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Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

Grant, there could definitely be a time and a place to have a discussion about all that.

But that link and your over the top rhetoric on "leftists" has absolutely nothing to do with what Rocket88 said.

Yes, let's not acknowledge that liberals posing as something they are not happens right Mr. Other?

j-mac
 
Yes, let's not acknowledge that liberals posing as something they are not happens right Mr. Other?

j-mac

Alright. But as long as you acknowledge you're not actually a fiscal conservative after defending every single thing Bush did for years on WS...

:lamo
 
Maybe you should learn what the Leftists are doing at the Tea Party rallies.

Racist Leftist Infiltrators Driven From Tea Party Rallies (Video) …Updates | The Gateway Pundit

Oh, I'm sure some of them are, but if everybody holding up a completely idiotic sign at a TP rally was a Leftist, that would make the Tea Party the most liberal group of people ever.

The "Keep government out of Medicare" line is something somebody got up and shouted at a Congressman during one of those famous Town Hall meetings. But everybody who ever said anything idiotic is a Lefty -- by which definition Michele Bachmann is the most successful "infiltrator" in history.

I also thought that the TP was supposed to be a "non-partisan, grassroots" thing. How do lefties "infiltrate" something that is open to them as well?
 
It is very telling how the progression of the right wing defending the tea party racism has evolved......

first stage) there are no racist signs at tea party events
then that became
second stage) what you think is a racist sign has a very good explanation as to why it really is not racist
then that became
third stage) there are only a small number of actual racist signs at tea party events
then that became
fourth stage) those carrying racist signs at tea party events are really leftists trying to tar the movement

any port in a storm I guess.
 
You have a problem with that, but not this.

I can hear you now, when someone calls Obama a terrorist.

Actually, I did not have a problem with Sarah Palin's "Don't retreat, reload" rhetorical jab. What I DID have a problem with, however, were the "simulated" crosshairs over the geographic locations of Democrat congressional or district offices and would have had a problem with it no matter which side of the political divide the image was placed over. Nonetheless, doing such on the backdrop of her comment could easily have been taken out of context by some gun totting idiot such as the shooter behind Congresswoman Gifford's near fatal attack. Now, notice I did not say his actions were directly attributed to Palin's comment nor the crosshairs images as motivation behind his shooting rampage. But it could have easily been taken that way either by some mad man (or woman) or someone out looking for a little payback against a liberal politician. You just have to be careful about what you say and do. That said, context does mean alot!

Now, if someone did call the President - ANY President of the United States of America - a terrorist, I would hope everyone who IS an American would be upset about that. No matter what you may think of the man (or someday perhaps "woman") personally, his ideology, his agendy or his politics, you don't show that kind of disrespect to the Office of the Presidency.
 
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I recall many on both sides complaining, especially the Left of course, and the slogan was withdrawn, just as it should have been.

It is pointless and dishonest to try and defend the indefensible and the "they did it too" excuse just doesn't wash.

Obama had the opportunity to lead the way, particular after his speech wherein he chided Americans after the Tucson shooting:



Barrack Obama can only talk the talk. To allow a supporter to public call those with a different point of view "Sons of bitches" and not make a statement condemning it, demonstrates how weak he is, and why he should not be re-elected in 2012. If I was to use that term on you, you would be rightly offended as well. America deserves better than this corrupt buffoon..

From that perspective (referring to context of the President's Tuscon speech quoted in your post #246), I agree. Perhaps it would be prudent for the President, when asked about the matter, to simply say that he'll contact the Union leader and ask him to tone down his rhetoric the next time he speaks at a public rally hosted by President. Fair enough?
 
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It's pretty clear what Hoffa meant by his comment:

HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize,let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

Yes, everything in context. We'll remind you of this the next time you cry "racist!" at a conservative who said nothing of the kind. So probably...tomorrow.
 
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From that perspective (referring to context of the President's Tuscon speech quoted in your post #246), I agree. Perhaps it would be prudent for the President, when asked about the matter, to simply say that he'll contact the Union leader and ask him to tone down his rhetoric the next time he speaks at a public rally hosted by President. Fair enough?

Barack Obama will ask the Union leader to tone down his rhetoric? That will never happen! Never!
 
Do you agree or disagree that the verbage and images dipicted carry racist undertones? Doesn't matter who posted them to a website. All you have to do is post one simple word: Agree or Disagree.

Racist undertones?

Its all in the eye of the beholder.
 
Grant, there could definitely be a time and a place to have a discussion about all that.

But that link and your over the top rhetoric on "leftists" has absolutely nothing to do with what Rocket88 said.

It has everything to do with it because we don't know who is carrying the signs.
 
Oh, I'm sure some of them are, but if everybody holding up a completely idiotic sign at a TP rally was a Leftist, that would make the Tea Party the most liberal group of people ever.

The "Keep government out of Medicare" line is something somebody got up and shouted at a Congressman during one of those famous Town Hall meetings. But everybody who ever said anything idiotic is a Lefty -- by which definition Michele Bachmann is the most successful "infiltrator" in history.

I also thought that the TP was supposed to be a "non-partisan, grassroots" thing. How do lefties "infiltrate" something that is open to them as well?

It's open to everyone who shares the Tea Party point of view but carrying racist signs, in order to misrepresent that view, is dishonest and they should obviously be ejected from the gathering. The same would be true of anyone carrying a racist sign at any group gathering in order to misrepresent what the group is all about.
 
Actually, I did not have a problem with Sarah Palin's "Don't retreat, reload" rhetorical jab. What I DID have a problem with, however, were the "simulated" crosshairs over the geographic locations of Democrat congressional or district offices and would have had a problem with it no matter which side of the political divide the image was placed over. Nonetheless, doing such on the backdrop of her comment could easily have been taken out of context by some gun totting idiot such as the shooter behind Congresswoman Gifford's near fatal attack. Now, notice I did not say his actions were directly attributed to Palin's comment nor the crosshairs images as motivation behind his shooting rampage. But it could have easily been taken that way either by some mad man (or woman) or someone out looking for a little payback against a liberal politician. You just have to be careful about what you say and do. That said, context does mean alot!

Now, if someone did call the President - ANY President of the United States of America - a terrorist, I would hope everyone who IS an American would be upset about that. No matter what you may think of the man (or someday perhaps "woman") personally, his ideology, his agendy or his politics, you don't show that kind of disrespect to the Office of the Presidency.

Oh lets get real here, there is nothing the right has done, that the left hasn't done, nor is there anything the left has done that the right hasn't .. anyone that thinks otherwise has their head so far in the sand they haven't seen daylight for years.

The whole point was the left called out for a calming of the rhetoric, what we have seen recently, is that they really didn't mean it, or are choosing to ignore it. The goes for the president as well. Thats fine, personally I don't have a problem with it, but now even the president has painted himself into a corner, where he dare not speak out against any threatening speech given by anyone against his party or the unions.

As for the cross hairs ….are they any worse or better then a bulls eye ?? Did you hear any of the same outrage from anyone when the Democrats used bulls eyes to show what states they were going after?
Democrats: our bullseye targets on House districts are not like Palin’s crosshair targets | Post on Politics

Some how most liberals, find bulls eyes acceptable .. . but cross hairs not ….. can't figure out why … I guess it's because “they” did it ..
 
Oh lets get real here, there is nothing the right has done, that the left hasn't done, nor is there anything the left has done that the right hasn't .. anyone that thinks otherwise has their head so far in the sand they haven't seen daylight for years.

The whole point was the left called out for a calming of the rhetoric, what we have seen recently, is that they really didn't mean it, or are choosing to ignore it. The goes for the president as well. Thats fine, personally I don't have a problem with it, but now even the president has painted himself into a corner, where he dare not speak out against any threatening speech given by anyone against his party or the unions.

As for the cross hairs ….are they any worse or better then a bulls eye ?? Did you hear any of the same outrage from anyone when the Democrats used bulls eyes to show what states they were going after?
Democrats: our bullseye targets on House districts are not like Palin’s crosshair targets | Post on Politics

Some how most liberals, find bulls eyes acceptable .. . but cross hairs not ….. can't figure out why … I guess it's because “they” did it ..

On the other hand a Union leaders says we're going to take the sons of btches out and shortly after there is this.

It's not 'the right wing' or the Tea Party, doing anything like this

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Barack Obama will ask the Union leader to tone down his rhetoric? That will never happen! Never!

President Obama should invite Hoffa to the White House for dinner and ask him to bring a few more dozen union leaders with him. Hoffa set an example that should become the standard for the middle class and poor. President Obama can't do squat even if he really wanted to. If the middle class and poor want to survive it's time for them to stand up and be heard not herded like a bunch of cattle to slaughter
 
Do you agree or disagree that the verbage and images dipicted carry racist undertones? Doesn't matter who posted them to a website. All you have to do is post one simple word: Agree or Disagree.

Agree on the second one.
 
President Obama should invite Hoffa to the White House for dinner and ask him to bring a few more dozen union leaders with him. Hoffa set an example that should become the standard for the middle class and poor. President Obama can't do squat even if he really wanted to. If the middle class and poor want to survive it's time for them to stand up and be heard not herded like a bunch of cattle to slaughter

I recall many on the left screaming that Bush needed to stop the Swiftboaters attacks on Kerry. Obviously some thought a president could do something then.
 
Because being a liberal means never being held responsible for your rhetoric. :)
Unlike conservatives, who take personal responsibility for everything they do. ;)

Hoffa is an embarrassment to his party, no doubt about it, just like Palin and Angle should be (but strangely aren't) to theirs.
 
Unlike conservatives, who take personal responsibility for everything they do. ;)

Hoffa is an embarrassment to his party, no doubt about it, just like Palin and Angle should be (but strangely aren't) to theirs.

The Left can never fully accept responsibility, even in this Hoffa case, because of their "whatabout" reflex, as in this case of mentioning two politicians who have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of discussion.
 
The Left can never fully accept responsibility, even in this Hoffa case, because of their "whatabout" reflex, as in this case of mentioning two politicians who have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of discussion.
The original post of this thread an after-the-fact "whatabout" that clearly implicates the Left's response to Palin and Angle ("the next time some nutcase shoots at or otherwise assaults a Republican / Tea Party supporter"), but nice try. ;)
 
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The original post of this thread an after-the-fact "whatabout" that clearly implicates the Left's response to Palin and Angle


You miss the point then, and prove cpwill's case with you one post here...Repubs didn't come out and call for civility, then in the same day break that call themselves with NO reprisal, that was libs.

"after the fact".... what the heck are you talking about here? The only way to talk about what Hoffa said, is to wait until he says it, right?

"Palin".... Get over it...She isn't running for anything. I think it is funny as hell that she gives libs such heartburn.

"Angle".... Who?

("the next time some nutcase shoots at or otherwise assaults a Republican / Tea Party supporter"), but nice try.

So let me get this straight....Liberals can use this sort of rhetoric all day long when some nut case shoots a politician, however, should it have been a rebup that got shot in the head, then you would have been all silent?

Noted.

j-mac
 
You miss the point then, and prove cpwill's case with you one post here...Repubs didn't come out and call for civility, then in the same day break that call themselves with NO reprisal, that was libs.

"after the fact".... what the heck are you talking about here? The only way to talk about what Hoffa said, is to wait until he says it, right?

"Palin".... Get over it...She isn't running for anything. I think it is funny as hell that she gives libs such heartburn.

"Angle".... Who?



So let me get this straight....Liberals can use this sort of rhetoric all day long when some nut case shoots a politician, however, should it have been a rebup that got shot in the head, then you would have been all silent?

Noted.

j-mac

Hoffa had every right and even a responsibility to ask his members to show up on election day, the republicans and thier loyal followers onkly want civility when it is to thier advantage. The repubs are out to break the middle class and poor and one of the ways that they are focused on is to continue thier onslaught on union collective bargaining rights, hopefully other union leaders take up Hoffa's call to battle and mobilize thier members to get out and vote
 
You miss the point then, and prove cpwill's case with you one post here

j-mac
The person I was responding to was accusing liberals of not taking responsibility - instead shifting the focus to things conservatives do. Well, the inverse is exactly what this thread is all about, including:

"Palin".... Get over it...She isn't running for anything. I think it is funny as hell that she gives libs such heartburn.

"Angle".... Who?

Conservatives ignore or dismiss the faults of their own leaders just as much as liberals. It's ridiculous to act otherwise.
 
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Hoffa had every right and even a responsibility to ask his members to show up on election day, the republicans and thier loyal followers onkly want civility when it is to thier advantage.

I think you have this 100% backwards...Hoffa can say what ever he wants, its a free country, for the moment. However, don't you even try and say that his rhetoric wouldn't be called out by every liberal if said by say a Palin, or Angle, or any republican.

The repubs are out to break the middle class and poor

Oh please lay out that plan would you?

one of the ways that they are focused on is to continue thier onslaught on union collective bargaining rights

Not for private unions, I haven't seen one governmental attack at any state level by a republican bent on going after private union bargaining. The states like WI, and NJ that were asking public sector unions to adjust their pension systems, was distorted, and blown out of proportion by lib, union hacks as usual.

hopefully other union leaders take up Hoffa's call to battle and mobilize thier members to get out and vote

When another Kenneth Gladney gets stomped by union thugs, will you then denounce this "call to battle" language crap? Or will you find a way to blame the victim of union thuggery?

j-mac
 
The person I was responding to was accusing liberals of not taking responsibility - instead shifting the focus to things conservatives do. Well, the inverse is exactly what this thread is all about, including:



Conservatives ignore or dismiss the faults of their own leaders just as much as liberals. It's ridiculous to act otherwise.

Except we are not talking about the faults of conservatives over the past decade in this thread. What we are talking about is liberal/union thuggery, and your insistence that every time libs slip up and reveal who they really are, must be blamed on repubs, or at the very least excused with the all famous 'see, they do it too'....

pfft...get real please.


j-mac
 
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