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Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

AdamT said:
I thought you might care, since your second source clearly tracks disparate performance "by the time they reach adulthood", which is heavily influenced by parenting. Heckman casts doubt on the idea that poor schools and bad neighborhoods account for the disparity, but he doesn't seem to account for family cohesiveness and parenting.
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As I noted, these are all interesting topics, but they have no bearing on the issue in this thread. Also, while we are on this topic, Heckman in not alone in noting that poor schools and bad neighborhoods are not the culprits responsible for life-outcome disparity, there's quite a bit of research on those questions.

So, let's play with this a little bit before we abandon it - what if you're correct and the cause of the disparity can be tracked down to parenting. Now how do you propose we use that information to address the issue of unemployment disparity? Is parenting the responsibility of some employer 20+ years into the child's future?
 
RiverDad said:
As I noted, these are all interesting topics, but they have no bearing on the issue in this thread. Also, while we are on this topic, Heckman in not alone in noting that poor schools and bad neighborhoods are not the culprits responsible for life-outcome disparity, there's quite a bit of research on those questions.

So, let's play with this a little bit before we abandon it - what if you're correct and the cause of the disparity can be tracked down to parenting. Now how do you propose we use that information to address the issue of unemployment disparity? Is parenting the responsibility of some employer 20+ years into the child's future?
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You still haven't supported your argument that employment/pay disparity among equally credentialed black and white candidates has anything to do with something other than race, at least to my satisfaction.
 
AdamT said:
You still haven't supported your argument that employment/pay disparity among equally credentialed black and white candidates has anything to do with something other than race, at least to my satisfaction.
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He can't it's the thorn in his side, the pie in his face, a fact he will forever have to dodge and wiggle his way around in any debate to further his agenda of spitting frothing hatred at the left and its evil racist scheme of fighting racism.
 
AdamT said:
You still haven't supported your argument that employment/pay disparity among equally credentialed black and white candidates has anything to do with something other than race, at least to my satisfaction.
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1.) To the question of your satisfaction, I've never once seen you change your position on a topic on this board in any debates I've seen you participating in, not just the ones with me, so frankly, I'm not even caring whether any argument I make appeals to you.

2.) I believe I have demonstrated that there are confounding factors at play which explains some of the disparity. Intelligence and education are the most obvious.

3.) I never staked out the position that race has no effect. I fully concede that it does have an effect. My position is that it is not the only factor at work.
 
RiverDad said:
1.) To the question of your satisfaction, I've never once seen you change your position on a topic on this board in any debates I've seen you participating in, not just the ones with me, so frankly, I'm not even caring whether any argument I make appeals to you.

2.) I believe I have demonstrated that there are confounding factors at play which explains some of the disparity. Intelligence and education are the most obvious.

3.) I never staked out the position that race has no effect. I fully concede that it does have an effect. My position is that it is not the only factor at work.
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My positions are pretty well thought out, if I do say so myself. They aren't likely to change as a result of tenuous logic or shady source material.

I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that there may be something other than racism, and the historical effects of racism at play, but I've yet to see any convincing evidence to that effect and my personal experience suggests that racism is by far the most dominant factor.
 
AdamT said:
I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that there may be something other than racism, and the historical effects of racism at play, but I've yet to see any convincing evidence to that effect and my personal experience suggests that racism is by far the most dominant factor.
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Do you dispute that there is education disparity between blacks and whites?
Do you dispute that unemployment levels are inversely correlated to level of education?

If you don't dispute these two propositions then the following conclusion reached through the transitive relation will also apply - Some part of the unemployment disparity between whites and blacks is caused by the lower level of mean education in black society.

I don't believe that your own personal experience equips you to weigh and judge sociological factors at work in the labor market. I do believe that your ideological viewpoint can lead you to hold any conclusion which confirms your ideological bias.
 
I do believe that your ideological viewpoint can lead you to hold any conclusion which confirms your ideological bias.
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Pause... :ssst: redirect your statement into self reflection. Not to many are immune to this... unless they don't hold an opinion.
 
RiverDad said:
Do you dispute that there is education disparity between blacks and whites?
Do you dispute that unemployment levels are inversely correlated to level of education?

If you don't dispute these two propositions then the following conclusion reached through the transitive relation will also apply - Some part of the unemployment disparity between whites and blacks is caused by the lower level of mean education in black society.

I don't believe that your own personal experience equips you to weigh and judge sociological factors at work in the labor market. I do believe that your ideological viewpoint can lead you to hold any conclusion which confirms your ideological bias.
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I'm not talking about comparisons between candidate with different credentials. I'm talking about disparate treatment ob black and white candidates/employees with *identical* or equivalent credentials.
 
AdamT said:
I'm not talking about comparisons between candidate with different credentials.
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The topic of this thread is the black unemployment rate.

The question is what are the causes.

You changing the topic to avoid addressing the question is a distraction. Your topic was hashed out in another thread.

Do you believe that this disparity is solely the result of stereotyping being applied to individuals?

I'm talking about disparate treatment ob black and white candidates/employees with *identical* or equivalent credentials.
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Haven't I been clear that I believe that race is also a factor in determining disparate outcomes for such individuals? I thought I was clear about that. If I've been unclear perhaps I can clear up my position for you.
 
AdamT said:
My positions are pretty well thought out, if I do say so myself. They aren't likely to change as a result of tenuous logic or shady source material.

I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that there may be something other than racism, and the historical effects of racism at play, but I've yet to see any convincing evidence to that effect and my personal experience suggests that racism is by far the most dominant factor.
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If it is racism, and I don't agree with that for a moment, why it is racism against Blacks?

Anyone who is racist shouldn't specialize in one particular group, they should be racist against other races as well, shouldn't they? Given that hypothesis, why isn't there more "racism" against the Japanese today, for example? Or Chinese? O)r Russians? Or Native Americans. Could it be you're just assuming there is racism involved while other factors might be at play?

I tend to dismiss the opinions of White leftists when it comes to race because they always go for the easy answers. That goes for their economics as well, of course.
 
In rational terms - how to solve problems, help people to prosper and succeed, things like that - put it all aside and just think of what you'd do if you had no principles whatsoever and valued nothing but maintaining and increasing your control over the people of this country. Then you will understand why they do what they do.

Once you realize that, everything that the Democratic party does makes perfect sense. Tax policy, gun control, health care policy, environmental policy, amnesty for illegals, PC movement and affirmative action, anti-religious initiatives - everything. It's all designed to create a majority class of individuals dependent upon the government and the "liberals" running it for their welfare - people who happen to be in the Democratic party.

They are not in fact liberals in the true sense, but the opposite: socialists who desire the tyranny of a welfare state......Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years
 
SE102 said:
Yes, Africa colonized America and built itself on whiteslaves.
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Please don't try irony or humor. Leftists cannot do either..

Just make your point, whatever it might be, and then submit your post, okay?
 
ric27 said:
In rational terms - how to solve problems, help people to prosper and succeed, things like that - put it all aside and just think of what you'd do if you had no principles whatsoever and valued nothing but maintaining and increasing your control over the people of this country. Then you will understand why they do what they do.

Once you realize that, everything that the Democratic party does makes perfect sense. Tax policy, gun control, health care policy, environmental policy, amnesty for illegals, PC movement and affirmative action, anti-religious initiatives - everything. It's all designed to create a majority class of individuals dependent upon the government and the "liberals" running it for their welfare - people who happen to be in the Democratic party.

They are not in fact liberals in the true sense, but the opposite: socialists who desire the tyranny of a welfare state......Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years
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Thomas Sowell summed up the argument quite well, and has long recognized how long term welfare, in any form, can destroy families.

Capitalism Magazine - Preserving a Vision--at the Expense of the Facts

Others have also explained it well.

The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Summer 2005
 
Grant said:
Please don't try irony or humor. Leftists cannot do either...

Just make your point, whatever it might be, and then submit your post, okay?
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Oh, I forgot, you're being hackish. I wont try with you in the future.
 
RiverDad said:
The topic of this thread is the black unemployment rate.

The question is what are the causes.

You changing the topic to avoid addressing the question is a distraction. Your topic was hashed out in another thread.

Do you believe that this disparity is solely the result of stereotyping being applied to individuals?



Haven't I been clear that I believe that race is also a factor in determining disparate outcomes for such individuals? I thought I was clear about that. If I've been unclear perhaps I can clear up my position for you.
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Let me clear up the thoughts on AdamT's side of the fence. Powerful whiteys think educated blacks are still niggers, and don't deserve a job interview. And that's why their employment rate is where it is.
 
American said:
Let me clear up the thoughts on AdamT's side of the fence. Powerful whiteys think educated blacks are still niggers, and don't deserve a job interview. And that's why their employment rate is where it is.
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Let me clear up the thoughts on American's side of the fence. Powerful whiteys think blacks are still niggers, and that blacks are stupid as the blacks don't have personal responsibility so the welfare policies are to blame. And that's why their employment rate is where it is.
 
TheNextEra said:
So you're blaming Dems for black unemployment? Where's the personal responsibility you Cons talk about? Or are you just being racist and calling black people too dumb and can't think for themselves?

Also the fact you are equating unemployment with genocide is laughable. And hyper partisans like yourself wonder why they are never taken seriously and are laughed at.
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"Hyperpartisans" like me dismissed liberals as salvageable a long time ago.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get to work. I've got liberals to feed.
 
Erod said:
"Hyperpartisans" like me dismissed liberals as salvageable a long time ago.Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get to work. I've got liberals to feed.
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Translation : "I can't refute what you said"

Your surrender is accepted, though I had no doubt you would.
 
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Mathematician said:
Quit wearing a do-rag to interviews.
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Better yet, quit wearing your black epidermis to interviews.

When I was younger, I worked in construction. Being a hobbyist musician, I also let my hair grow as long as it wanted to grow. One time, right after Iraq war one started and construction ground to a halt, my father-in-law set me up with an interview for a company that provided leak testing for underground gasoline tanks. I dressed nice and wore a long ponytail to the interview.

First, the receptionist asked me if I was an Indian. There's no Indian blood in my ancestry and my hair wasn't black. I guess it was just her taking a shot. Then I met the company President briefly who wore a sour expression before turning me over to two interviewers that spent a half hour telling me how bad the job was and why I wouldn't like to have said job.

I really got the impression that they might have hired me if I had showed up with a crew-cut. I no longer wear my hair long, but my beard is long. If I needed to find another job, I would shave it off and grow it back once everyone got to know me.

But what the Hell would I do if I was black?
 
TheNextEra said:
Let me clear up the thoughts on American's side of the fence. Powerful whiteys think blacks are still niggers, and that blacks are stupid as the blacks don't have personal responsibility so the welfare policies are to blame. And that's why their employment rate is where it is.
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Powerful liberal whiteys think blacks are still niggers, and that blacks are stupid so they shouldn't be expected to have personal responsibility. Furthermore, powerful whitey businesses should hire just anyone off the street (especially if they're black) no matter how stupid they are. In fact they shouldn't even have to fill out any paperwork, just start work within the hour.
 
American said:
Let me clear up the thoughts on American's side of the fence. Powerful whiteys think blacks are still niggers, and that blacks are stupid as the blacks don't have personal responsibility so the welfare policies are to blame. And that's why their employment rate is where it is.
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Powerful liberal whiteys think blacks are still niggers, and that blacks are stupid so they shouldn't be expected to have personal responsibility. Furthermore, powerful whitey businesses should hire just anyone off the street (especially if they're black) no matter how stupid they are. In fact they shouldn't even have to fill out any paperwork, just start work within the hour.
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Wow this is pretty bad. Both of you are nastier than the discussion merits.
 
SE102 said:
Yes, Africa colonized America and built itself on whiteslaves.
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I'm sorry to have to say this, but get over it.

Hundreds of thousands of black families have managed to, and they are doing just fine.

The freedom to succeed is what you make it. MANY have done well with that choice, so by their mere existence, that negates the "Slavery is the cause of all CURRENT (MODERN/TODAY/NOT 3 DECADES AGO) problems"
 
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