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Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000

Dittohead not! said:
Yes, basically.

From your link:



From the link in the OP:



Fair and balanced.
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I don't expect much from FOX, and they rarely disappoint. AP is hands down the best place to get real news.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
It seems a lot like something that just popped in your head...... With no knowledge behind it...
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You believe that the 2006 NIE, that says that Iran stopped pursuing nukes in 2003 is on the money, too.

BTW, nevermind that Iran has been supporting insurgents in Iraq for years, now. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Missing the point chum.

Iraq was never a threat to you at all.

Iran won't invade Iraq.
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What evidence is there that they won't? Post it. As always...thanks in advance.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Missing the point chum.

Iraq was never a threat to you at all.

Iran won't invade Iraq.
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The greatest war of the last century was the '80-'88 Persian Gulf war - two bad mofos going at each other. If/when Iraq breaks up we could well see a repeat of that conflict, especially if the Iraqi shiites choose Iran over us.

It will happen
 
ric27 said:
The greatest war of the last century was the '80-'88 Persian Gulf war - two bad mofos going at each other. If/when Iraq breaks up we could well see a repeat of that conflict, especially if the Iraqi shiites choose Iran over us.

It will happen
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It's funny because you helped fuel that war :lamo Without you it wouldn't have gone on so long.

apdst said:
What evidence is there that they won't? Post it. As always...thanks in advance.
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What evidence do you have that they will? Especially if America would intervene in such a case, and they would. The Iranian ground forces would be blown to kingdom come by the American air Force.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's funny because you helped fuel that war :lamo Without you it wouldn't have gone on so long.



What evidence do you have that they will? Especially if America would intervene in such a case, and they would.
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Iran is arming anti-government insurgents, in Iraq.

The Iranian ground forces would be blown to kingdom come by the American air Force.
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Well, that talking point sounds good, but you don't win fights with air-power alone.
 
apdst said:
Iran is arming anti-government insurgents, in Iraq.
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So you have evidence of Iranian armed forces ready to storm the border do you?

Well, that talking point sounds good, but you don't win fights with air-power alone.
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Um.... talking point? Of course you don't win on air power alone. But it all depends, if they tried to storm the border and you caused enough damage to them they may withdraw, or it would at least buy enough time to move troops into Iraq since there are many bases in the region...
 
apdst said:
Iran is arming anti-government insurgents, in Iraq.



Well, that talking point sounds good, but you don't win fights with air-power alone.
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You do know that Iran and the current government in Iraq are rather closely tied diplomatically dont you?
 
Jetboogieman said:
So you have evidence of Iranian armed forces ready to storm the border do you?
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I have evidence that Iran has interveined in events in Iraq. Do you evidence that Iran intends to help cultivate a free and democratic society in Iraq? I would love to see it, if you do. So...do you?



Um.... talking point? Of course you don't win on air power alone. But it all depends, if they tried to storm the border and you caused enough damage to them they may withdraw, or it would at least buy enough time to move troops into Iraq since there are many bases in the region...
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"if", is a big ass word. We could cause them to withdraw, if we were able to achieve air supremacy and, if we were able to put steel on target. Lot's, "if's", in that equation.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You do know that Iran and the current government in Iraq are rather closely tied diplomatically dont you?
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The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were closely tied, too. How did that turn out?
 
apdst said:
The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were closely tied, too. How did that turn out?
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*GROAN

When you`re in the wrong (which is almost always) why do you always have to play the WW2 crap... seriously it has no bearing on this ****ing subject.

apdst said:
I have evidence that Iran has interveined in events in Iraq. Do you evidence that Iran intends to help cultivate a free and democratic society in Iraq? I would love to see it, if you do. So...do you?
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So you don't have evidence of Iranian armed forces troop movements along the border with Iraq.

Cool. I believe THATS what we were talking about.



"if", is a big ass word.
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Actually its a two letter word.

Which makes it a small word.

Don't worry apdst, the No Child Left Behind Act will eventually catch up to you.

We could cause them to withdraw, if we were able to achieve air supremacy and, if we were able to put steel on target. Lot's, "if's", in that equation.
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The Iranian army moving over a vast swath of desert and open territory without air superiority is a complete loss.

See Israels air strikes against retreating Egyptian forces in the Sinai for more details.
 
apdst said:
What Obama better pray for, is that Iran doesn't invade Iraq and slaughter those troops, because he was so politically ambitious that his stupid ass thought that Iraq could be held down with a single brigade.

Putting politics before troop protection. Whatta ****ing asshole.
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ric27 said:
Well.....more bad news.

I am betting Iran invades and takes over Iraq once Obama pulls out most of the US forces there. Iran is twice the threat that Iraq was. It is only a matter of time before it gets nasty, and they'll have (or already have) the bomb!
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Are you kidding me? Iran will not invade Iraq with ANY US troops there. While putting troops on the ground is one thing, a very expensive thing... we can and have bombed the crap out of them (Iraq) for the ten years between the wars. Iran know this. We don't need to put troops on the ground to destroy a country... we have cruise missiles and stealth fighter/bombers.

As for the hysterical claims that Iran has or will very soon have a bomb... that's right up there with Saddam could have a bomb within the year. Iran's entire stockpile of yellow cake is under IAEA monitoring. They can't remove an ounce of it without prior approval. The amount removed to date is nowhere near enough to make a bomb. Hell, they've only reached 20% enrichment, far, far short of the 90%+ needed for a bomb. And the more you refine it, the harder it is and longer it takes.

Iran is not a threat to 5 American troops, much less 3,000.

Don't you guys ever get tired of living in fear fueled false bravado?
 
apdst said:
You believe that the 2006 NIE, that says that Iran stopped pursuing nukes in 2003 is on the money, too.
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Im skeptical on both sides of that issue....

BTW, nevermind that Iran has been supporting insurgents in Iraq for years, now. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
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Does that point out that they are going to launch an invasion on Iraq????
 
Jetboogieman said:
*GROAN

When you`re in the wrong (which is almost always) why do you always have to play the WW2 crap... seriously it has no bearing on this ****ing subject.
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You just can't stand it, when you have nothing else to say and have to resort to insults and bitching about what others have to say.



So you don't have evidence of Iranian armed forces troop movements along the border with Iraq.

Cool. I believe THATS what we were talking about.
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Have you any evidence that it's an impossibility? I would love to see it.





Actually its a two letter word.

Which makes it a small word.

Don't worry apdst, the No Child Left Behind Act will eventually catch up to you.
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More insults. You never disappoint.



The Iranian army moving over a vast swath of desert and open territory without air superiority is a complete loss.

See Israels air strikes against retreating Egyptian forces in the Sinai for more details.
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I said, "air supremacy", not air superiority. Air supremacy is what the IAF enjoyed, during the 6-Day War. However, if we only achieved air superiority in a fight with the Iranians, they may be able to create an air-defense umbrella that would allow more freedom of movement, in an environment that didn't allow for use of the terrain for protection.

Iran achieved air superiority over iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and you see how long that lasted. As I said, you can't win a war from the air.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Im skeptical on both sides of that issue....


Does that point out that they are going to launch an invasion on Iraq????
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If you go by the age old axiom of, "never under-estimate your enemy", it does.

Do you have a single shred of evidence that proves that an invasion by Iran is an impossibility? If so, post it. Otherwise, the, "you don't know ****", routine isn't going to cut the mustard.
 
apdst said:
If you go by the age old axiom of, "never under-estimate your enemy", it does.

Do you have a single shred of evidence that proves that an invasion by Iran is an impossibility? If so, post it. Otherwise, the, "you don't know ****", routine isn't going to cut the mustard.
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Do you have a single shred of evidence that proves that Iran is going to invade Iraq? Because them "sending insurgents" or "training them" or whatever is not evidence that they are going to invade Iraq...
 
apdst said:
You just can't stand it, when you have nothing else to say and have to resort to insults and bitching about what others have to say.
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The comparison doesn't work.


Have you any evidence that it's an impossibility? I would love to see it.
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Oh so we've gone from, its a sure bet to, prove its an impossibility? What kind of **** is that, nothing is an impossibility, but you have presented no proof, except your own opinion.

Somalia might invade Russia, is that an impossibility?


I said, "air supremacy", not air superiority. Air supremacy is what the IAF enjoyed, during the 6-Day War. However, if we only achieved air superiority in a fight with the Iranians, they may be able to create an air-defense umbrella that would allow more freedom of movement, in an environment that didn't allow for use of the terrain for protection.

Iran achieved air superiority over iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and you see how long that lasted. As I said, you can't win a war from the air.
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What the hell are you even saying here? The USAF would achieve air superiority instantly and take out any anti-air defences as well.

Your point doesn't even make sense.

And you've still yet to prove Iran will invade Iraq.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Are you kidding me? Iran will not invade Iraq with ANY US troops there. While putting troops on the ground is one thing, a very expensive thing... we can and have bombed the crap out of them (Iraq) for the ten years between the wars. Iran know this. We don't need to put troops on the ground to destroy a country... we have cruise missiles and stealth fighter/bombers.

As for the hysterical claims that Iran has or will very soon have a bomb... that's right up there with Saddam could have a bomb within the year. Iran's entire stockpile of yellow cake is under IAEA monitoring. They can't remove an ounce of it without prior approval. The amount removed to date is nowhere near enough to make a bomb. Hell, they've only reached 20% enrichment, far, far short of the 90%+ needed for a bomb. And the more you refine it, the harder it is and longer it takes.

Iran is not a threat to 5 American troops, much less 3,000.

Don't you guys ever get tired of living in fear fueled false bravado?
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Like I said, never under-estimate your enemy. Any ol' boy with an automatic weapon is a very dangerous threat.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Do you have a single shred of evidence that proves that Iran is going to invade Iraq? Because them "sending insurgents" or "training them" or whatever is not evidence that they are going to invade Iraq...
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So, you have nothing but questions, as an attempt to rebut my comments?
 
Jetboogieman said:
The comparison doesn't work.




Oh so we've gone from, its a sure bet to, prove its an impossibility? What kind of **** is that, nothing is an impossibility, but you have presented no proof, except your own opinion.

Somalia might invade Russia, is that an impossibility?
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Do Russia and Somalia share a border? Does Somalia have a well organized and well equipped army and air force? No, they don't, so stop with this silly ass apples and oranges comparison you got goin' on.




What the hell are you even saying here? The USAF would achieve air superiority instantly and take out any anti-air defences as well.

Your point doesn't even make sense.

And you've still yet to prove Iran will invade Iraq.
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There's no guarantee of that and it's obvious that you don't understand the difference between air superiority and air supremacy.

Allow me to educate you.

Air supremacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
apdst said:
Do Russia and Somalia share a border? Does Somalia have a well organized and well equipped army and air force? No, they don't, so stop with this silly ass apples and oranges comparison you got goin' on.






There's no guarantee of that and it's obvious that you don't understand the difference between air superiority and air supremacy.

Allow me to educate you.

Air supremacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So we come to the conclusion.

You've run away from your assertion.

So I guess Iran isn't invading Iraq.

Thanks for playing.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So we come to the conclusion.

You've run away from your assertion.

So I guess Iran isn't invading Iraq.

Thanks for playing.
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I posted my evidence. Where's your's? Don't have it, do you?
 
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apdst said:
So, you have nothing but questions, as an attempt to rebut my comments?
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Man your the one claiming that Iran is about to invade Iraq or some nonsense like that. I would say that i have no evidence that they will is pretty good evidence that they are not going to invade Iraq......

And by the way i was the one to ask a question first in response when you said:"BTW, nevermind that Iran has been supporting insurgents in Iraq for years, now. Just a coincidence, I'm sure." In response i asked: "Does that point out that they are going to launch an invasion on Iraq????" Then you said: "Do you have a single shred of evidence that proves that an invasion by Iran is an impossibility?" You never answered that question so you in fact are being a hypocrite here.

And the only "evidence" you have is an "age old axiom"? Seriously? Thats some **** evidence man... Try to hold that one up...


 
apdst said:
Awwww, someone got his little ass spanked and doesn't want to play anymore; gonna pick up his toys and go home.
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:lamo

Alright there buddy.

When you come back with some evidence of Iranian plans to invade Iraq, or troop movements along the border let me know.
 
Jetboogieman said:
:lamo

Alright there buddy.

When you come back with some evidence of Iranian plans to invade Iraq, or troop movements along the border let me know.
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I apologize for that post. It wasn't polite. Wanna re-respond to my correction?
 
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