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Working-age poor population highest since '60s

apdst said:
Companies are hammered with more government regulation than they once were, too.
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how about listing the regulations you find excessive for small businesses
 
VanceMack said:
I agree...for an individual business. Ive long said...the feds role here should be to bring industry en masse and labor together and negotiate a positive work/industry environment. The sales pitch shouldnt be that hard.
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if it is so easy, then why has it not been done?

why do you find labor and industry in negotiation one on one so objectionable while such negotiations en masse are endorsed by you?

what can be done en masse which cannot result one on one
 
justabubba said:
if it is so easy, then why has it not been done?

why do you find labor and industry in negotiation one on one so objectionable while such negotiations en masse are endorsed by you?

what can be done en masse which cannot result one on one
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You really have to ask why? Because neither party is invested in fixing the problems; they are invested in getting reelected. You think the dems have the stones to sit down at a table with labor and tell them to put their campaign checkbook back in their pocket, sit down shut the **** up and start being a part of the solution? you think the GOP is going to tell industry to sit down, be realistic about profit and earnings, be realistic about the solutions or we will tarriff the hell out of every good you manufacture outside of the country? Slogans...campaigns...thats what it is all about. You REALLY cant be shocked about that considering YOUR responses and defenses any time a labor/union thead starts. Those politiians are pandering to YOU
 
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VanceMack said:
You really have to ask why? Because neither party is invested in fixing the problems; they are invested in getting reelected. You think the dems have the stones to sit down at a table with labor and tell them to put their campaign checkbook back in their pocket, sit down shut the **** up and start being a part of the solution? you think the GOP is going to tell industry to sit down, be realistic about profit and earnings, be realistic about the solutions or we will tarriff the hell out of every good you manufacture outside of the country? Slogans...campaigns...thats what it is all about. You REALLY cant be shocked about that considering YOUR responses and defenses any time a labor/union thead starts. Those politiians are pandering to YOU
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and you have failed again

nothing to tell us why en masse negotiations are desirable while one-on-one negotiations are objectionable
 
Ikari said:
The only way to really do that is tariff. Companies no longer have loyalty to consumers and employees the way they once did. They'll pick up and leave at a moments notice.
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This Nation grew up and between 1941 and the mid 60s, we were one Nation pulling together and fir the most part politics didn't matter, until Liberalism went radical the protests wrecked everything.

I finished my schooling in the late 60s and from the time I was 15 until I finished my education I was able to buy and pay for in cash. three cars and insure them all. Hell I was Just a kid but one who has held a SS Card since I was 12 or 13. I don't remember any more.

I worked in two of what were once called Defense Plants building planes and bombs as well as in the automotive service industry and two or three other jobs until I finally went into Radio, the first time.

Back in those days I could leave a job at 10:00 am and have another better one by 3:00 pm.

America was a Nation on the move with high ideals, and we all knew what our Fathers and Mothers sacrificed to keep us free from tyranny in the 40s.

Hell at one time I worked with a very nice older woman who was Rosie the Riveter, except her name was Mary.

She had been in the aircraft industry since she was a young beautiful girl, and I learned a great deal from her, and from my father who was in the 77th Division of the US Army that went ashore on a great number of Islands shoulder to shoulder with the Marines in the Pacific, that helped make John Wayne so famous. Dad would get so mad they never made a movie about the Army in the Pacific.

You are right that Companies have very little loyalty, and I believe it started with semi-good intentions, like NAFT but ended when it was clear it was a major mistake and as a Nation we didn't move to end it.

Instead we made it worse by spreading the idea free trade and caused more and more industries to do belly up because on our side we never thought about fair trade, and that requires a level playing field which should have included tariffs.

My last confrontation with then Governor Janet Napolitano on the pros & cons of NAFTA told me loud and clear where the problem was, and it was all about playing for the Mexican votes and to hell with the facts of what it was doing to the economy or jobs.
 
Temporal said:
Can you explain what you're getting at? I don't understand your point from one sentence. Thanks.
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Just getting you to apply what you said to Ikari to the Chinese, where everything appears to be headed.
 
lpast said:
I dont kn ow what you mean
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Seems to me you just stated yourself what keeps us from being competitive with China.
 
American said:
Well gosh, maybe we should do away with all that, and we'll be successful too. You agree don't you?
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So in order to do better, we must do away with many of the things that make this country good and our society civilized?

Do worse to do better, now thats a message we can get behind.
 
justabubba said:
and you have failed again

nothing to tell us why en masse negotiations are desirable while one-on-one negotiations are objectionable
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Only an idiot or lunatic thinks it is a good idea to keep doing the same things over and over expecting different results.
 
VanceMack said:
Only an idiot or lunatic thinks it is a good idea to keep doing the same things over and over expecting different results.
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what basis do you have to support the claim that one-on-one contract negotiations produce negative results, such that en masse negotiations would yield better outcomes

don't think you have anything to work with other than a fertile imagination, but if you have anything of substance, bring it forward so that we can all see it
 
justabubba said:
what basis do you have to support the claim that one-on-one contract negotiations produce negative results, such that en masse negotiations would yield better outcomes

don't think you have anything to work with other than a fertile imagination, but if you have anything of substance, bring it forward so that we can all see it
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15.5 trillion debt...+9% sustained currently trackable unemployment (with actual unemployment well over 20%) for several years...US industrial jobs shipped overseas with great regularity (and US industrial ops shutting down or moving overseas)...nah...you are right...labor and industry are working GREAT together right now.
 
Here's a thought from a different angle. What if we have simply become too productive through the use of technology to provide enough gainful employment for 7 billion humans? Kurt Vonnegut imagined a future like this in "Player Piano."
 
VanceMack said:
15.5 trillion debt...+9% sustained currently trackable unemployment (with actual unemployment well over 20%) for several years...US industrial jobs shipped overseas with great regularity (and US industrial ops shutting down or moving overseas)...nah...you are right...labor and industry are working GREAT together right now.
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and still nothing to explain why en masse negotiations will do something that one-on-one negotiations are unable to accomplish

now you are bringing the accrued federal deficit into the discussion as if that has any impact on the kind of negotiations that are needed between labor and management. next will you introduce the amount of rice in china as if that has any bearing on the topic?
 
Working-age poor people....

Anyone here make minimum wage?

Do you think minimum wage motivates people to try harder and move up in the food chain?
 
lpast said:
Counting adults 18-64 who were laid off in the recent recession as well as single twenty-somethings still looking for jobs, the new working-age poor represent nearly 3 out of 5 poor people — a switch from the early 1970s when children made up the main impoverished group.

Working-age poor at highest levels since '60s - Business - US business - msnbc.com
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ahhh.... remember the good ole days, when the Stimulus was going to lift people out of poverty, put America back to work, and cause wages to rise?
 
cpwill said:
ahhh.... remember the good ole days, when the Stimulus was going to lift people out of poverty, put America back to work, and cause wages to rise?
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Was that the claim? I mean the lift people out of poverty part?
 
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