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Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

Caine said:
The freedom to succeed is what you make it. MANY have done well with that choice, so by their mere existence, that negates the "Slavery is the cause of all CURRENT (MODERN/TODAY/NOT 3 DECADES AGO) problems"
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Logically, the fact that some blacks have have succeeded does not negate the proposition that racism, past and present, makes it more difficult for blacks to succeed than it is for whites to succeed.
 
AdamT said:
Logically, the fact that some blacks have have succeeded does not negate the proposition that racism, past and present, makes it more difficult for blacks to succeed than it is for whites to succeed.
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I don't recall saying anything about racism.

I mentioned... S L A V E R Y as a response to yet another slavery whine.
 
Caine said:
I don't recall saying anything about racism.

I mentioned... S L A V E R Y as a response to yet another slavery whine.
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That would fall under the "racism past" category.

But yeah, how about all that whining about their whole race being sold into human bondage. What a bunch of babies.
 
AdamT said:
Logically, the fact that some blacks have have succeeded does not negate the proposition that racism, past and present, makes it more difficult for blacks to succeed than it is for whites to succeed.
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Most I know are kind of tired of that used as an excuse to not take personal initiative. It's the eternal excuse for everything. I'll bet most blacks don't even know if and when discrimination was involved. Sure there's some discrimination, hell I'll bet my white sons have been discriminated against for having on the wrong tee shirt, wearing their pants too low, their long hair, and maybe even for being white when the employer was trying to make quota. Neither has had luck finding a job.

This discrimination claim is always pulled out as the ultimate debate winning point. Well it doesn't work on me...I reject it.
 
AdamT said:
That would fall under the "racism past" category.

But yeah, how about all that whining about their whole race being sold into human bondage. What a bunch of babies.
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I hate it when I listen to modern-day Thracians whining about how they were enslaved by the Romans. Babies.
 
RiverDad said:
I hate it when I listen to modern-day Thracians whining about how they were enslaved by the Romans. Babies.
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Yeah, and those damned Jews pissing and moaning about the holocaust. Get over it!!
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, and those damned Jews pissing and moaning about the holocaust. Get over it!!
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They did, see how successful they are?
 
American said:
They did, see how successful they are?
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Right, you never hear Jews talking about the holocaust, or see them pursuing Nazi war criminals 65 years later. They would never use that as an excuse to justify, say, establishing a homeland in someone else's back yard.
 
AdamT said:
Right, you never hear Jews talking about the holocaust, or see them pursuing Nazi war criminals 65 years later. They would never use that as an excuse to justify, say, establishing a homeland in someone else's back yard.
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So the Joos establish Israel? I thought it was some higher power like League of Nations or some treaty. So which joo established Israel?
 
AdamT said:
Right, you never hear Jews talking about the holocaust, or see them pursuing Nazi war criminals 65 years later. They would never use that as an excuse to justify, say, establishing a homeland in someone else's back yard.
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Just because some inanity pops into your head doesn't mean that you have to share it with the world. You've probably heard the saying ""Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

OK, I'll play along. Fine, let blacks talk about slavery. Fine, let blacks pursue the individuals who personally enslaved them. Fine, let them leave the US and go somewhere else and establish a country in "someone else's back yard."

No skin off my nose if they want to do these things. Perhaps, as you implicitly concede, these activities would lead them to have the same level of success as Ashkenazi Jews.
 
AdamT said:
Right, you never hear Jews talking about the holocaust, or see them pursuing Nazi war criminals 65 years later. They would never use that as an excuse to justify, say, establishing a homeland in someone else's back yard.
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Oopsies......
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, you always no it's going to be a fair and balanced piece when it starts out, "The vision of the left, full of envy and resentment...." :lol:
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Had you read the entire article and watched a couple of the videos Ric27 sent in, it mght have been a real eye opener for you. Thomas Sowell really takes apart a well intentioned Liberal (who I think might be a young Geraldine Ferraro) and completely demolishes all her leftist cliches about what Black people want. What they want appears to be quite different from what White Liberals think they want.

I would listen to what ordinary Black people have to say before I would ever listen to those smug White Liberals who are so absolutely convinced they can speak for Black people. It's those Liberals who are not listening to ordinary Black people who are keeping these people down, and other Black Liberals who make their living by maintaining Blacks as victims.
 
SE102 said:
Oopsies......
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Remember, AdamT has thought out his positions and they are razor sharp and well informed and that's why he never changes his mind on topics. There is no oopsies here - his position is gold, or so he implies.

Using Occam's Razor, I think that this saying better explains AdamT "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
 
AdamT said:
That would fall under the "racism past" category.

But yeah, how about all that whining about their whole race being sold into human bondage. What a bunch of babies.
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But... can you explain how that somehow prevents SOME from picking themselves up but not others?

What about the blacks who have picked themselves up and moved on just fine?
 
RiverDad said:
Just because some inanity pops into your head doesn't mean that you have to share it with the world. You've probably heard the saying ""Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

OK, I'll play along. Fine, let blacks talk about slavery. Fine, let blacks pursue the individuals who personally enslaved them. Fine, let them leave the US and go somewhere else and establish a country in "someone else's back yard."

No skin off my nose if they want to do these things. Perhaps, as you implicitly concede, these activities would lead them to have the same level of success as Ashkenazi Jews.
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Look, for someone who spews as much blatantly racist crap as you do, I think I would stay away from accusing others of inanity. You want to forget about slavery. You want to discount the effects of it and nearly a century of legalized discrimination that followed. We get that. But don't be proud of it. At least wear a hood or something. Oh, I guess the internet is a sort of hood, isn't it?
 
Caine said:
But... can you explain how that somehow prevents SOME from picking themselves up but not others?

What about the blacks who have picked themselves up and moved on just fine?
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Is it really that complicated? Some people are more motivated than others. Some have better support. Some had a better upbringing. Some people climb mountains on one leg while others can't with two legs? That doesn't mean that having one leg isn't a handicap.
 
AdamT said:
Is it really that complicated? Some people are more motivated than others. Some have better support. Some had a better upbringing. Some people climb mountains on one leg while others can't with two legs? That doesn't mean that having one leg isn't a handicap.
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The answer is big....

As for the underlines.... Does this effect only blacks???!?!?! I think not!!
 
Caine said:
The answer is big....

As for the underlines.... Does this effect only blacks???!?!?! I think not!!
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No, the part that affects blacks more than whites is racism. It's an analogy thing.
 
AdamT said:
Look, for someone who spews as much blatantly racist crap as you do, I think I would stay away from accusing others of inanity. You want to forget about slavery. You want to discount the effects of it and nearly a century of legalized discrimination that followed. We get that. But don't be proud of it. At least wear a hood or something. Oh, I guess the internet is a sort of hood, isn't it?
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Thats BULL**** and you ignorance is really showing...

You can only go so far when you attempt to correct past acts that are now considered wrong. How far back do you go? Who do you make responsible? If the original "perpetrators" are dead, is it just to impose a burden on their descendants for something they never did?

Reparations to blacks in the US for slavery??? Ok... do you impose a tax on the nation? On non-blacks? Just whites? Just whites who are descended from whites living in the US at during the slave era? Do you do a genealogical search and determine who descended from documented slave owners and tax them? What if they intermarried with blacks, hispanics, asian, etc. in the last 150 years? Do they only pay a partial tax based on their diluted, slave owning bloodline?

What do you do if they immigrated to the Americas as an indentured servant? Pretty damn close to slavery! What about all of those people enslaved by the Romans? As you can see, trying to "correct" the past based on modern concepts is neither practical or just. You can't turn back the clock.

You are living in the past and trying to shaft the present. Instead of making something of YOUR life, YOU want to whine about what happened to their ancestors and beg for a handout

Re-fit, re-tool. Don't sit on your ass and whine about it
 
AdamT said:
No, the part that affects blacks more than whites is racism. It's an analogy thing.
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That's bull****. Racism didn't effect me. I didn't let anyone have that kind of power over me.
 
AdamT said:
Look, for someone who spews as much blatantly racist crap as you do, I think I would stay away from accusing others of inanity. You want to forget about slavery. You want to discount the effects of it and nearly a century of legalized discrimination that followed. We get that. But don't be proud of it. At least wear a hood or something. Oh, I guess the internet is a sort of hood, isn't it?
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Please, point out ric's, "blatantly racist", comments. And you already know it...thanks in advance.
 
AdamT said:
No, the part that affects blacks more than whites is racism. It's an analogy thing.
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Strange. From your own post I fail to see where the racism comes in.

If some blacks are more motivated than others, and that leads them to success.
If some whites are more motivated than others, and that leads them to success.
Then I fail to see where the racism plays into effect...
If the media keeps telling blacks that racism is still keeping them down, and certain blacks take that to heart and don't try, they will never see that it effects them less than they think, if at all in most cases.
 
AdamT said:
No, the part that affects blacks more than whites is racism. It's an analogy thing.
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Oh blow it out of your ****ing ass, racism only affects someone if you let it. Im hispanic and have had my share of spic, taco nigger, wetback, illegal, etc so did my father when he was in the military and my grandfather and so on. It's called taking it on the chin and being the bigger ****ing man. I'm so ****ing tired of the race baiting bull**** from Sharpton, Jackson on the left and Buchanan and his pond scum supports on the right. All these losers focus on is race because thats all these Cold War throwbacks having left they're pathetic losers who do nothing but to turn people on each other. **** them and **** those who support their bull****.
 
Cold Highway said:
Oh blow it out of your ****ing ass, racism only affects someone if you let it. Im hispanic and have had my share of spic, taco nigger, wetback, illegal, etc so did my father when he was in the military and my grandfather and so on. It's called taking it on the chin and being the bigger ****ing man. I'm so ****ing tired of the race baiting bull**** from Sharpton, Jackson on the left and Buchanan and his pond scum supports on the right. All these losers focus on is race because thats all these Cold War throwbacks having left they're pathetic losers who do nothing but to turn people on each other. **** them and **** those who support their bull****.
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Right on, my man!!!!
 
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