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Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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I just love it when you make a fool of yourself. Do some research to find the accuracy or do you have no pride?
Okay here you go conservative:

Carter Jobs
Gain/Loss
YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecTOTAL
1977263295410314302324256209383202327212
1978114293453636309424205286209297401266
1979111233417-83359263131281495788
19801105442-432-302-307-2402681932242512139190
Bush Jobs
Gain/Loss
2001-47-10-69-328-81-236-173-193-268-358-343-207
2002-154-160-65-97-7810-92-61-12113-14-163
200345-156-198-3422-41-23515514941113
200415831300224310944210115133028131
20059423114634614226427518981100304138
2006313286262166484151147856190175
200719058200571115017-955749838
20084-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636141
 
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Okay here you go conservative:

Carter Jobs
Gain/Loss
Year
Jan
Feb
Mar
Apr
May
Jun
Jul
Aug
Sep
Oct
Nov
Dec
TOTAL
1977
263
295
410
314
302
324
256
209
383
202
327
212
1978
114
293
453
636
309
424
205
286
209
297
401
266
1979
111
233
417
-83
359
263
1
3
128
149
57
88
1980
110
54
42
-432
-302
-307
-240
268
193
224
251
213
9190
Bush Jobs
Gain/Loss
2001
-47
-10
-69
-328
-81
-236
-173
-193
-268
-358
-343
-207
2002
-154
-160
-65
-97
-78
10
-92
-61
-12
113
-14
-163
2003
45
-156
-198
-34
22
-41
-2
35
155
149
41
113
2004
158
31
300
224
310
94
42
101
151
330
28
131
2005
94
231
146
346
142
264
275
189
81
100
304
138
2006
313
286
262
166
4
84
151
147
85
6
190
175
2007
190
58
200
57
111
50
17
-95
5
74
98
38
2008
4
-128
-87
-186
-240
-217
-265
-317
-434
-491
-787
-636
141
You excluded January, 2009 ... -841 -- Bush total, 8 years, -653,000 jobs in the private sector.
 
You excluded January, 2009 ... -841 -- Bush total, 8 years, -653,000 jobs in the private sector.
Yes, I know, I used Jan-Dec instead of Feb-Jan. It's close enough for what I wanted it for.
 
Okay here you go conservative:

Carter Jobs
Gain/Loss
YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecTOTAL
1977263295410314302324256209383202327212
1978114293453636309424205286209297401266
1979111233417-83359263131281495788
19801105442-432-302-307-2402681932242512139190
Bush Jobs
Gain/Loss
2001-47-10-69-328-81-236-173-193-268-358-343-207
2002-154-160-65-97-7810-92-61-12113-14-163
200345-156-198-3422-41-23515514941113
200415831300224310944210115133028131
20059423114634614226427518981100304138
2006313286262166484151147856190175
200719058200571115017-955749838
20084-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636141

I was talking about the total results of the Bush Administration, not just the job creation since you only mentioned Wolffe not his jobs' chart, but I do thank the Democrat Congress for their help in 2007-2008. They were awesome in their efforts especially Frank, Dodd, Obama, and of course Geithner.
 
no. Bush launched a series of tax credits in 2001 - the tax rate cuts came in 2003.

You will never get someone with BDS to acknowledge this fact but you will get people with BDS to always divert from the threat topic and the Obama results.
 
Why should businesses create jobs in America, or even stay in America, when they are being forced to pay more in taxes, health care, and a myriad of regulations that are strngling business owners? Americans are killing the Golden Goose.

Sorry, but 30 years of tax cuts, deregulation and excessive greed by our financial sector did that...not to mention two unfunded wars and a prescription drug benefit, both of which went unpaid for. And then you have the issue of this country shifting from being a nation of manufacturers to a nation of consumers hooked on credit and debt. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this nation has had three Republican presidents for 20 of the last 30 years. If Republicans truly believed there was a disparity between taxation and our manufacturing base that was driving businesses abroad, why didn't they do something about this sooner?
 
Sorry, but 30 years of tax cuts, deregulation and excessive greed by our financial sector did that...not to mention two unfunded wars and a prescription drug benefit, both of which went unpaid for. And then you have the issue of this country shifting from being a nation of manufacturers to a nation of consumers hooked on credit and debt. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this nation has had three Republican presidents for 20 of the last 30 years. If Republicans truly believed there was a disparity between taxation and our manufacturing base that was driving businesses abroad, why didn't they do something about this sooner?

How about greed on the part of the politicians who want dependence and ignore personal responsibility? Why is it always greed on the part of business but never how our money is spent by the Govt? Love how liberals always want to give those politicians more money to reward their "effecient" use of the dollars they have gotten in the past.
 
Some opinionated drivel :2razz:

1.) The potential federal government shutdown combined with S&P's downgrade of the U.S. credit rating formed an enormous wall to climb in order to maintain job creation (and the private sector continues to grow albeit at a slower than desired pace). Monetary policy continues to be up against the zero bound. For those who are interested; demand for money in a zero interest rate environment combined with a significant output gap signifies the U.S. economy is in a liquidity trap.

2.) Government employment continues to decline at a moderate pace. More than 450,000 (@ a pace of -37,500 a month) government positions have been eliminated since August 2010. In the meantime, the private sector seems incapable of taking up the slack as only 175,000 (@ a pace of 14,333 per month) private sector jobs have been created since August 2010. Such data only strengthens the position of a liquidity trap being that gross domestic private investment persists @ 2004 levels.

3.) Despite massive “cash" infusions from the Federal Reserve Bank to the U.S. banking system, consumer access to credit has created the type of uncertainty that generates a glut of savings at the expense of gross domestic private investment. Take a look at the data sets for consumer credit during previous recessions.

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This above is what creates business uncertainty; lack of credit to consumers creates a heap of trouble. Small businesses that operate based on a "variable-cost" business model will find little rational to expand given a credit strapped consumer. It could take years for the largest banks in this country to cleanse their balance sheets to the point where they are willing to lend to consumers in a fashion that creates business certainty; a certainty that begins with a return of investment.

With this in mind, how does anyone propose we take on a liquidity trap?
 
I believe history will not treat Bush well here. Not that this is what we were discussing.

Seems it's always BUT BUSH.

You're right that it won't treat bush well. Like not Obama either overall. But too many forget Bush's role in things. If we accept Bush played a role, I think we can move on from there.
 
To me - An August and September lag or marginal gain isn't a concern. In this country countless people are going back to college and leaving their summer jobs (school teachers and students alike) - this, comfortably, accounts for millions of job fluctuations without raising concern.

I wouldn't fret - what would be more telling are the times where an upswing is traditional - and then that doesn't happen.
 
Boo, you are a legend in your own mind, duely noted. That isn't what I stated and you know it. Let's see if I can be clear, I DID NOT SUPPORT TARP!!!!!!!!! Get someone to read English for you.

Say what you like. But it would be nice if you addressed the point. :coffeepap
 
You're right that it won't treat bush well. Like not Obama either overall. But too many forget Bush's role in things. If we accept Bush played a role, I think we can move on from there.

Playing a role is a given, being instrumental in that role is another thing. We don't elect a King but many here blame Bush but somehow ignore what Obama has done so I guess Bush was a king and we eliminated that role when Obama took office.
 
Some opinionated drivel :2razz:

1.) The potential federal government shutdown combined with S&P's downgrade of the U.S. credit rating formed an enormous wall to climb in order to maintain job creation (and the private sector continues to grow albeit at a slower than desired pace). Monetary policy continues to be up against the zero bound. For those who are interested; demand for money in a zero interest rate environment combined with a significant output gap signifies the U.S. economy is in a liquidity trap.

2.) Government employment continues to decline at a moderate pace. More than 450,000 (@ a pace of -37,500 a month) government positions have been eliminated since August 2010. In the meantime, the private sector seems incapable of taking up the slack as only 175,000 (@ a pace of 14,333 per month) private sector jobs have been created since August 2010. Such data only strengthens the position of a liquidity trap being that gross domestic private investment persists @ 2004 levels.

3.) Despite massive “cash" infusions from the Federal Reserve Bank to the U.S. banking system, consumer access to credit has created the type of uncertainty that generates a glut of savings at the expense of gross domestic private investment. Take a look at the data sets for consumer credit during previous recessions.

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fredgraph.png


fredgraph.png


This above is what creates business uncertainty; lack of credit to consumers creates a heap of trouble. Small businesses that operate based on a "variable-cost" business model will find little rational to expand given a credit strapped consumer. It could take years for the largest banks in this country to cleanse their balance sheets to the point where they are willing to lend to consumers in a fashion that creates business certainty; a certainty that begins with a return of investment.

With this in mind, how does anyone propose we take on a liquidity trap?

Not sure what you you mean by "take on a liquidity trap"?
 
. In this country countless people are going back to college and leaving their summer jobs (school teachers and students alike) - this, comfortably, accounts for millions of job fluctuations without raising concern.

Seasonal adjustment takes care of this discrepancy;)
 
Not sure what you you mean by "take on a liquidity trap"?

Oh....

Are there any policy initiatives that can take us out of a liquidity trap?
 
You excluded January, 2009 ... -841 -- Bush total, 8 years, -653,000 jobs in the private sector.

Is there really a point to looking backwards at someone who most acknowledge was a lousy President. Is your goal to prove that our lousy president is better than your lousy president.

It would be great to hear a Lincoln/Douglas type of debate during the next election cycle about new, workable ideas to adjust the economy to better compete in the 21st century. Versus the boring back and forth over failed ideas, be it solely tax cuts or short term government spending.
 
Is there really a point to looking backwards at someone who most acknowledge was a lousy President. Is your goal to prove that our lousy president is better than your lousy president.

It would be great to hear a Lincoln/Douglas type of debate during the next election cycle about new, workable ideas to adjust the economy to better compete in the 21st century. Versus the boring back and forth over failed ideas, be it solely tax cuts or short term government spending.

When you have the results of the current President supporters have to look back to divert from discussing that record for that is all they have.
 
Is there really a point to looking backwards at someone who most acknowledge was a lousy President. Is your goal to prove that our lousy president is better than your lousy president.

It would be great to hear a Lincoln/Douglas type of debate during the next election cycle about new, workable ideas to adjust the economy to better compete in the 21st century. Versus the boring back and forth over failed ideas, be it solely tax cuts or short term government spending.

It's more of a "don't throw stones when your house is made of glass" thing.
 
Playing a role is a given, being instrumental in that role is another thing. We don't elect a King but many here blame Bush but somehow ignore what Obama has done so I guess Bush was a king and we eliminated that role when Obama took office.

No ignoring obama. Just noting there is plenty of blame to go around, and trying to get across to you that government isn't the answer. Leaders have limited ability to effect the economy, and almost no ability to control it, . . . unless of course YOU want the government to take over production.
 
When you have the results of the current President supporters have to look back to divert from discussing that record for that is all they have.

Nope! See above ;)
 
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No ignoring obama. Just noting there is plenty of blame to go around, and trying to get across to you that government isn't the answer. Leaders have limited ability to effect the economy, and almost no ability to control it, . . . unless of course YOU want the government to take over production.

You telling me that politicians controlling 3.7 trillion dollars of our money don't impact the private sector? Policy affects incentive and private sector growth thus job creation and when you have the power of the purse that is huge control.
 
Oh....

Are there any policy initiatives that can take us out of a liquidity trap?

Well the weak dollar policy we are following will over time drive people to want to hold less dollars. If we had a policy to harness our natural gas and shale oil that would greatly decrease the dollars we pay for energy. We could attempt to give some sort of benefit to companies that onshore versus offshore their manufacturing. The Fed with with QEs seem to be trying to backdoor inflation and you may see a new target. Something I have read talked about nominal GDP or NGDP targeting. So if that target stays in the 5-6% range, and growth is downgraded to an expected rate of 1.5% then the Fed would target inflation of 3.5-4.5%. Their current target being about 2%.
 
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