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Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

And that is proof of what exactly?
You spotted a trend.... but then it takes the leap of assumption to believe that the cause is racism. If one has to ASSUME, then it is not evidence of racism.

It's proof that companies are less willing to hire people who have black-sounding names. Are you dense?

How about a more comprehensive study by the National Academies?

"Many racial and ethnic groups intheUnited States, including blacks, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians, and others, have historically faced severe discrimination—pervasive and open denial of civil, social, political, educational, and economic opportunities. Today, large differences in outcomes among racial and ethnic groups continue to exist in employment, income and wealth, housing, education, criminal justice, health, and other areas. Although many factors may contribute to such differences, their size and extent suggest that various forms of discriminatory treatment persist in U.S. society and serve to undercut the achievement of equal opportunity."

Measuring Racial Discrimination
 
If you're so sure, how about some proof. Or do you think that making completely unsupported accusations counts as argument?

Read Your Words...
 
If you're so sure, how about some proof. Or do you think that making completely unsupported accusations counts as argument?

The institutionalized racism started with the NAACP, then grew into the Liberal movement of the 60's and has existed ever since. How many housing projects were there, before the do-gooders decided to start, "helping", black folks?
 
The institutionalized racism started with the NAACP, then grew into the Liberal movement of the 60's and has existed ever since. How many housing projects were there, before the do-gooders decided to start, "helping", black folks?

Is that right? I didn't realize that the NAACP predated slavery. :roll:
 
It's proof that companies are less willing to hire people who have black-sounding names. Are you dense?
How is it proof? How can you prove that the REASON why these applicants were not called back was due to their names? If so... what does that say about the 1 in 15? Can someone be only 3.33% racist?
If One in Ten are called back that is 10% If one in 15 are called back that is 6.66% So the difference is... 3.33%



"Many racial and ethnic groups intheUnited States, including blacks, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians, and others, have historically faced severe discrimination—pervasive and open denial of civil, social, political, educational, and economic opportunities. Today, large differences in outcomes among racial and ethnic groups continue to exist in employment, income and wealth, housing, education, criminal justice, health, and other areas. Although many factors may contribute to such differences, their size and extent suggest that various forms of discriminatory treatment persist in U.S. society and serve to undercut the achievement of equal opportunity."

Measuring Racial Discrimination

I added some emphasis.....

SUGGEST means... "We guessed to come to our conclusion because we have no proof"
 
Good night -- I really don't feel like sitting here and trying to explain the scientific method to you.
 
Good night -- I really don't feel like sitting here and trying to explain the scientific method to you.

The scientific method of Assumption?

No thanks, I don't think I need to start believing in that
 
Statistical analysis. Sweet dreams.
 
Is that right? I didn't realize that the NAACP predated slavery. :roll:

They re-invented slavery. The Libbos refined the new plantation in which to enslave black upon. It's called, "welfare". Instead of the 3/5 Compromise, now a black person is a whole person and allowed more votes and congressional district constituincy for the Libbos.

Can't have all those black folks succeeding in life and moving out of the projects. Couldn't have any Section 5 districts, if that happened. Couldn't keep promising the same tired ass promises of a better life, if life in the black community wasn't ****. Sharpton and Jackson would lose billions in extortion money and the Libbos would lose millions of votes.

Black folks can't vote for the, "poor man's party", if most of them aren't poor, anymore.
 
Huh? I didn't say anything about reparations. That's a completely separate issue from repairing the long-lasting effects of 200 years of institutional racism, which is what I'm talking about.

Long lasting effects? lol

The long lasting effects, I see is the increasingly large segment of our population who has been conditioned into learned helplessness by the Democratic party and the welfare state. When they are continually shocked away from achievement and towards acceptance of the dole, eventually they will never even try to succeed. With the opportunity to succeed (escape) before them, they stay on the dole (shock), never getting better, never rising above it, never succeeding.

The long lasting effects, I see is every single Democratic policy that appeared to help the lower income citizen has turned out to be a scam when you follow the money. Why are black families in worse shape today than they were 70 years ago? Before welfare and food stamps, a woman needed her man to provide an income to support her and their children. But then the Democrats gave her subsidized housing, welfare instead of work and food stamps. If she actually had a wage earner in the house, then her benefits were cut. So fathers were gradually marginalized and cast aside. Whatever work he did and money he earned, he got to keep. She didn't want him to hang around because is cut into the government benefits and he didn't want to because it cut into his fun money.
 
Being a liberal, I think you ought be ashamed to admit you're confused. Supposedly you people have been looking out for blacks since at least the 1960's. So what the hell are you doing?

Ah, I see... it's all about the Blacks. The freeloading blacks who haven't learned to fish for themselves.

Welfare, welfare, welfare...

Um...what about all the poor whites on welfare. Oh, yeah... and all those unemployed senior citizens, veterans, and disabled people??

And if education is a factor, wasn't your boy W. the "no child left behind..." Prez. Another IAD policy that we get run over as we continue down the road of Bush wreckage.
 
It's proof that companies are less willing to hire people who have black-sounding names.

LOL!! It doesn't get much better than this! The companies preferred "white sounding names" rather than "Black sounding names"??

And this is a "scientific study"?? Do you really believe that these people would not find "racial discrimination"??

There is no way in the world they would turn in a report that said there is no racial discrimination in the United States, and those hired to do a report in Canada, Australia or the UK would find the same results. If you look for it hard enough, its sure to be there. They are in the finding racial discrimination biz.
 
LOL!! It doesn't get much better than this! The companies preferred "white sounding names" rather than "Black sounding names"??

And this is a "scientific study"?? Do you really believe that these people would not find "racial discrimination"??

There is no way in the world they would turn in a report that said there is no racial discrimination in the United States, and those hired to do a report in Canada, Australia or the UK would find the same results. If you look for it hard enough, its sure to be there. They are in the finding racial discrimination biz.

Of course that is the eternal wingnut response to solid scientific evidence: dismissal based on totally unsubstantiated bull**** claims of bias.
 
Not only does it tell us nothing about the individual person, it also tells us nothing about a genetic disparity versus social/developmental disparity. Do you agree that there is nothing close to a consensus on IQ being genetically determined?

Can you try to focus your pea-brain and stay on topic. Don't presume to lecture when you write crap like the quote below and commit the very error that you're now pontificating about. Do you have any clue how much this makes you look like a moron? You don't acknowledge when people take you down to the mat and instead you simply pretend it never happened and you shift gears and blowhard in a slightly different direction.


Well, your buddy ric says that blacks are less successful than other races because you have a lower IQ, i.e., you're dumb.​


Secondly, I made no mention at all about causality. The effect exists and the consensus is overwhelming on this fact. Concede or refute.


But you do think that an ideal would would be a segregated world, correct?

It's pretty clear from looking at how people in the US choose to live that this is their preference. The odds are quite high that you live in a Census tract in which your racial group is the majority.

Yes, you have lots of those studies. What you fail to mention are the multitudes of studies that find no significant hereditary effect. You cherry pick the science to find the conclusion you're after, just as racists have always done.

The fact that many studies don't show any hereditarian influence is an artifact of these studies not even acknowledging the effect and therefore not testing for it. The null hypothesis in social science is liberal creationism.
 
The study found that job applicants with typically white first names have substantially more success than applicants with typically black first names.

I've already debunked this study.
 
Libbos call me stupid all the time. Hatuey once said that I'm an insult to black with an IQ above 75, plus he called me Uncle Tom and a racist and, that I'm a white dude pretending to be black. Very early in this thread, I was told that I'm not black; that assumption was made because I, "don't think like a black dude", I'm sure. I've been called a racist, repeatedly because I oppose Obama's policies. Alllllllllll done by Libbos.

So, I'll take ric over the Libbos, any day.

Actually, its said that you are not black and that you are a Tom because of the things that come out of your mouth such as:

So, fugitive slaves laws were passed to harm black people?

I love when Libbos equate slavery to racism. :roll:

Let me see if I can make myself clearer. I'll lay it out in syllogistic format:

1. For almost 200 years, this country enslaved blacks or practiced legalized racism against blacks;
2. Nearly 200 years of institutionalized racism robbed the black community of wealth, status, and opportunity;
3. Wealth and status tend to pass from generation to generation;
4. Wealth and status contribute to opportunity;
5. A nearly two-century-long impingement of wealth, status, and opportunity cannot be erased with the stroke of a pen. It can't even be erased in a generation or two generations. The effects are long lasting;
6. Even today, studies show that blacks who are *identically* qualified as whites are discriminated against in a myriad of ways, including bank loans and employment;
7. Some blacks have been able to overcome these obstacles, however;
8. The fact that some have overcome these obstacles does not excuse the existence of obstacles based on race rather than individual merit.

Hope that's clear now.

To this you responded to #1

No, it's not clear, because you start out your list with not only a historical error, but a flat out lie.

Numbers 3, 4 & 5 have nothing, whatsoever, to do with race.



Once again, I hope you read some of the books I mentioned http://www.debatepolitics.com/book-nook/26529-you-reading-right-now-139.html#post1059779077

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Had you read the entire article and watched a couple of the videos Ric27 sent in, it mght have been a real eye opener for you. Thomas Sowell really takes apart a well intentioned Liberal (who I think might be a young Geraldine Ferraro) and completely demolishes all her leftist cliches about what Black people want. What they want appears to be quite different from what White Liberals think they want.

I would listen to what ordinary Black people have to say before I would ever listen to those smug White Liberals who are so absolutely convinced they can speak for Black people. It's those Liberals who are not listening to ordinary Black people who are keeping these people down, and other Black Liberals who make their living by maintaining Blacks as victims.
There is a black man who works in our organization, and he does odd labor jobs around the organization. I've become somewhat friends with him because we ran into each other at a university graduation in which his daughter and mine both were graduating. This man has put five children through college like Loyola, Univ of Mary Washington, etc.... These are not low class universities. He works two full jobs and helps out somewhere else as well. The cars he drives are pieces of **** by anyone's standard (like bearly running). His clothes are not that nice. He was in our office the other morning emptying a recycling bin. Someone was saying something about Welfare. You know what this black (dark black) man said as he left our office. "They need to get rid of it, and people need to get a work ethic."

No doubt in my mind that this man (my guess in his fifties) knows at least as much about the "black experience" than anyone on this board, or maybe any other board.
 
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They re-invented slavery. The Libbos refined the new plantation in which to enslave black upon. It's called, "welfare".
Oh your comments are so full of bull**** it's not even funny. Equating welfare to slavery is like equating conservatism to pedophiles. Grow up and cut out the idiotic rhetoric.No black person is being forced into welfare. I'll admit welfare needs reform but it is far from being slavery and a black person such as yourself should ashamed to even make thst comparison given what true slaves went through.
 
There is a black man who works in our organization, and he does odd labor jobs around the organization. I've become somewhat friends with him because we ran into each other at a university graduation in which his daughter and mine both were graduating. This man has put five children through college like Loyola, Univ of Mary Washington, etc.... These are not low class universities. He works two full jobs and helps out somewhere else as well. The cars he drives are pieces of **** by anyone's standard (like bearly running). His clothes are not that nice. He was in our office the other morning emptying a recycling bin. Someone was saying something about Welfare. You know what this black (dark black) man said as he left our office. "They need to get rid of it, and people need to get a work ethic."

No doubt in my mind that this man (my guess in his fifties) knows at least as much about the "black experience" than anyone on this board, or maybe any other board.

Doesn't address the issue here, which is discrimination against people who are qualified and willing to work.

But if you want personal experiences, here's one of mine:

When I was moving to New Orleans in the early 90s my wife and I flew down to look for apartments. We were walking down a residential street and saw a little house that was being renovated. We asked the man working there if the house was for rent and confirmed that it was. He said that he'd had a number of people inquiring about -- even, in his words, "some niggers," but of course he told THEM it wasn't for rent. He said it with a wink and a big smile, like, even though he didn't know us, we were all in the same white racist club.
 
They re-invented slavery. The Libbos refined the new plantation in which to enslave black upon. It's called, "welfare".
Oh your comments are so full of bull**** it's not even funny. Equating welfare to slavery is like equating conservatism to pedophiles. Grow up and cut out the idiotic rhetoric.No black person is being forced into welfare. I'll admit welfare needs reform but it is far from being slavery and a black person such as yourself should ashamed to even make thst comparison given what true slaves went through.
 
Doesn't address the issue here, which is discrimination against people who are qualified and willing to work.

But if you want personal experiences, here's one of mine:

When I was moving to New Orleans in the early 90s my wife and I flew down to look for apartments. We were walking down a residential street and saw a little house that was being renovated. We asked the man working there if the house was for rent and confirmed that it was. He said that he'd had a number of people inquiring about -- even, in his words, "some niggers," but of course he told THEM it wasn't for rent. He said it with a wink and a big smile, like, even though he didn't know us, we were all in the same white racist club.
Well that give every black person the right to screaming discrimination everytime they don't get a job, so they can give up and go on welfare. You prove that it's rampant in America. No matter where you go, there's a whitey saying "nigger" and winking his eye.

Okay we can close the thread now.
 
Well that give every black person the right to screaming discrimination everytime they don't get a job, so they can give up and go on welfare. You prove that it's rampant in America. No matter where you go, there's a whitey saying "nigger" and winking his eye.

Okay we can close the thread now.

No, it's just another indication that racism is alive and well even if you want to pretend that it isn't.
 
Can you try to focus your pea-brain and stay on topic. Don't presume to lecture when you write crap like the quote below and commit the very error that you're now pontificating about. Do you have any clue how much this makes you look like a moron? You don't acknowledge when people take you down to the mat and instead you simply pretend it never happened and you shift gears and blowhard in a slightly different direction.

Are you under the impression that these lame personal attacks help your argument? :2rofll:


Well, your buddy ric says that blacks are less successful than other races because you have a lower IQ, i.e., you're dumb.​


Secondly, I made no mention at all about causality. The effect exists and the consensus is overwhelming on this fact. Concede or refute.


Liar. You have cited a study to attempt to show that even equally credentialed blacks are paid less, not because of racism, but because they have a lower IQ.


It's pretty clear from looking at how people in the US choose to live that this is their preference. The odds are quite high that you live in a Census tract in which your racial group is the majority.

You completely dodged the yes/no question, for obvious reasons. You think that a perfect world is a segregated world.

The fact that many studies don't show any hereditarian influence is an artifact of these studies not even acknowledging the effect and therefore not testing for it. The null hypothesis in social science is liberal creationism.

Another lie.

And once again you do not deny that you are a racist.
 
No, it's just another indication that racism is alive and well even if you want to pretend that it isn't.
I never said it didn't exist, I said I'm tired of hearing discrimination and racism used as an excuse to sit on your lazy fatass all your life. That's what we're talking about here. Someone else already showed that just as many whites are out of work. But whites don't sit around like ******s all day crying about what some other race is doing to them. Boohoo cry me a ****ing river.

You don't get an interview, go somewhere else and fill out another application. Stop bellyaching and claiming everyone is discriminating against you. It's just insane paranoia.
 
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