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Republican wins Democratic New York House seat

LesGovt said:
Hmmm. You call being elected for a 2nd term an "undoing?" Wow!
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Maybe not Bush's undoing, but it certainly was for the GOP. Hence the results of the 06 and 08 elections.
 
LesGovt said:
Are you advocating that President Obama give up his principles to pander to the Jewish vote?
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How about doing what is right for America and that would be supporting Israel? How about stopping with the rapid shift towards a European Socialist Model and do the will of the people? NY 9 says a lot about what is going on, wonder when his supporters wake up. This was Chuck Schumer's seat, huge Democrat District that is showing the direction of the country today as more and more Americans finally admit that this country made a mistake in voting for Obama
 
TheNextEra said:
Maybe not Bush's undoing, but it certainly was for the GOP. Hence the results of the 06 and 08 elections.
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NY 9 shows that people are waking up to the mistake they made in 2008. The results are there for all to see, unfortunatly not many Obama supporters even consider results in making a decision.
 
Erod said:
The results of this election, and others, are giving me a sliver of hope of an economic turnaround in the not-too-distant future.

In fact, if polls are reading the same way by next summer, we could see a spike in the markets and a drop in unemployment as corporate America starts to try to get a jump on their competition in hopes of a more business friendly and PREDICTABLE government on the way.

Of course, the liberals here and everywhere will claim that "see, Obama's policies started working, and you kicked him out." Uh, no, things turned around in anticipation of getting his pathetic ass out of office, as well as taking over the Senate and gaining a firmer grasp on the House.

Liberalism is being exposed to the masses for what it is. People finally understand that hope isn't a strategy.
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the best news the economy could get are the words, "Obama, your're Fired!" Obama has lost the American consumer and American business and now it is being reflected in elections. NY 9 which is overwhelmingly Democrat says it all.
 
tessaesque said:
We put them in a situation which we should have logically known would lead to violence and ongoing battles. It's like throwing a feral cat into a cage with a hungry pitpull. We're obligated to that cat until the pitbull is no longer a risk.
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No, the "pitbull" has been beaten many times. We have no obligation to the gift at all. If Israel can't get along with its neighbors, that's its problem, not ours. We have our own problems. We have an economy that continues to tank with no sign of stopping. Our median income has fallen to below that in the early 90's. Ahh, the early 90's. God I wish we had Clinton back. And at the time, I never thought I'd ever say that. But that's the hole we're in now. We're in the "Jesus, Clinton looks like a fantastic President!" hole. Stop wasting money on foreign countries, they have to take care of themselves. Use that money for the American people. American taxpayers shouldn't have to support foreign countries.
 
LesGovt said:
Hmmm. You call being elected for a 2nd term an "undoing?" Wow!
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Perhaps I should have been more specific.

More reffering to their overall popularity and legacy.

Take Tony Blair for example, one of the best Prime Ministers Britain has ever had. But he'll always have that dark cloud of Iraq hanging over his head. And although I admire and respect him alot, the fact he went into Iraq, well I just can't forgive him or Bush for that.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Perhaps I should have been more specific.

More reffering to their overall popularity and legacy.

Take Tony Blair for example, one of the best Prime Ministers Britain has ever had. But he'll always have that dark cloud of Iraq hanging over his head. And although I admire and respect him alot, the fact he went into Iraq, well I just can't forgive him or Bush for that.
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How did Iraq affect you or your family and what does that have to do with the thread topic? I had three family members in Iraq and still today they say we did the right thing. What do you know that they don't and why does that matter today as nothing can change the past. Obama is screwing up the present and the future and it is going to take years to undo what he has generated. Let's create a few more Solyndra's
 
lpast said:
Seems Obama not strongly supporting israel has come back to haunt him....the orthodox jews which have a huge community in this district voted for the GOP.
This does not bode well for Obama...if the jews abandon him...they are some of his staunchest supporters and donors. I am ALL FOR total support of Israel.

Republican wins Democratic New York House seat - The Washington Post


Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s Ninth Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.
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This is really a shocking result.

To put it in perspective, I grew up in that district. The only election that counted was the democratic primary. Not sure if anyone can take what happens 14 months before an election as too meaningful as things can change quickly, but you had to have people who NEVER voted republican before pull that lever.
 
Conservative said:
How did Iraq affect you or your family and what does that have to do with the thread topic? I had three family members in Iraq and still today they say we did the right thing. What do you know that they don't and why does that matter today as nothing can change the past. Obama is screwing up the present and the future and it is going to take years to undo what he has generated. Let's create a few more Solyndra's
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Dude, please leave your anecdotal bull**** at the door.

I thank your family members for their service, but just because they served, and they think it was right, doesn't make it right.
 
Conservative said:
Obama is screwing up the present and the future and it is going to take years to undo what he has generated. Let's create a few more Solyndra's
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The Republocrats have been screwing us all over for awhile now. More and more government, more aggressive government, less controlled government, government beholden to special interest and corporate interest and Wall Street interest; but not the People's interest. This ain't new, and voting for the status quo is not going to change the status quo. Putting in a Republican is not going to reverse our course or heal the Republic.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Dude, please leave your anecdotal bull**** at the door.

I thank your family members for their service, but just because they served, and they think it was right, doesn't make it right.
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You raised the issue of Iraq that you would never forgive Bush and Blair for doing that and I asked a legitimate question which of course you didn't answer. So again, how did Iraq hurt you or your family. Interesting how anecdotal bull**** can now be added to actual economic results to the list of things Obama supporters don't want mentioned. Please provide me with a few things you believe are appropriate to discuss in this forum that you feel are appropriate? Thanks in advance.
 
No one has yet thanked Anthony Weiner for his gift ... it shows how one so arrogant comes undone by his own preconceived sharing of his greatness with the ladies on the internet. Truly his fall should be studied by future politicians as an example of lies and vanity.


Vanity. Defiantly my favorite sin....

 
Conservative said:
NY 9 shows that people are waking up to the mistake they made in 2008. The results are there for all to see, unfortunatly not many Obama supporters even consider results in making a decision.
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Basically, a tea party guy won one of the safest Democratic districts in the country. And it was entirely about Obama, liberalism, and their collective impact on the economy.

New Yorkers must truly be scared out of their ever-loving minds.
 
Conservative said:
You raised the issue of Iraq that you would never forgive Bush and Blair for doing that and I asked a legitimate question which of course you didn't answer. So again, how did Iraq hurt you or your family. Interesting how anecdotal bull**** can now be added to actual economic results to the list of things Obama supporters don't want mentioned. Please provide me with a few things you believe are appropriate to discuss in this forum that you feel are appropriate? Thanks in advance.
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Why do you have to bring my, or your families into it?

The two claims were, Saddam was involved with Al Queada, and he had weapons of mass destruction.

Niether were true, we invaded for nothing, I lost countrymen needlessly because of it and that means alot to me. Maybe you can live with that because Bush had a (R) next to his name, but I don't have to. If it hadn't of been for Iraq, I'd have nothing against Bush.
 
Ikari said:
The Republocrats have been screwing us all over for awhile now. More and more government, more aggressive government, less controlled government, government beholden to special interest and corporate interest and Wall Street interest; but not the People's interest. This ain't new, and voting for the status quo is not going to change the status quo. Putting in a Republican is not going to reverse our course or heal the Republic.
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Please provide me with a list of things the Republicans have done since 2007 when the Democrats took control of the Congress. NY 9 has a 4-1 ratio of Democrats to Republicans and many of those Democrats pulled the lever for a Republican for the first time in their life. Do you honestly believe that this wasn't a referendum on Obama? Do you know who Wall Street supported in 2008 with their wallets? Seems according to you the People's interest are businesses like Solyndra, Federal Spending for state responsibility issues like teachers, firefighters, and police, expanding Medicaid and Unemployment Insurance. How is it in the people's interest to fund those programs indefinitely and increasing the burden on the states when the federal taxpayer money runs out?
 
Conservative said:
So again, how did Iraq hurt you or your family.
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Does Iraq have to "hurt you or your family" before one can properly critique it? We're broke and we're spending ridiculous money on Iraq. How much already? We've never had a war last this long, we've more than doubled our losses from 9/11 which this is all supposed to be about somehow, we've destroyed countries and people and furthered anti-American sentiments in an area already hostile to us because of our (the West in general) intervention.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Why do you have to bring my, or your families into it?

The two claims were, Saddam was involved with Al Queada, and he had weapons of mass destruction.

Niether were true, we invaded for nothing, I lost countrymen needlessly because of it and that means alot to me. Maybe you can live with that because Bush had a (R) next to his name, but I don't have to. If it hadn't of been for Iraq, I'd have nothing against Bush.
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Doesn't matter what you think today but keep diverting from the question I raised. We are now losing a country because of Obama who is making the lives lost there mean very little. I am still waiting for what Bush did to you or your family that caused this hatred. My belief is that if Bush had a D after his name you would have supported it. The Iraq Liberation Act was signed in 1998 by Clinton and the Democrats controlled the Senate when the resolution was passed giving Bush the authorization. The fact remains, Democrats want the issue which you continue to buy or they would have brought impeachment charges against Bush but because they wanted the issue and not the trial that speaks volumes. Too many Democrats on record in video and documented quotes supporting the Bush actions even before Bush took office. Simple fact that liberals ignore.

Now none of that has anything to do with the thread topic as this 4-1 Democrat controlled District went 54-46 for a Republican. That is huge.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Why do you have to bring my, or your families into it?

The two claims were, Saddam was involved with Al Queada, and he had weapons of mass destruction.

Niether were true, we invaded for nothing, I lost countrymen needlessly because of it and that means alot to me. Maybe you can live with that because Bush had a (R) next to his name, but I don't have to. If it hadn't of been for Iraq, I'd have nothing against Bush.
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He had a year to move whatever WMD he had while we screwed around with the UN. Clinton was convinced he had them, too. ALL THE INTELLIGENCE suggested he did. Bush was acting on that very same intelligence.

But beyond that, consider this.

The future of this effed-up part of the world is going to be violent within, and if they have their way, hostile toward us and the rest of the non-Islam nations.

And now, we have a military base established right smack dab in the middle of the whole cockroach-infested region. We can fight them there, on their soil, indefinitely. History will show that to be not only brilliant, but perhaps the salvation of the planet.
 
Conservative said:
Please provide me with a list of things the Republicans have done since 2007 when the Democrats took control of the Congress. NY 9 has a 4-1 ratio of Democrats to Republicans and many of those Democrats pulled the lever for a Republican for the first time in their life. Do you honestly believe that this wasn't a referendum on Obama? Do you know who Wall Street supported in 2008 with their wallets? Seems according to you the People's interest are businesses like Solyndra, Federal Spending for state responsibility issues like teachers, firefighters, and police, expanding Medicaid and Unemployment Insurance. How is it in the people's interest to fund those programs indefinitely and increasing the burden on the states when the federal taxpayer money runs out?
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No, I will not limit my critique of the party's control and influence to the time frame you want to try to make yourself look good. Your side sucks just as well. You want to limit what I can say? Why? Because you know when the R's were in charge, they were just as bad. What have Republicans done since 2007? Run obstructionist campaigns on nothing more than partisan BS. We couldn't even have an honest debate on healthcare. Socialism this and death panel. How long did Republicans hold us hostage to get tax cuts for the rich to stick? You want to run your mouth about funding Medicaid or Unemployment when we're broke? How the hell do you run an expansive international war when you're broke? Huh? How do you keep handing out money like its candy to places like Israel when we're broke? If we're cutting funding because we're broke, I will cut funding for each and every asshole out there BEFORE I would consider cutting any support for American people.

I got a better question. Since 2007, what have Republicans done FOR us?
 
Ikari said:
Does Iraq have to "hurt you or your family" before one can properly critique it? We're broke and we're spending ridiculous money on Iraq. How much already? We've never had a war last this long, we've more than doubled our losses from 9/11 which this is all supposed to be about somehow, we've destroyed countries and people and furthered anti-American sentiments in an area already hostile to us because of our (the West in general) intervention.
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You would have more credibility if you could honestly critique Iraq but you cannot. Iraq is winding down and we are spending less there than now yet the budget deficit is higher. What you want to ignore are the many Democrats on record prior to Bush taking office supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein. Why do you think they didn't pursue Impeachment?

For the third year in a row the deficit is over a trillion dollars. NY 9 says enough is enough as this 4-1 Democrat District voted for the Republican 54-46.
 
Ikari said:
No, I will not limit my critique of the party's control and influence to the time frame you want to try to make yourself look good. Your side sucks just as well. You want to limit what I can say? Why? Because you know when the R's were in charge, they were just as bad. What have Republicans done since 2007? Run obstructionist campaigns on nothing more than partisan BS. We couldn't even have an honest debate on healthcare. Socialism this and death panel. How long did Republicans hold us hostage to get tax cuts for the rich to stick? You want to run your mouth about funding Medicaid or Unemployment when we're broke? How the hell do you run an expansive international war when you're broke? Huh? How do you keep handing out money like its candy to places like Israel when we're broke? If we're cutting funding because we're broke, I will cut funding for each and every asshole out there BEFORE I would consider cutting any support for American people.

I got a better question. Since 2007, what have Republicans done FOR us?
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Since 2007 Democrats have had overwhelming support of the Congress until Republicans took the House in 2011. NY 9 is a referendum on Obama and that Democrat control. If a District that is 4-1 Democrats votes 54-46 for a Republican that is a powerful message that supporters better pay attention to.
 
Conservative said:
You would have more credibility if you could honestly critique Iraq but you cannot. Iraq is winding down and we are spending less there than now yet the budget deficit is higher. What you want to ignore are the many Democrats on record prior to Bush taking office supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein. Why do you think they didn't pursue Impeachment?
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We don't impeach for **** anymore because both sides are so guilty they don't want to open the can of worms. I thought Clinton should have been impeached for lying under oath and he looks like a god damned Boy Scout compared to Bush and Obama.

Conservative said:
For the third year in a row the deficit is over a trillion dollars. NY 9 says enough is enough as this 4-1 Democrat District voted for the Republican 54-46.
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And for nearly a decade we've been bombing the piss out of countries in the ME. Continue to do so. We may be "winding down" Iraq (I'll believe it when I see it), but we're not done wasting American lives and money in the area just yet. Obama is continuing what Bush started (which is why before he was elected, I said that he'll mostly be just like Bush).
 
Conservative said:
Since 2007 Democrats have had overwhelming support of the Congress until Republicans took the House in 2011. NY 9 is a referendum on Obama and that Democrat control. If a District that is 4-1 Democrats votes 54-46 for a Republican that is a powerful message that supporters better pay attention to.
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So? You didn't answer anything at all. You just say this is a "referendum on Obama". I say bull****. You have ONE data point, you can't say anything definitive about the system yet. This is just what you WANT to be true, not something that is necessarily true. It could be the first in a Democrat expulsion (though we'll be in no better place, the Republicans will just take over and those two parties are essentially the same thing), it could be the first in an incumbent expulsion. You don't know. You can't say anything with certainty off of one data point.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Perhaps I should have been more specific.

More reffering to their overall popularity and legacy.

Take Tony Blair for example, one of the best Prime Ministers Britain has ever had. But he'll always have that dark cloud of Iraq hanging over his head. And although I admire and respect him alot, the fact he went into Iraq, well I just can't forgive him or Bush for that.
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No, you shouldn't have been more specific. He should have just known that.
 
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