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Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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Conservative said:
Obama liked it so much that he increased it to 16.2 and did so by spending about a trillion dollars.
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Non-sequitur.

You tried to make the claim that the 1981 recession was worse than Bush's Great Recession and you pointed to the unemployment rate skyrocketing to 10.8%. Well by your standards, Bush's Great Recession was worse because it was up to 14% when Bush finally fled Washington.
 
the makeout hobo said:
What I'm saying is that spending cuts have a negative effect on the economy. Right now, the last thing we need is anything that has a negative effect on the economy. We have some of the lowest taxes since WWII, I don't think taxes are the issue. Bush and the GOP spend most of the last decade dismantling regulations or disregarding them by staffing industry people in oversight boards (something Obama's not much better at.) I don't think less taxes or regulations are really going to help much, here. But cutting spending WILL hurt the economy.
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The best thing for the economy would be for Obama to announce next week that he is resigning after apologizing for screwing up the U.S. Economy.
 
Conservative said:
The best thing for the economy would be for Obama to announce next week that he is resigning after apologizing for screwing up the U.S. Economy.
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I give you exhibit A: a nonsequiter that does not directly address anything I said. Obviously, con has no leg to stand on here.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Non-sequitur.

You tried to make the claim that the 1981 recession was worse than Bush's Great Recession and you pointed to the unemployment rate skyrocketing to 10.8%. Well by your standards, Bush's Great Recession was worse because it was up to 14% when Bush finally fled Washington.
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Lived and worked both and know that to be a fact. try 17.5% home mortgage rates, high inflation, rising unemployment, a 20 misery index. Nice diversion from the Obama record but it isn't going to work. Just a reminder.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
 
Conservative said:
Thanks for proving me right, you didn't even look at the link you posted. Better take the weekend off
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:lamo :lamo Your numbers don't match!! :lamo :lamo

Your numbers:

2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627


BLS numbers:

2009 142201 141687 140822 140902 140720 140292 139978 139794 138791 138393 138590 137960
2010 138511 138698 138952 139382 139353 139092 138991 139267 139378 139084 138909 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627

But g'head, keep up the delusions that I'm proving you right! :lamo
 
the makeout hobo said:
I give you exhibit A: a nonsequiter that does not directly address anything I said. Obviously, con has no leg to stand on here.
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How did Bush or the GOP generate these numbers?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
:lamo :lamo Your numbers don't match!! :lamo :lamo

Your numbers:

2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627


BLS numbers:

2009 142201 141687 140822 140902 140720 140292 139978 139794 138791 138393 138590 137960
2010 138511 138698 138952 139382 139353 139092 138991 139267 139378 139084 138909 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627

But g'head, keep up the delusions that I'm proving you right! :lamo
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Let's see, 142.2 million employed in January 2009 and 139.6 million employed in August 2012, the difference is ????????? Hmmmm.
 
Conservative said:
How did Bush or the GOP generate these numbers?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
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Again, a nonsequiter. We're not talking about any issue other than change in job growth. Stay on target, "like laser beam".
 
the makeout hobo said:
Again, a nonsequiter. We're not talking about any issue other than change in job growth. Stay on target, "like laser beam".
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I have given you the job growth since he took office, there is a net job loss that didn't begin when the GOP took over the House. Prior to the GOP taking the House Obama spent a trillion dollars to generate jobs and failed. It has nothing to do with spending cuts but rather confidence in this administration and the anti business pro union attitude of this administration.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Two more months like we had in August and Obama will be sporting a net gain in job growth in the private sector.

Conservative said:
Better sell that to the Administration that doesn't believe it. 142.2 employed when he took office and 139.6 million today. I don't see 2.6 million jobs being created in the next two months, do you?
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Is it a goal of yours to make a fool of yourself because you don't understand what people write or is it just accidental?
 
I'll catch up in a bit folks, I have a paper on zoning regulations to write. Have fun!
 
Ikari said:
but....but....Conservative says there's no such thing! Those....those are just tax cuts.
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Nobody says any such thing. I only see you saying it.
 
Conservative said:
Let's see, 142.2 million employed in January 2009 and 139.6 million employed in August 2012, the difference is ????????? Hmmmm.
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That's it? No apology to the forum for repeatedly posting false numbers? Even after you were informed your numbers were wrong.

I'm guessing real conservatives are embarrassed by you. You make them look bad.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's it? No apology to the forum for repeatedly posting false numbers? Even after you were informed your numbers were wrong.

I'm guessing real conservatives are embarrassed by you. You make them look bad.
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I suggest you stop with the personal attacks and stick to the issues. It is going to take over 2.6 million net job gain just to get even with what Obama inherited. Net employment is the issue and will be on the ballot in 2012. live with it
 
pbrauer said:
Are you going to admit you were wrong about the jobs lost in Nov, or are you now just trying to change the subject?

Bush Numbers was because of the housing bubble that burst in 2008, that's undeniable. Credit card economy.
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I come back to find 20 new pages. I only followed up to where I see you post again. Are you going to address our earlier discussion or not? You complained about people not having money because of all the jobs that went overseas and then badgered another poster to address that point.

I addressed it by noting it was a problem that Obama said he would address but hasn't. Would we not be on a better path today if he had and why hasn't he?
 
Conservative said:
I suggest you stop with the personal attacks and stick to the issues. It is going to take over 2.6 million net job gain just to get even with what Obama inherited. Net employment is the issue and will be on the ballot in 2012. live with it
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as has been shown to you even with net job gains unemployment can still go up.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's it? No apology to the forum for repeatedly posting false numbers? Even after you were informed your numbers were wrong.

I'm guessing real conservatives are embarrassed by you. You make them look bad.
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Let's take a look at private sector employment which shows Obama to still have quite a problem. January 2009 there were 110.9 million employed and in August that was 109.2 Million or a 1.7 million difference. Doubt that he can generate 1.7 million in a couple months and probably won't do it by the end of his term so that job chart you love to post will soon have a new leader at the bottom on job creation chart.

2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109153 109170
 
Conservative said:
I suggest you stop with the personal attacks and stick to the issues.
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:roll:

Ummm, Mr. Pot . . .

  • "I gave you the link to BLS, hope you enjoy the cite which will help your credibility which isn't too good right now" ~ Conservative

  • "As for control of Congress, obviously you don't even know what Congress is if you believe Republicans control it. Better stop while way behind. Let another liberal here explain it to you." ~ Conservative

  • "Suggest you better start learning about those sites if you are going to try and be credible which it doesn't appear that you are." ~ Conservative

  • "Trolling doesn't advance your cause." ~ Conservative

  • "Please stop reading the MSM as you are looking foolish." ~ Conservative

  • "Maybe you ought to type less and think and research more." ~ Conservative

  • "What the hell are you talking about, the stock market ended up about even for the month. Once again you have no clue as to what you are talking about." ~ Conservative
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
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Ummm, Mr. Pot . . .

  • "I gave you the link to BLS, hope you enjoy the cite which will help your credibility which isn't too good right now" ~ Conservative

  • "As for control of Congress, obviously you don't even know what Congress is if you believe Republicans control it. Better stop while way behind. Let another liberal here explain it to you." ~ Conservative

  • "Suggest you better start learning about those sites if you are going to try and be credible which it doesn't appear that you are." ~ Conservative

  • "Trolling doesn't advance your cause." ~ Conservative

  • "Please stop reading the MSM as you are looking foolish." ~ Conservative

  • "Maybe you ought to type less and think and research more." ~ Conservative

  • "What the hell are you talking about, the stock market ended up about even for the month. Once again you have no clue as to what you are talking about." ~ Conservative
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Looks like "Fatal Attraction" to me. Your obsession with me is quite interesting. Stick around you may just learn something of value about being a liberal
 
1Perry said:
I come back to find 20 new pages. I only followed up to where I see you post again. Are you going to address our earlier discussion or not? You complained about people not having money because of all the jobs that went overseas and then badgered another poster to address that point.

I addressed it by noting it was a problem that Obama said he would address but hasn't. Would we not be on a better path today if he had and why hasn't he?
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What did Obama say or promise regarding jobs that went overseas? The facts are that he's not a king, only a lowly POTUS. The Democrats tried to get money for the 911 first responders by eliminating tax incentives companies get for moving jobs oversea, but the Republicans resisted.
 
Conservative said:
Let's take a look at private sector employment which shows Obama to still have quite a problem. January 2009 there were 110.9 million employed and in August that was 109.2 Million or a 1.7 million difference. Doubt that he can generate 1.7 million in a couple months and probably won't do it by the end of his term so that job chart you love to post will soon have a new leader at the bottom on job creation chart.

2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109153 109170
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No one is looking at your numbers. Post a link, because it's well established that you post fake data.

The economy lost two million jobs in Bush's last four months. That's what Obama had to deal with.
 
AdamT said:
No one is looking at your numbers. Post a link, because it's well established that you post fake data.

The economy lost two million jobs in Bush's last four months. That's what Obama had to deal with.
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I have posted the link, get someone to help you click on it. It is 2 1/2 years later, Adam, your loyalty is noticed but not your logic and common sense.
 
Conservative said:
Let's take a look at private sector employment which shows Obama to still have quite a problem. January 2009 there were 110.9 million employed and in August that was 109.2 Million or a 1.7 million difference. Doubt that he can generate 1.7 million in a couple months and probably won't do it by the end of his term so that job chart you love to post will soon have a new leader at the bottom on job creation chart.

2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109153 109170
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Hey, look at that, everybody -- Conservative just switched data charts again. Every reference he made to employment/unemployment numbers he's been posting until now came from houshold survey data. I point out that private sector jobs are down just 600K under Obama according to household survey data and what does con do? He does what he always does -- he cherry picks data, this time, by abandoning the household survey data he swears by in favor of payroll data because payroll data reflects a bigger loss of jobs in the private sector.
 
Conservative said:
Looks like "Fatal Attraction" to me. Your obsession with me is quite interesting. Stick around you may just learn something of value about being a liberal
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Is that what you call shining a spotlight on your hypcorisy?
 
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