Perry and Paul: Texas-Sized Feud?

nota bene · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
It's better to hire morons with a history of failing, like Perry, Palin, bush*, McCain, etc

What wouldn't be good would be re-electing someone with a proven record of abject failure.

haymarket · Sep 9, 2011

nota bene said:
I never cared what Ted Kennedy's GPA was because he was a cheater. Kicked out of Harvard for it, you know.

And later readmitted and graduated.

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
You used a different (and false) reasoning for your claim

yes, way different.

you said that small govt rightwingers voted to increase spending, the PATRIOT Act, the HSA and the TSA.

I said those actions precluded them from being small government politicians.

How is this any different then Danarhea using Perry's past actions to preclude him from such a title? I fail to see any logic or reasoning in your stance

nota bene · Sep 9, 2011

haymarket said:
And later readmitted and graduated.

So? My point is who cares what the GPA of a cheater is? And cheater he was.

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

nota bene said:
What wouldn't be good would be re-electing someone with a proven record of abject failure.

That's why I won't be voting republican

ARealConservative said:
yes, way different.
you said that small govt rightwingers voted to increase spending, the PATRIOT Act, the HSA and the TSA.
I said those actions precluded them from being small government politicians.
How is this any different then Danarhea using Perry's past actions to preclude him from such a title? I fail to see any logic or reasoning in your stance

You dishonestly claimed that what a politician said had nothing to do with it.

Danarhea didn't preclude anything. He just pointed out the hypocrisy of a "small govt" politician

And I'm still waiting for you to post a non-circular definition of what small govt means. Is it based on the # of employees? How much they spend? What powers they have?

All you have done is say what a small govt politician is not. You havent said what it is.

PS - danarhea said nothing about Perry being or not being a "small govt" politician. Your claim that he made the same argument you did is nothing but a lie. But that's what I expect from radicals who dishonestly call themselves conservatives.

haymarket · Sep 9, 2011

nota bene said:
So? My point is who cares what the GPA of a cheater is? And cheater he was.

So you know in an incident in his early academic career he was involved in cheating. Beyond that, you know nothing of what happened in every other course he took.

nota bene · Sep 9, 2011

haymarket said:
So you know in an incident in his early academic career he was involved in cheating. Beyond that, you know nothing of what happened in every other course he took.

I don't need to know. All his grades, as far as I'm concerned, are invalid and meaningless.

Oh, and Kennedy's cheating in one little old college class wasn't exactly the extent of his cheating...now was it? He tried to take shortcuts most of his life.

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
You dishonestly claimed that what a politician said had nothing to do with it.

you are dishonestly putting words in my mouth. I said small government politicians are judged by their actions, not their titles.

Danarhea didn't preclude anything. He just pointed out the hypocrisy of a "small govt" politician

No, he said "Perry can talk a good game of Conservatism, but people are not defined by what they say. They are defined by what they do"

And I said " small government politicians are judged by their actions, not their titles."

You thanked him, and claimed I was violating the No True Scottsman, but we were making the same frigging argument, with almost identical language

Ikari · Sep 9, 2011

haymarket said:
And later readmitted and graduated.

He was a Kennedy, they can buy their way into any place.

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

ARealConservative said:
you are dishonestly putting words in my mouth. I said small government politicians are judged by their actions, not their titles.

"small govt" is not a title. It's how some describe themselves. They are all hypocrits, just like the people who call themselves conservatives but are really radicals

No, he said "Perry can talk a good game of Conservatism, but people are not defined by what they say. They are defined by what they do"

And I said " small government politicians are judged by their actions, not their titles."

You thanked him, and claimed I was violating the No True Scottsman, but we were making the same frigging argument, with almost identical language

He was accusing Perry of hypocrisy, you were defending him....not the same thing; they're the opposite of each other

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
"small govt" is not a title. It's how some describe themselves. They are all hypocrits, just like the people who call themselves conservatives but are really radicals

A small government politician is a descriptor for what they believe in.

Ps I am a real conservative – not the phony kind like Bush (and Perry). You calling me a radical is a badge of honor as I consider you a traitor to this once great nation.

He was accusing Perry of hypocrisy, you were defending him....not the same thing; they're the opposite of each other

I was defending Perry? Where? When?

He also called Perry a liar for saying he wants smaller government. I’m merely saying he isn’t a small government politician because his actions indicate he doesn’t want a smaller government. We are stating the same thing.

danarhea · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
That's why I won't be voting republican

You dishonestly claimed that what a politician said had nothing to do with it.

Danarhea didn't preclude anything. He just pointed out the hypocrisy of a "small govt" politician

And I'm still waiting for you to post a non-circular definition of what small govt means. Is it based on the # of employees? How much they spend? What powers they have?

All you have done is say what a small govt politician is not. You havent said what it is.

PS - danarhea said nothing about Perry being or not being a "small govt" politician. Your claim that he made the same argument you did is nothing but a lie. But that's what I expect from radicals who dishonestly call themselves conservatives.

Actually, I did. :mrgreen:

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

ARealConservative said:
A small government politician is a descriptor for what they believe in.

No, a "small govt politician" is a descriptor for what they claim to believe in, just as "conservative" is a descriptor for what they claim to believe in.

Ps I am a real conservative – not the phony kind like Bush (and Perry). You calling me a radical is a badge of honor as I consider you a traitor to this once great nation.

Your beliefs are not "conservative"; they are radical which is the opposite of conservative

I was defending Perry? Where? When?

He also called Perry a liar for saying he wants smaller government. I’m merely saying he isn’t a small government politician because his actions indicate he doesn’t want a smaller government. We are stating the same thing.

There you go again, defending Perry by claiming that he isn't a small govt politician. Being a hypocrit is what being a "small govt" politician is all about, just as being a hypocrit is what being a conservative is all about.

That's why you can't identify one "real" small govt politician, and why you can't even define what a small govt politician is with any detail. It's because there is no definition that applies to anyone who actually exists

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
Your beliefs are not "conservative"; they are radical which is the opposite of conservative

Your opinion of my beliefs means jack ****. You don’t understand conservatism, so your opinion of it is meaningless.

There you go again, defending Perry by claiming that he isn't a small govt politician. Being a hypocrit is what being a "small govt" politician is all about, just as being a hypocrit is what being a conservative is all about.

First, it’s hypocrite. Second, I would never defend Perry, nor did I. I made the same argument that Dahrnea made, he has no interest in smaller government.

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

ARealConservative said:
Your opinion of my beliefs means jack ****. You don’t understand conservatism, so your opinion of it is meaningless.

No, it's the radical rightwingers who call themselves conservatives who don't know what conservatism really means.

First, it’s hypocrite. Second, I would never defend Perry, nor did I. I made the same argument that Dahrnea made, he has no interest in smaller government.

Sure you wouldn't. :roll:

And I noticed you avoided defending your position by responding to my points. I guess I was right, but I'll repeat them in case you get the spine to respond

That's why you can't identify one "real" small govt politician, and why you can't even define what a small govt politician is with any detail. It's because there is no definition that applies to anyone who actually exists

Demon of Light · Sep 9, 2011

This picture is also pretty good:

Paul is playing this down, but I wonder if maybe he is just being polite in not making an issue of it. Then again, gestures and facial expressions can easily be misunderstood and taken out of context. For all we know their conversation went like this:

ric27 · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
No, it's the radical rightwingers who call themselves conservatives who don't know what conservatism really means.

What *I your mind* does conservatism really mean?

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

ric27 said:
What *I your mind* does conservatism really mean?

Do you think asking what it means is an effective way to show that you do know what it means? :lol:

Conservative | Define Conservative at Dictionary.com

disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

The rightwingers who call themselves "conservatives" do not want to preserve existing conditions nor restore traditional ones nor limit change

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
The rightwingers who call themselves "conservatives" do not want to preserve existing conditions nor restore traditional ones nor limit change

I wish to restore traditional constitutional limits on powers.

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

ARealConservative said:
I wish to restore traditional constitutional limits on powers.

So your pro-choice, pro-prostitution, pro-tax, pro-govt borrowing, pro-central banking and pro-slavery?

You oppose the direct election of senators, women and blacks being able to vote?

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
So your pro-choice, pro-prostitution, pro-tax, pro-govt borrowing, pro-central banking and pro-slavery?

You oppose the direct election of senators, women and blacks being able to vote?

I'm not sure how long I want to humor you, as "what I am," really isn't what this thread is about.

What I'm not, is fond of how the incorporation of the bill of rights has essentially made the constitution so incomprehensible that most issues are decided 5-4 by the courts along partisan lines.

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

ARealConservative said:
I'm not sure how long I want to humor you, as "what I am," really isn't what this thread is about.

What I'm not, is fond of how the incorporation of the bill of rights has essentially made the constitution so incomprehensible that most issues are decided 5-4 by the courts along partisan lines.

You're the one who brought up your own political beliefs

Funny how you run when challenged

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
You're the one who brought up your own political beliefs

Funny how you run when challenged

Did I bring it up? I sort of assumed you were calling me a radical who isn't conservative. If you were not implicating me in that, then I guess I did bring it up.

sangha · Sep 9, 2011

ARealConservative said:
Did I bring it up? I sort of assumed you were calling me a radical who isn't conservative. If you were not implicating me in that, then I guess I did bring it up.

Yes, you did bring it up. Then you ran when challenged, but you couldn't help making another comment about your beliefs, which do not seem to be conservative at all, in spite of your moniker

ARealConservative · Sep 9, 2011

sangha said:
Yes, you did bring it up. Then you ran when challenged, but you couldn't help making another comment about your beliefs, which do not seem to be conservative at all, in spite of your moniker

just to clarify, when you said some people that call them self conservatives are actually radicals, you were not referring to me?

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