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Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

RiverDad said:
More accurately, you believe that blacks are being discriminated against but you don't really know, you can't measure the existence of the hypothesized discrimination and the size of the effect, if there does exist discrimination then you can't measure the size of the rational versus the irrational discrimination, and you don't have a solution to the problem that you believe exists (or do you?)
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LOL. There countless studies confirming discrimination. It's just that people like you discount them as "liberal BS" in order to deny reality. You must also have a pretty homogeneous group of friends and acquaintances if you would be so ignorant of non-white experiences as to suggest that there is no discrimination. Then there is your rational vs. irrational discrimination which I just laugh at.

Go back to Stormfront. You've gotten boring in your redundancy.
 
apdst said:
Riiiiiiiight, I would be much better off collecting welfare and voting Democrat. :lamo

Obama's anti-business policies and his drilling ban have put wads of money in my pocket. :lamo
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Sure, because we all know that Democrats force black people to go on welfare. Just like we all know that the moratorium is still in effect and no no drilling permits have been granted. :2rofll:
 
RiverDad said:
Let's test that sob story against Vietnamese boat people.
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WTF argument is this. Vietnamese boat people exist hence slavery didnt happen? Smooth.
Reading a little too deep into the words are we?
 
SE102 said:
WTF argument is this. Vietnamese boat people exist hence slavery didnt happen? Smooth.
Reading a little too deep into the words are we?
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Slavery that ended a century and a half ago has less bearing on the outcomes of blacks in America today than arriving in America as a boatperson, having experienced severe depredations and not knowing the culture and language of America has on Vietnamese-Americans.

Blacks in America speak English, they've been educated in schools, they're fully immersed in American culture, they have family and support networks, they have political power via the vote, they have the majority of the nation actively working to aid them, they qualify for so many helping hand measures which are in place even when they involve gutting the Constitutional freedoms of other citizens, and so much more. The Vietnamese people arrived here with nothing, not knowing the language, not knowing the culture, many of them suffering from severe Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder having witnessed the brutality of war first hand and then being victimized by the brutality involved in fleeing South Vietnam and living in refugee camps and then arriving in a land where many saw them as the enemy who had killed America's sons.

By any rational measure, the outcomes for blacks and Vietnamese should be flipped and it should be the Vietnamese who are suffering higher rates of poverty and unemployment for they had the far larger structural disadvantages. The fact that the roles are not flipped is strong testimony to the fact that the system is not causing the social disparity that afflicts America's black community.
 
AdamT said:
Sure, you do that. They really just want what's best for you. :lol:
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That seems to be what's being said. How often must it be repeated?

What would a White Liberal know about the Black experience?
 
AdamT said:
All well and good, but you are ignoring the fact that blacks are still discriminated against in 2011. Is that an excuse for them not to try to get ahead? Of course not. Does that mean that we should ignore the problem. Of course not.
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Democrats have failed to stop discrimination, therefore your policies have failed. You guys keep passing thousands of laws, and never fix any of this.
 
RiverDad said:
Let's test that sob story against Vietnamese boat people.
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Vietnamese come over here wearing scraps, and within a couple years own businesses.
 
RiverDad said:
By any rational measure, the outcomes for blacks and Vietnamese should be flipped and it should be the Vietnamese who are suffering higher rates of poverty and unemployment for they had the far larger structural disadvantages. The fact that the roles are not flipped is strong testimony to the fact that the system is not causing the social disparity that afflicts America's black community.
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How does the immigration of the Vietnamese cancel out the history of black Americans that already existed before the Vietnamese got here?
 
theplaydrive said:
How does the immigration of the Vietnamese cancel out the history of black Americans that already existed before the Vietnamese got here?
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Because one is a study of a population that understood the opportunity and does the things necessary to get ahead, and the other is a story of a population using guilt, and relying on parlaying that into handouts to survive.

Get it?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Because one is a study of a population that understood the opportunity and does the things necessary to get ahead, and the other is a story of a population using guilt, and relying on parlaying that into handouts to survive.
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I'm still waiting for the part where someone shows how the history of black Americans hasn't contributed to the current position of much of their population.
 
theplaydrive said:
I'm still waiting for the part where someone shows how the history of black Americans hasn't contributed to the current position of much of their population.
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How many generations must go by while blacks wait for some fictitious hand out in the form of reparations, or fail to understand the role democrat politicians have in keeping the black community slave to the new plantation of the inner city poverty, and crime, and welfare.

And all for a vote....pathetic.
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j-mac
 
theplaydrive said:
How does the immigration of the Vietnamese cancel out the history of black Americans that already existed before the Vietnamese got here?
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it's not "canceling out" anything.

The point being made, it seems to me, is that the Vietnamese people were able to follow the American dream despite their difficulties when they arrived, and were able to overcome them. With the Government claiming that Blacks always needed a 'step' up' because of past racist policies (200 years according to you) and that Black people should continue to get special treatment because of their past, affirmative action for example, which were denied Vietnamese people and others.

This could have a far greater negative effect on the Black psyche than the slavery and Jim Crow Laws their ancestors were forced to suffer through. Now the Democrats have told Black Americans that because of their history they are unable to compete with the Vietnamese and should therefore get special treatment. Why? Are the Vietnamese people any smarter than Black people? I certainly don't think so, but apparently Leftists do.

It's actually surprising that Black People have done as well as they have when considering their treatment by the Democrat Party. They have been talked down to, claimed they need special programs designed exclusively for them to succeed, and openly treated as second class citizens. Black people should rise up against these paternalistic policies and claim their rightful, and lofty, place in American history and they're remarkable achievements made despite Jim Crow Laws. The United States would be so much the poorer in spirit and in fact without those great Black Americans who made America what it is today, and despite the conditions under which many of them lived and suffered.. But when the laws couldn't effectively break the Black spirit, food stamps and other programs can.

I don't care much for Barrack Obama as US President and to me he is payback as an example of what 'Affirmative Action' has done to Black people. And BHO knows and understands the game being perpetuated on Black people, how he will 'talk Black' when speaking to them, or claim a connection to Selma, Alabama, when none exists. This is what the Democrats do, no matter their color. It is the party and power first.
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j-mac said:
How many generations must go by while blacks wait for some fictitious hand out in the form of reparations, or fail to understand the role democrat politicians have in keeping the black community slave to the new plantation of the inner city poverty, and crime, and welfare.

And all for a vote....pathetic.
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j-mac
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Yeah keeping black people slaves whilst at the same time electing one to the highest office in the land :lamo

Could your arguments be anymore transparent.
 
j-mac said:
How many generations must go by while blacks wait for some fictitious hand out in the form of reparations, or fail to understand the role democrat politicians have in keeping the black community slave to the new plantation of the inner city poverty, and crime, and welfare.

And all for a vote....pathetic.
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j-mac
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I'm still waiting for that explanation of how history influences every population except black Americans.
 
Grant said:
it's not "canceling out" anything.

The point being made, it seems to me, is that the Vietnamese people were able to follow the American dream despite their difficulties when they arrived, and were able to overcome them. With the Government claiming that Blacks always needed a 'step' up' because of past racist policies (200 years according to you) and that Black people should continue to get special treatment because of their past, affirmative action for example, which were denied Vietnamese people and others.

This could have a far greater negative effect on the Black psyche than the slavery and Jim Crow Laws their ancestors were forced to suffer through. Now the Democrats have told Black Americans that because of their history they are unable to compete with the Vietnamese and should therefore get special treatment. Why? Are the Vietnamese people any smarter than Black people? I certainly don't think so, but apparently Leftists do.

It's actually surprising that Black People have done as well as they have when considering their treatment by the Democrat Party. They have been talked down to, claimed they need special programs designed exclusively for them to succeed, and openly treated as second class citizens. Black people should rise up against these paternalistic policies and claim their rightful, and lofty, place in American history and they're remarkable achievements made despite Jim Crow Laws. The United States would be so much the poorer in spirit and in fact without those great Black Americans who made America what it is today, and despite the conditions under which many of them lived and suffered.. But when the laws couldn't effectively break the Black spirit, food stamps and other programs can.

I don't care much for Barrack Obama as US President and to me he is payback as an example of what 'Affirmative Action' has done to Black people. And BHO knows and understands the game being perpetuated on Black people, how he will 'talk Black' when speaking to them, or claim a connection to Selma, Alabama, when none exists. This is what the Democrats do, no matter their color. It is the party and power first.
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Well that was a post full of delusion. It doesn't even warrant a serious response.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Yeah keeping black people slaves whilst at the same time electing one to the highest office in the land :lamo

Could your arguments be anymore transparent.
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what has Obama done for the black community other than provide a record unemployment rate?

j-mac
 
theplaydrive said:
I'm still waiting for that explanation of how history influences every population except black Americans.
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This is freakin incredible!....AMERICA, LAND OF OPPORTUNITIES.

Get over the white, black, brown racism bs. The essence of capitalism is not just making ****ing money. It is the freedom to do whatever the **** you want, and to succeed or fail at what you want to do as the result of your skills, work, filling a need, etc. If you want to be a professional basketball player at 5' 6", you better be damn good. And if you are damn good, then you have the opportunity to succeed.

EVERYONE has the opportunity to succeed
 
theplaydrive said:
Well that was a post full of delusion. It doesn't even warrant a serious response.
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And proving that you are in no way seriously wanting to discuss this honestly....Could have guessed that one from a mile away.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
what has Obama done for the black community other than provide a record unemployment rate?

j-mac
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hahahaha "Blacks should pick themselves up" whilst at the same time asking "What has the first black president done to help them with record unemployment, WHEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS EXPERIENCING UNEMPLOYMENT AT THIS TIME, and blacks have historically had lower unemployment then the national average.
 
j-mac said:
what has Obama done for the black community other than provide a record unemployment rate?

j-mac
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Hell, beyond the tone of Obama's skin he has almost nothing in common with the blacks in this country who think that "The Man" is keeping them down. His dad is from Kenya, not some inner city hellhole and he went to the finest of private schools. ...Obama knows exactly jack **** about what it's like to be poor in this country.
 
Jetboogieman said:
hahahaha "Blacks should pick themselves up" whilst at the same time asking "What has the first black president done to help them with record unemployment, WHEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS EXPERIENCING UNEMPLOYMENT AT THIS TIME, and blacks have historically had lower unemployment then the national average.
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Everyone experiencing this:

More than half of black males between the ages of 16 and 19 are unemployed, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. And that's only counting those seeking work. Economists say legions of other young black men — nobody knows how many — have given up looking.

Black Teenage Males Crushed By Unemployment : NPR
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NEXT!

j-mac
 
ric27 said:
Hell, beyond the tone of Obama's skin he has almost nothing in common with the blacks in this country who think that "The Man" is keeping them down. His dad is from Kenya, not some inner city hellhole and he went to the finest of private schools. ...Obama knows exactly jack **** about what it's like to be poor in this country.
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Well, he knows a little more than most, having worked as a community organizer in Chicago for some years.
 
j-mac said:
Everyone experiencing this:



NEXT!

j-mac
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Employment and Unemployment Among Youth Summary


EMPLOYMENT AND UNEMPLOYMENT AMONG YOUTH -- SUMMER 2011


From April to July 2011, the number of employed youth 16 to 24 years old rose by 1.7
million to 18.6 million, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. This year,
the share of young people who were employed in July was 48.8 percent, the lowest July
rate on record for the series, which began in 1948. (The month of July typically is
the summertime peak in youth employment.) Unemployment among youth increased by 745,000
between April and July, more than last year’s increase of 571,000, but well below the
levels seen in 2008 and 2009 (1.2 and 1.1 million, respectively). (Because this analysis
focuses on the seasonal changes in youth employment and unemployment that occur each
spring and summer, the data are not seasonally adjusted.)
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Youth finding work across the developed world is actually becoming a huge problem. Youth are finding it increasingly difficult to find employment, especially those that took out massive loans to university, came out with a bachelors and now have to pay that back.

And that article was from January 10th 2010. Not saying the numbers have dramatically improved as the top obviously points out.
 
j-mac said:
Everyone experiencing this:



NEXT!

j-mac
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You missed the point, which was that black unemployment was already high. They are being hit harder because on average the bad economy is hitting people with less education harder, and on average blacks have less education.
 
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