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Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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Yep, Bush average unemployment rate under 6% and Obama's over 9. Now there is a record that liberals are proud of.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
 
Yep, Bush average unemployment rate under 6% and Obama's over 9. Now there is a record that liberals are proud of.
That's because you're intionally ignoring the unemployment level each president inherited. Unemployment under Obama has increased 17%. If Bush wasn't the total failure he turned out to be and handed Obama an unemployment rate as low as the one he himself inherited, than that 17% increase on top of a 4.2% unemployment rate would put unemployment somewhere in the neighborhood of 4.9% today.

But of course, what's a Conservative to do? Hide those numbers by averaging the numbers out, which of course conceals ...

Bush, unemployment went from 4.2% to 7.8% -- a 3.6 point jump (86% increase)
Obama, unemployment went from 7.8% to 9.1% -- a 1.3 point jump (17% increase)

Be careful, Con, there's a bunch of numbers in there -- I don't want you to get hurt. :cool:
 
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Either way you slice it, GWB still averaged a higher unemployment rate leading up to when the Democrats controlled Congress during his presidency whether they took over in 2006 or 2007. Only a fool would continue to play partisan games with the numbers you continue to post because the facts just don't support your claim.

GW Bush isn't in the WH and Obama was hired to "Clean up" the Bush mess and he has failed.

"Whether they took over in 2006 or 2007?" You have to be kidding me. You don't know when the election was and are trying to tell me or anyone else that you know what you are talking about? Bye
 
That's because your intionally ignoring the unemployment level each president inherited. Unemployment under Obama has increased 17%. If Bush wasn't the total failure he turned out to be and handed Obama an unemployment rate as low as the one he himself inherited, than that 17% increase on top of a 4.2% unemployment rate would put unemployment somewhere in the neighborhood of 4.9% today.

But of course, what's a Conservative to do? Hide those numbers by averaging the numbers out, which of course conceals ...

Bush, unemployment went from 4.2% to 7.8% -- a 3.6 point jump (86% increase)
Obama, unemployment went from 7.8% to 9.1% -- a 1.3 point jump (17% increase)

Be careful, Con, there's a bunch of numbers in there -- I don't want you to get hurt. :cool:

Put the averages side by side, Sheik, and then ask the 25+ million unemployed and under employed, or the 16.7% black unemployed if they care about the percentage change between Bush and Obama?

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008 5.0 4.8 5.1 4.9 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.3
2009 7.8 8.2 8.6 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.7 9.8 10.1 9.9 9.9
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.8 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8 9.4
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1
 
My position is that the republicans and republican pressure is largely to blame for the poor job growth. Let's look at some more recent numbers, conservative.

Jobs created, per thousands, by month

Jan 68
Feb 235
Mar 194
Apr 217 (GOP threatens to shutdown gov., gets major spending cuts)
May 53
Jun 20
Jul 85 (may-jul: spending cuts take effect, GOP holds debt ceiling raise hostage, gets more spending cuts)
Aug 0 (GOP wins even more spending cuts)


So it seems to me, that the GOP's crusade for spending cuts is doing some harm to the economy. Now, I'll do something Conservative never does: give a source for my numbers!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/PAYEMS.txt
 
And you ignore the recession of 81-82 which was worse. This recession ended June 2009 and the results today are worse than when he took office, that is a fact and his responsibility.
What was the manufacturing base back then, compared to now. Today, I go into a store and all I see is China -everywhere. And I'm not talking about dishes.
 

Hmmm, that record didn't last long, did it? Obama is shattering it. Still waiting for you to put the Bush/Obama record side by side

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008 5.0 4.8 5.1 4.9 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.3
2009 7.8 8.2 8.6 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.7 9.8 10.1 9.9 9.9
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.8 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8 9.4
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1
 
What was the manufacturing base back then, compared to now. Today, I go into a store and all I see is China -everywhere. And I'm not talking about dishes.

Obama ran on saving jobs and preventing companies from offshoring. What has he done to do that?
 
Con, are you going to completely ignore my post? I figured as much.
 
And you ignore the recession of 81-82 which was worse. This recession ended June 2009 and the results today are worse than when he took office, that is a fact and his responsibility.

EmployRecessAug2011.jpg

Your claim about 81-82 being worse has been proven false.
 
I am taking on about five different people here, I may get around to you but then again maybe not.

It's ok, I'll just keep on bringing up all the ways you're wrong, in the mean time. Like the above lie you just told about the 81-82 recession.
 
Con, are you going to completely ignore my post? I figured as much.

Waste of time. You can prove him wrong on a point a hundred times and he'll trot it out for the 101st time like nothing ever happened.
 
My position is that the republicans and republican pressure is largely to blame for the poor job growth. Let's look at some more recent numbers, conservative.

Jobs created, per thousands, by month

Jan 68
Feb 235
Mar 194
Apr 217 (GOP threatens to shutdown gov., gets major spending cuts)
May 53
Jun 20
Jul 85 (may-jul: spending cuts take effect, GOP holds debt ceiling raise hostage, gets more spending cuts)
Aug 0 (GOP wins even more spending cuts)


So it seems to me, that the GOP's crusade for spending cuts is doing some harm to the economy. Now, I'll do something Conservative never does: give a source for my numbers!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/PAYEMS.txt

Thanks, makeout hobo.

You just proved what myself and others have been saying for a while now...obstructionist actions by the GOP are what's killing job growth in the country. Very little of it can be blamed on the policies of the Obama Administration as some would have one believe. Contrary to popular belif, the economy was showing signs of recovery until the budget battles loomed and GOP governors started forcing public employees off the rolls. Things started going downhill from there.
 
There are jobs available. Its not the employers' faults that the people out of work don't have the skills needed for them. It's not Obama's, either. Until those people smarten up, we're likely to see this high of an unemployment for quite some time. I've been saying that this is likely to be the new normal since I joined this board. The government's done about as much as it can to fix this. The government won't fix this and neither will the free market. It'll either be death or the changing of human nature. I'm not sure which will come sooner :shrug:
 
Put the averages side by side, Sheik, and then ask the 25+ million unemployed and under employed, or the 16.7% black unemployed if they care about the percentage change between Bush and Obama?

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008 5.0 4.8 5.1 4.9 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.3
2009 7.8 8.2 8.6 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.7 9.8 10.1 9.9 9.9
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.8 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8 9.4
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1
You sure are desperate to average those numbers out, eh Con? I wonder why?

Oh wait, here's why ... because it hides the fact that Clinton nearly halved unemployment ... because it hides the fact that Bush nearly doubled unemployment ... because it hides the fact that unemployment has only gone up 17% under Obama ... because it hides the fact that Bush benefitted from the housing bubble during those years before it burst.

No wonder you're desperate.
 
Sorry, that is bull****, 10.8%unemployment, 20 misery index, 17.5% + mortgate rates and it started in July 1981 ended in Nov. 1982 due to a pro growth economic policy.

Now con, there's an amazing concept I'm going to explain to you. When you make a claim about facts, you back up the claim with a link to facts. Otherwise, I have no idea whether you're making things up or not. I at least have linked to sources for my claims. If you look at the graph I posted, the peak job loss for 81-82 was about 3%, vs over 6% in this one. We're in a much deeper hole, here. Or is there another metric you deem more indicative of how bad a recession was?

Did you live and work during the 81-82 recession?
Personal anecdotes have no place in a dispute about facts.
 
Thanks, makeout hobo.

You just proved what myself and others have been saying for a while now...obstructionist actions by the GOP are what's killing job growth in the country. Very little of it can be blamed on the policies of the Obama Administration as some would have one believe. Contrary to popular belif, the economy was showing signs of recovery until the budget battles loomed and GOP governors started forcing public employees off the rolls. Things started going downhill from there.

Employment during the Obama Administration, January 2009 142.2 million employed, August 2011 139.6. U-6 unemployment 16.2%. Spin the actual numbers?

2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627
 
There are jobs available. Its not the employers' faults that the people out of work don't have the skills needed for them. It's not Obama's, either. Until those people smarten up, we're likely to see this high of an unemployment for quite some time. I've been saying that this is likely to be the new normal since I joined this board. The government's done about as much as it can to fix this. The government won't fix this and neither will the free market. It'll either be death or the changing of human nature. I'm not sure which will come sooner :shrug:

So, those jobs that are available either require skills or an education, both of which are commonly learned at a place of higher education today (vocation school or university). Since people that are out of work don't have money to pay for an education to learn new skills, what would you propose is done about that? If they're unemployed, they don't have money to pay for school.
 
I won't be voting for Bush in 2012.
If you're going to vote for a Republican, you will be voting for the exact same economic playbook Bush worked from. So yeah, you will be voting for Bush in 2012.
 
Employment during the Obama Administration, January 2009 142.2 million employed, August 2011 139.6. U-6 unemployment 16.2%. Spin the actual numbers?

2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627

I refuse to believe your numbers until you link to a source for your numbers. I'm going to say employment was a bazillion jobs. Prove me wrong. Also, like I said, the current drop is due to GOP backed spending cuts.
 
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