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Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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You are right, why wouldn't anyone want a President who added 4 trillion to the debt, increased unemployment, reduced the labor force, has 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans, 1% economic growth, a rising misery index, record budgets,and no clue how to run anything? Yep, ideology trumps results in the liberal world.

In the last quarter of 2008 the economy was growing at a -8.9% thats not a dash that is a negative 8.9% growth, wasn't it at that point in that quarter that President Bush said the state of the economy is good? He was right on top of it wasn't he?

I am only guessing because it's impossible to do any thing else except second guess that if President Obama had not proceeded to do what he did that we would not be in as good a shape financially as we are, now you can call it bad and say that I am brain washed and you probably will but there is no way to predict where we would be if President Obama had not taken the steps he took.

Just to humor me tell me what you would have done differently?

BTW Do you think that making it legal to hire illegals is a good way to discourage illegals from crossing into the USA?
 
Still waiting for that quote, Con.

How come you can't prove your accusations? Is that because you were lying again? You said I have a problem with others making as much money as possible.

For the 3rd time ... prove I ever said that.

I am waiting for you to get on topic. Why do you care if I cite a quote of yours? you don't think liberals are promoting class warfare? You are a liberal, aren't you? Or is your leanings a lie?
 
I am waiting for you to get on topic. Why do you care if I cite a quote of yours? you don't think liberals are promoting class warfare? You are a liberal, aren't you? Or is your leanings a lie?

Is the thread topic SS? I am just asking because it seems like you are fixated on nothing well make that almost nothing else.BTW the thread topic is
Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Do you think that adding no jobs in august is better or worst then losing several hundred thousand jobs?
 
EarlzP;1059789402]In the last quarter of 2008 the economy was growing at a -8.9% thats not a dash that is a negative 8.9% growth, wasn't it at that point in that quarter that President Bush said the state of the economy is good? He was right on top of it wasn't he?

yes, it was, now tell me why the Democrat Controlled Congress cared more about regaining the WH than keeping the economy from tanking? Economists say TARP saved the economy but don't recall that Bush said the state of the economy was good, but what is the point today? Is the economy good today, 2 1/2 years after Obama took office?

I am only guessing because it's impossible to do any thing else except second guess that if President Obama had not proceeded to do what he did that we would not be in as good a shape financially as we are, now you can call it bad and say that I am brain washed and you probably will but there is no way to predict where we would be if President Obama had not taken the steps he took.

So what exactly did Obama do that made the economy better and do you call 1% GDP growth, 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, rising misery index good?

Just to humor me tell me what you would have done differently?

I would have spent the 842 billion dollars in the private sector, not bailing out union pension plans and "saving" state jobs. I wouldn't have put regulations in place that hurt employment like banning oil drilling for as long as he did. I wouldn't have fought S.Carolina's attempt to hire 1000 non union employees, and I wouldn't have fought for Obamacare with the economy in the tank and jobs being lost.

BTW Do you think that making it legal to hire illegals is a good way to discourage illegals from crossing into the USA?

It is Obama that seems to want open borders and an increase in the Democrat voting base. Who wants to make it legal to hire illegal's?
 
Is the thread topic SS? I am just asking because it seems like you are fixated on nothing well make that almost nothing else.BTW the thread topic is

Do you think that adding no jobs in august is better or worst then losing several hundred thousand jobs?

You are right, I got taken off topic again by a group of liberals who want to run from the Obama record

After spending as much money as Obama and it being 2 1/2 years later plus having more unemployed than when he took office, more discouraged workers, a declining labor force, yes, it is worse for all we have to show for it is 4 trillion added to the debt and 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans.
 
You are right, I got taken off topic again by a group of liberals who want to run from the Obama record

After spending as much money as Obama and it being 2 1/2 years later plus having more unemployed than when he took office, more discouraged workers, a declining labor force, yes, it is worse for all we have to show for it is 4 trillion added to the debt and 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans.



What do you want to bet that if I go back and started rooting in this thread that I will find that you derailed this thread multiple times?:2wave:
 
I am waiting for you to get on topic. Why do you care if I cite a quote of yours?
Translation: You lied again and cannot prove the false claim you made against me.

Ok, that clears things up.
 
yes, it was, now tell me why the Democrat Controlled Congress cared more about regaining the WH than keeping the economy from tanking? Economists say TARP saved the economy but don't recall that Bush said the state of the economy was good, but what is the point today? Is the economy good today, 2 1/2 years after Obama took office?



So what exactly did Obama do that made the economy better and do you call 1% GDP growth, 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, rising misery index good?



I would have spent the 842 billion dollars in the private sector, not bailing out union pension plans and "saving" state jobs. I wouldn't have put regulations in place that hurt employment like banning oil drilling for as long as he did. I wouldn't have fought S.Carolina's attempt to hire 1000 non union employees, and I wouldn't have fought for Obamacare with the economy in the tank and jobs being lost.

It is Obama that seems to want open borders and an increase in the Democrat voting base. Who wants to make it legal to hire illegal's?

10 years of the Bush Tax cuts just didn't seem to create any thing but outsourcing of American jobs and you want to give big business what? More tax breaks? I think we should raise corporate tax rates and drastically increase import taxes, maybe that would bring some jobs back to America.

I worked for a major international chemical company I know from first hand experience what happens when they do not have to adhere to regs.

Obama care he should have pushed the bill through with a public option and not let the republicans water it down, you republicans have a lot of nerve calling it Obamacare

There is a bill in Texas kind of like the watered down republican obamacare bill only it's an immigration bill House Bill 1202

Proposed Texas law to immigrants: Keep out ... or clean my house - CNN

Now, a Texas state representative offers more clarity. Republican Debbie Riddle has proposed a bill that creates harsh punishments for those who hire illegal immigrants. House Bill 1202 calls for up to two years in prison and up to $10,000 in fines.

So far, so good. We'll never stop illegal immigration until we start tackling it at the root by going after U.S. employers.

But wait. There's a loophole in Riddle's bill: The person doing the hiring has to be acting "intentionally, knowingly or recklessly." That's too many adverbs for me. You'll note that hiring an illegal immigrant is already a federal offense under the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, but one of the reasons that the law's employer sanctions are rarely enforced is because -- under the statute -- an employer has to act "knowingly," and that's hard for a prosecutor to prove.

So, for 25 years, employers caught red-handed hiring illegal immigrants have claimed not to know what they were doing.

And, in the provision of Riddle's proposal that is causing the most outrage, there is also an odd exemption: The person hiring an illegal immigrant is in the clear if he or she is doing so "for the purpose of obtaining labor or other work to be performed exclusively or primarily at a single-family residence."
 
Madoff would be proud to put his name on this program today, not the one originally intended but the one that has transformed into SS of today.

Silliness aside, you're still not addressing the facts. SS does not match the definition of a ponzi scheme. Silliness by you will not chnage that. :coffeepap
 
EarlzP;1059789450]10 years of the Bush Tax cuts just didn't seem to create any thing but outsourcing of American jobs and you want to give big business what? More tax breaks? I think we should raise corporate tax rates and drastically increase import taxes, maybe that would bring some jobs back to America.

Please feel free to put the Bush/Obama record side by side using averages. Even with the terrible 2008 the results are Bush by a wide margin in positive results. Seems you have a problem with keeping more of your own money and want to reward the politicians that created the 14.6 trillion dollar debt. by all means do just that, send in more of your own money. How many times do you want to tax corporation income?

I worked for a major international chemical company I know from first hand experience what happens when they do not have to adhere to regs.

We have enough laws on the books to prevent problems you are concerned about so how about letting private business do their jobs growing their business and hiring new employees. Like all liberals you seem to not understand most hires come from small businesses not those evil corporations and they are being hurt by Obamanomics

Obama care he should have pushed the bill through with a public option and not let the republicans water it down, you republicans have a lot of nerve calling it Obamacare

You have a lot of nerve supporting a law that has no hope of lowering healthcare costs and destroys jobs

There is a bill in Texas kind of like the watered down republican obamacare bill only it's an immigration bill House Bill 1202

Let me know when it passes.
 
Silliness aside, you're still not addressing the facts. SS does not match the definition of a ponzi scheme. Silliness by you will not chnage that. :coffeepap

Silliness aside SS has to be revised and is bankrupt being propped up by creating more IOU's, a slick accounting scheme. Now tell me what this has to do with the thread topic. Keep promoting off topic discussion. You want to discuss SS start a new thread.
 
You are right, I got taken off topic again by a group of liberals who want to run from the Obama record
Now there's a shining example of taking personal responsibility for ones actions.














Not. :cool:
 
Silliness aside SS has to be revised and is bankrupt being propped up by creating more IOU's, a slick accounting scheme. Now tell me what this has to do with the thread topic. Keep promoting off topic discussion. You want to discuss SS start a new thread.

A separate issue. Work may well need to be done to keep SS viable. But that is not equal to the silly claim that SS is a Ponzi Scheme. Now, everytime you get called on saying something silly, you start trying to divert attention from it. You were talking Ponzi scheme, so you have to be responsibile for your silliness.
 
Please feel free to put the Bush/Obama record side by side using averages. Even with the terrible 2008 the results are Bush by a wide margin in positive results. Seems you have a problem with keeping more of your own money and want to reward the politicians that created the 14.6 trillion dollar debt. by all means do just that, send in more of your own money. How many times do you want to tax corporation income?



We have enough laws on the books to prevent problems you are concerned about so how about letting private business do their jobs growing their business and hiring new employees. Like all liberals you seem to not understand most hires come from small businesses not those evil corporations and they are being hurt by Obamanomics



You have a lot of nerve supporting a law that has no hope of lowering healthcare costs and destroys jobs



Let me know when it passes.

For you any thing I will keep my eye on it, Do they deduct SS from illegals?

BTW can you tell me why Texas not only allows illegal immigrants to go to school but provides financial assistance for them to go to college?

The number of illegal immigrant college students paying in-state tuition and receiving financial aid at Texas' public colleges and universities continues to climb, according to state higher education records.

During the fall semester, 12,138 students - about 1 percent of all Texas college students - benefited from the state law granting in-state tuition, according to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board. Most of the immigrants among those students are illegal, and some others are not legal permanent residents or U.S. citizens.

Texas awarded about $33.6 million in state and institutional financial aid to those students between fall 2004 and summer 2008.

In 2001, Texas became the first state in the country to pass an in-state tuition law. The law created a national movement. Many private universities also now award aid to illegal immigrant students.
 
A separate issue. Work may well need to be done to keep SS viable. But that is not equal to the silly claim that SS is a Ponzi Scheme. Now, everytime you get called on saying something silly, you start trying to divert attention from it. You were talking Ponzi scheme, so you have to be responsibile for your silliness.

Already told you I stand by my statement and there are a lot of people who agree with me. Technically it is a ponzi scheme because it requires younger workers to keep it viable and that is how a ponzi scheme workers although maybe not younger workers but rather new suckers. Now if you want to continue this start a new thread or just keep running from the disaster "your" President is.
 
Where do you get the idea that tax cuts reduce purchasing power?

Because tax cuts boost M1. Without a corresponding increase in asset values to offset the increase in M1, there is more money chasing less goods, resulting in inflation and thereby a cut to purchasing power.

It's not how many did, but could they? I a government agency has invented electricity, the airplane or the automobile I'm sure they would be held up as examples today also

There's a massive difference between inventing the basic idea and actually getting the necessary parts, expertise and equipment to allow an industry to take off.

The point is, even if there was, they wouldn't have been able to. There was quite a squabble over AC or DC power. Much was invested in both. For the DC arguement it was wasted.

I can use the very same arguement...... Would we have went to the moon without the Wright Brothers? Would we have won WWII without Ford and GM?

No, you can't. Your argument is based in the logic that there is no large upfront capital costs to commercialization nascent industries. That there is no large barriers from turning a concept into a commercialized, profitable product.
 
For you any thing I will keep my eye on it, Do they deduct SS from illegals?

BTW can you tell me why Texas not only allows illegal immigrants to go to school but provides financial assistance for them to go to college?

Illegals' shouldn't be working in TX.

If what you say is correct, that is wrong but what does that have to do with the thread topic. Sounds like the kind of program that liberals would love. I know Obama would support it so what is your point. I don't support it showing that not everything a Republican does is acceptable.
 
Madoff would be proud to put his name on this program today, not the one originally intended but the one that has transformed into SS of today.

Since when did SS offer reliable, predictable rates of growth? No one expects Social Security investments to pay off handsomely.

And I'd rather pay into Social Security, than pay gobs more paying for elderly welfare.
 
Silliness aside SS has to be revised and is bankrupt being propped up by creating more IOU's, a slick accounting scheme. Now tell me what this has to do with the thread topic. Keep promoting off topic discussion. You want to discuss SS start a new thread.

And who's fault is the IOU problem?

Who wants to bet that Conservative will never ever ever blame Republicans for raiding the fund just like Democrats?
 
Technically it is a ponzi scheme because it requires younger workers to keep it viable and that is how a ponzi scheme workers although maybe not younger workers but rather new suckers.
No, "technically," it's not. It's only a ponzi scheme when you alter the definition of what a ponzi scheme is. By your definition, my homeowners insurance is a ponzi scheme since it is also requires others to participate, otherwise I can't collect when damage occurs to my house.
 
Already told you I stand by my statement and there are a lot of people who agree with me. Technically it is a ponzi scheme because it requires younger workers to keep it viable and that is how a ponzi scheme workers although maybe not younger workers but rather new suckers. Now if you want to continue this start a new thread or just keep running from the disaster "your" President is.

A lot of people onced believe the world was flat. Didn't make it so. It matters not what you're willing to accept. What matters are the facts, and factually it is not a ponzi scheme.

And do remember, the ponzi scheme conversation is one you started.
 
No, "technically," it's not. It's only a ponzi scheme when you alter the definition of what a ponzi scheme is. By your definition, my homeowners insurance is a ponzi scheme since it is also requires others to participate, otherwise I can't collect when damage occurs to my house.

Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Obama has 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans, more unemployment than when he took office, a smaller labor force, and more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force. you want to give him four more years?
 
A lot of people onced believe the world was flat. Didn't make it so. It matters not what you're willing to accept. What matters are the facts, and factually it is not a ponzi scheme.

And do remember, the ponzi scheme conversation is one you started.

Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Obama has 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans, more unemployment than when he took office, a smaller labor force, and more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force. you want to give him four more years?
 
Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Obama has 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans, more unemployment than when he took office, a smaller labor force, and more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force. you want to give him four more years?

we've been through this. You believe government is the answer, and what government to hire people. I know it shouldn't work that way entirely. I'm just not as lieral as you.

But this dosen't change you don't know what a ponzi scheme is. Or change the fact you have trouble admitting when you're wrong. :coffeepap
 
Please feel free to put the Bush/Obama record side by side using averages.
Number of underemployed at the start of Bush's term: 10,497,400
Number of underemployed at the end of Bush's term: 21,585,900
11,088,500 more people underemployed during Bush's term.

Number of underemployed at the start of Obama's term: 21,585,900
Number of underemployed so far into Obama's term: 24,882,228
3,296,328 more people underemployed during Obama's term.

Average growth of underemployment during Bush's 96 months in office: 115,505

Average growth of underemployment during Obama's 31 months in office: 106,333

G'head ... this is where you kvetch that I'm off-topic and suffer from BDS for responding to your challenge.

:coffeepap
 
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