder when his supporters wake up. This was Chuck Schumer's seat, huge Democrat District that is showing the direction of the country today as more and more Americans finally admit that this country made a mistake in voting for Obama
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All, I was saying is that President Obama thinks that not supporting Israel is the right thing to do and I do not see him changing. As for the European model, I understand and agree. He is wrong on that too, but I don't see him changing on that either.
 
j-mac said:
Schumer's old seat I believe....Although I am not surprised the libs, and stealth libs in here are downplaying the victory, it is what political parties do, however I can assure everyone that the WH is not downplaying it today when in their private meetings. They are ****ting themselves.

j-mac
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You got that right. This win was BIGGER than Brown's win of the Kennedy seat. This NY district is smack dab in the middle of Jew-Land! Jews, for some strange reason vote democrat, I am but a very tiny exception to the American Jew! This district has belonged to the dims for 90 years or so..


If I'm Obama, I AM very worried!


If he loses even half of the Jew vote, he's done in NY, and he can kiss FL goodbye! :)

Tim-
 
Morality Games said:
Some people care about truth and reasonable, impartial processes to arrive at it, why don't you?

Recent elections prove that districts long held in complacency by a single partisan block are far more vulnerable to capture than previously believed, at least for one cycle. For example, there's no telling how many sentimentally Republican people have telecommuted to that region for the last several decades but who have never organized into a voting power because of assumption in Democratic superiority in the region.
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When was the last time NY 9 elected a Republican? I care about the truth but realize there is nothing we can do today about what happened during the Bush years but we can do something about the present which NY 9 voters did yesterday and about this President that has made things worse, higher unemployment, declining labor force, higher debt, and higher misery index. NY 9 seems to have gotten it and if that District went Republicans then Obama is in deed trouble in 2012. America is waking up to the reality they made a mistake in 2008
 
Conservative said:
You seem to miss the point, iraq didn't cause the 14.6 trillion dollar debt but instead in 10 years cost about 1.4 trillion including Afghanistan with much of that included in the defense budget. The reality is liberlism and social engineering has caused the debt we have today. So instead of whining, what is your solution? A third party? That only re-elects Obama. You want a viable third party then start at the grass roots level. All third party candidates run into reality, not enough to support their position.
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No, the reality for the third parties is that the Republicrats have stacked the deck against them. That's what we see. The system is scewed and broken, and on that front I put a lot of blame on McCain Fiengold amongst other things. The rules to keep out candidates are astounding and the vast majority of them should be done away with.

Yet we are left with two options to turn the government away from the status quo; third party voting, or revolution. Thus far I've done a lot of third party campaigning. And will continue to do so. The only way to change the government is to threaten its power. So long as the Republocrats can teeter-totter off each other and return to power, they're not going to care too much about the People; which is where we are at. The only way to get them to respond is to pose a serious threat to their power.
 
LesGovt said:
All, I was saying is that President Obama thinks that not supporting Israel is the right thing to do and I do not see him changing. As for the European model, I understand and agree. He is wrong on that too, but I don't see him changing on that either.
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He is a true ideologue and I used to think he simply didn't know what he was doing but now I know he knows exctly what he is doing and the people are waking up and rejecting it. It is American to want the best for this country but what Obama is offering doesn't meet that criteria.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Perhaps I should have been more specific.

More reffering to their overall popularity and legacy.

Take Tony Blair for example, one of the best Prime Ministers Britain has ever had. But he'll always have that dark cloud of Iraq hanging over his head. And although I admire and respect him alot, the fact he went into Iraq, well I just can't forgive him or Bush for that.
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I seriously doubt that Iraq had a great deal to do with the Dems hate for Bush. They hated him ever since the day after the election of 2000. As for his legacy, I am not a seer or a psychic so I cannot tell you what his legacy will be.
 
Conservative said:
He is a true ideologue and I used to think he simply didn't know what he was doing but now I know he knows exctly what he is doing and the people are waking up and rejecting it. It is American to want the best for this country but what Obama is offering doesn't meet that criteria.
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You got it. I believed he was wrong for America prior to the election of 2008 and Limbaugh was right when he wanted him to fail.
 
Too bad the seat is probably going to be redistricted.
 
Ikari said:
No, the reality for the third parties is that the Republicrats have stacked the deck against them. That's what we see. The system is scewed and broken, and on that front I put a lot of blame on McCain Fiengold amongst other things. The rules to keep out candidates are astounding and the vast majority of them should be done away with.

Yet we are left with two options to turn the government away from the status quo; third party voting, or revolution. Thus far I've done a lot of third party campaigning. And will continue to do so. The only way to change the government is to threaten its power. So long as the Republocrats can teeter-totter off each other and return to power, they're not going to care too much about the People; which is where we are at. The only way to get them to respond is to pose a serious threat to their power.
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No, sorry Democrats have stacked the deck as history shows that at least 43% of the public are going to vote for a Democrat regardless of the candidate and 26% Republican regardless of the candidate meaning that no third party has a chance. That is reality.
 
Hicup said:
You got that right. This win was BIGGER than Brown's win of the Kennedy seat. This NY district is smack dab in the middle of Jew-Land! Jews, for some strange reason vote democrat, I am but a very tiny exception to the American Jew! This district has belonged to the dims for 90 years or so..


If I'm Obama, I AM very worried!


If he loses even half of the Jew vote, he's done in NY, and he can kiss FL goodbye! :)

Tim-
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just putting NY in play greatly changes the dynamics of the presidential race. Very expensive media market etc.
 
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