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Conservative said:
Aw, that is your problem, the legality of it knowing that ponzi schemes are illegal? SS is a legal ponzi scheme where your money is paying for someone else and when you retire someone else will pay for yours. How isn't that a Ponzi scheme?
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If I respond to this, are you going to cry again that I'm off-topic?
 
pbrauer said:
Insurance...
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You're nuts, insurance goes to your heirs as well as your premiums are invested in securities. Any idea how much you and your employer put into SS over your work career? Think about having that amount in an insurance policy that went to your family or in an annuity. Just goes to show how clueless you are.
 
Conservative said:
I don't think Pb has a clue about SS and he claims he is retired. All he cares about is getting a check and doesn't care who he gets it from nor does he care where his contribution went or who it pays.
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If you paid into SS all your life do you care where you benefit come from, Conservative?
 
EarlzP said:
More total BS from you, monies "borrowed" from the SS Trust Fund were guaranteed with US Treasury Securities



You can read right?
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Yes, I can read, do you always believe Wikipedia? Trust funds are off budgets, but the surplus isn't and was put on budget in the 60's by LBJ. You can research that. Trust fund doesn't exist as your contribution to SS was spent long before you retired and went to cover others. Do some actual research and stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Conservative said:
You're nuts, insurance goes to your heirs as well as your premiums are invested in securities. Any idea how much you and your employer put into SS over your work career? Think about having that amount in an insurance policy that went to your family or in an annuity. Just goes to show how clueless you are.
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That's a badge of honor from you, Conservative. If you think Perry can win saying that SS is a Ponzi scheme, fine vote for him in the Texas primary.:2razz:
 
pbrauer said:
If you paid into SS all your life do you care where you benefit come from, Conservative?
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Yes, I do care because I could have taken that money put it into a simple savings account and have a helluva lot more money than you will get from SS as well as driving up the debt. How are those IOU's going to be funded and what will that do to the value of your SS check?
 
The Barbarian said:
I'd like to see this intel say a couple of guys training to fly but not land jets. I'm sure when you make such a statement you do have links right?

I also seem to remember something called the Patriot Act, that was passed "after" 9/11 that had liberals likes yourself running around screaming bloody murder about, can't help but to wonder what you would have said about that act being passed as a Preventative measure.
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TRACES OF TERRORISM - THE WARNINGS - TRACES OF TERRORISM - THE WARNINGS - F.B.I. Knew for Years About Terror Pilot Training - NYTimes.com

And again, existing intelligence and laws would have sufficed to prevent the event. No Patriot Act needed, had the govt been paying attention and taken advantage of what was already allowed.

The "no one could have conceived of using jets as weapons" is SOOO much bull****. During the cold war, FOIA docyments revealed a tentative plan to disguise military aircraft as civilian to fake a hijacking by Cuba. Rejected because they decided the media would see through the ruse, NOT because it was "wrong" in any way. (I can link you to that too, if you like. Got the first one on the first page on Google.
 
pbrauer said:
That's a badge of honor from you, Conservative. If you think Perry can win saying that SS is a Ponzi scheme, fine vote for him in the Texas primary.:2razz:
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If all the voters are as misinformed as you, no he cannot win, but those that understand that SS fund is broke, that acts like a Ponzi scheme and that their contribution was paid to someone else won't be voting for someone who doesn't do something to change the system

By the way it won't matter who I vote for in the TX primary as this state will vote for the Republican candidate regardless of who it is. Obama will lose TX by 3 million votes.
 
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pbrauer said:
If you paid into SS all your life do you care where you benefit come from, Conservative?
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I do. I'm being asked to pay twice. I pay in, the government spends it for all sorts of things that have nothing to do with what it was paid in for and then I have to pay more taxes to repay what they stole out of S.S.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I can read, do you always believe Wikipedia? Trust funds are off budgets, but the surplus isn't and was put on budget in the 60's by LBJ. You can research that. Trust fund doesn't exist as your contribution to SS was spent long before you retired and went to cover others. Do some actual research and stop embarrassing yourself.
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I will say it to you and your lot put your greedy fingers into the SS pot and see how many of your conservative buddies get re-elected, and by the way my anticipating a return on my monies and the millions of other working americans who have contributed through their working years to SS are NOT embarrased by cashing our SS checks, we paid for our SS and intend to collect it
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I can read, do you always believe Wikipedia? Trust funds are off budgets, but the surplus isn't and was put on budget in the 60's by LBJ. You can research that. Trust fund doesn't exist as your contribution to SS was spent long before you retired and went to cover others. Do some actual research and stop embarrassing yourself.
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Hmm Was LBJ before or after your hero, President Reagan?

 
EarlzP said:
I will say it to you and your lot put your greedy fingers into the SS pot and see how many of your conservative buddies get re-elected, and by the way my anticipating a return on my monies and the millions of other working americans who have contributed through their working years to SS are NOT embarrased by cashing our SS checks, we paid for our SS and intend to collect it
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Earlz, you just show how brainwashed you are. Your money is gone, that doesn't mean you will not get someone else's but the fact is you don't have a clue. Too bad you aren't as concerned as to where your contribution went in the first place.
 
TurtleDude said:
why do you support the government stealing that out of your paycheck when anyone with an IQ of normal or better can invest that money at far better rates
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And lose a huge chunk of it like many I know did the next time an artificial bubble or enron-style fraud happens. I don't gamble recreationally, I'm highly unlikely.to do so with retirement funds, especially knowing the extent to which the game on Wall St is and has always been, rigged.
 
pbrauer said:
Hmm Was LBJ before or after your hero, President Reagan?

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Ronald Reagan took over a SS system that was going broke, he raised FICA taxes to cover the shortfall and expected future Presidents to not use the surplus like Previous Presidents did. He was wrong just like you are wrong now
 
Conservative said:
By the way it won't matter who I vote for in the TX primary as this state will vote for the Republican candidate regardless of who it is. Obama will lose TX by 3 million votes.
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He didn't win Texas in '08 either, so I doubt he's really worried about that.
 
Conservative said:
Ronald Reagan took over a SS system that was going broke, he raised FICA taxes to cover the shortfall and expected future Presidents to not use the surplus like Previous Presidents did. He was wrong just like you are wrong now
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Whoa. A Republican just said Reagan was less than god-like. In fact, you said "He was wrong."

Did Hell freeze over?
 
rocket88 said:
He didn't win Texas in '08 either, so I doubt he's really worried about that.
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Obama's results will be on the ballot, not your perception of what a nice person he is. Results matter, not rhetoric
 
rocket88 said:
Whoa. A Republican just said Reagan was less than god-like. In fact, you said "He was wrong."

Did Hell freeze over?
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Reagan had no way of knowing that future Presidents would use the SS surplus if any to fund other programs. When are you going to understand that your SS money is gone, being used to pay my SS? Thank you. Tell that to your kids or maybe even you when you are old enough to collect SS and after taking advantage of that Payroll Tax cut Obama announced tonight. Interesting how liberals are the ones cutting SS with that tax cut.
 
Conservative said:
Obama's results will be on the ballot, not your perception of what a nice person he is. Results matter, not rhetoric
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Yes, but the point is he didn't win Texas in '08, and he still won the election. He's not worried about winning Texas.

I submit that he would have lost Texas no matter what his results were. He could have fixed the economy and balanced the budget while moonwalking across the Gulf of Mexico, and he would have lost Texas. There are blind partisans on both sides.
 
Conservative said:
Ronald Reagan took over a SS system that was going broke, he raised FICA taxes to cover the shortfall and expected future Presidents to not use the surplus like Previous Presidents did. He was wrong just like you are wrong now
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Anybody got a breakdown of which admins/congresses dipped into the SS trust funds and for how much? Sounds like the same old "starve the beast" bs that been playing out for the last 30 years or so. Spend every penny you can, then point to the empty piggy bank as a reason to cut spending, pass out the savings in tax cuts, repeat until govt goes completely broke and all those annoying social programs die on the vine.
 
Conservative said:
Reagan had no way of knowing that future Presidents would use the SS surplus if any to fund other programs. When are you going to understand that your SS money is gone, being used to pay my SS? Thank you. Tell that to your kids or maybe even you when you are old enough to collect SS and after taking advantage of that Payroll Tax cut Obama announced tonight. Interesting how liberals are the ones cutting SS with that tax cut.
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Blah, blah, Obama, blah blah....

You said Reagan was wrong. That's priceless.
 
Conservative said:
Reagan had no way of knowing that future Presidents would use the SS surplus if any to fund other programs. When are you going to understand that your SS money is gone, being used to pay my SS? Thank you. Tell that to your kids or maybe even you when you are old enough to collect SS and after taking advantage of that Payroll Tax cut Obama announced tonight. Interesting how liberals are the ones cutting SS with that tax cut.
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Just more of the same good cop/bad cop crap we've been seeing for years on behalf of monied interests.
 
What if...? said:
Anybody got a breakdown of which admins/congresses dipped into the SS trust funds and for how much? Sounds like the same old "starve the beast" bs that been playing out for the last 30 years or so. Spend every penny you can, then point to the empty piggy bank as a reason to cut spending, pass out the savings in tax cuts, repeat until govt goes completely broke and all those annoying social programs die on the vine.
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Every President BUT Reagan has taken money from SS and put it on budget. SS was never created to have the surplus put on the budget and then spent. tha tis why there are trillions of IOU's now. Any idea what SS benefits are going to be worth when the SS IOU's are cashed in with borrowed or printed money?
 
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