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Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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Conservative said:
Really? You believe I started the SS off topic discussion?
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I believe you went with it, and defended Perry. To which I answered YOU. YOU then went on with the discussion and only backtracked when you were asked to actually learn what a Ponzi scheme was.
 
Conservative said:
Now I realize how smart you are so it would seem to me that you would learn from what you believe was my mistake. Why would you duplicate what you believe was a mistake of mine by voting for Obama?
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Because I'm smart enough to recognize that Obama is doing better than Bush even though Bush inherited an unemployment rate of 4.2% while Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 7.8%, the highest unemployment rate any president inherited from his predecessor since FDR in 1933.

While you choose to ignore that one little detail, I do not.
 
Michael H said:
But he started with low unemployment which reached 6.3% in 2003 and then went down as housing starts kicked in. He was good until the end of his second term.

Obama started with high unemployment and a manufacturing base that had been exported ... hence any stimulus would be less effective.

If you measure devastation ... at the end of Bushes term it was a result of Clinton's policies ... China PNTR Oct 2000.

I'll take Bush's economy ... just for the job creation from the housing starts.

In the end these guys had economies that were not comparable ... anymore then they could be compared to Clinton's.

Decisions can be judged ...
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Umm, it was that very same housing bubble which fueled the economy during the mid-2000's which led to the financial meltdown that occurred in 2008.
 
Obama is a republican. He continued wars from Bush ... started up in Libya. Extended "temporary" tax cuts. And has three more trade/job export agreements in the works with pubs. He stymied the NY Attorneys investigation to eliminate criminal punishment. He attacked Medicaid and Medicare ... while maintaining the defense budget. He's not a liberal in my book. If continued republican policy makes democrats feel relevant ... continue supporting his pub policies.

What separates Obama from the pubs? As Boehner stated ... 98% ... I'll take that to mean 98% republican certified beef.
 
winston53660 said:
You just want to ignore that -9% GDP, financial institutions tettering on the brink of insolvency, losing 700k jobs per month......
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Gee whiz! Which one of Bush's policies caused that? Please, tell specifically which one of Bush's policies is responsible. Thanks in advance.
 
apdst said:
Gee whiz! Which one of Bush's policies caused that? Please, tell specifically which one of Bush's policies is responsible. Thanks in advance.
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Going to war and not raising taxes to pay for it.
 
winston53660 said:
Going to war and not raising taxes to pay for it.
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Ohhhhhhhhhh, is that it? What happened to the whole, "government spending will create jobs", mantra?

You're not for real, right? :lamo
 
winston53660 said:
BZZZZZT wrong right there he did not start up Libya. The Libyan people did that.
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Support is a choice, the President made that choice and told Congress to go %#% themselves.

As a progressive liberal ... I expected him to get our ass out of the wars as he stated he would ... he's taking his sweet arse time.
 
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apdst said:
Gee whiz! Which one of Bush's policies caused that? Please, tell specifically which one of Bush's policies is responsible. Thanks in advance.
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"Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech​


You're welcome
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
"Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech​


You're welcome
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Umm...huh?...........

It was Bush's policy? Care to show us exactly what policy of his that was? Thanks a million, in advance.
 
apdst said:
Ohhhhhhhhhh, is that it? What happened to the whole, "government spending will create jobs", mantra?

You're not for real, right? :lamo
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WOW foul ball far right field.
 
winston53660 said:
BZZZZZT wrong right there he did not start up Libya. The Libyan people did that.
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I might mention if you don't pay for wars you get inflation or hard asset run ups. As a liberal (not neocon) I expect wars to be paid for ... or get your ass out of the war.
 
apdst said:
Umm...huh?...........

It was Bush's policy? Care to show us exactly what policy of his that was? Thanks a million, in advance.
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WTF? You think Bush was taking credit for someone else's policies ??
 
Hi, I'm President Obama .... cough ahhaa ummmph liberal ... While I'm presenting my jobs plan I'd like to take the opportunity to shove it up elderly Americans rumps. Lets cut costs on medicare ... while we near a close to trillion dollar defense budget. As a liberal you need to know I value War more then the health of Americans ... this is what makes America great ... all of us sharing sacrifice together. These cuts are necessary as I plan to pursue three more GDP export agreements that will cause lost government revenue. Also I'm thinking of pursing interests in Syria ... with our good friends the French. OK me and the old lady are off on separate flights to Vegas. The dog will follow on a separate flight later ... Good night America.

This is the irrelevancy of voting for a Democratic President.

Obama Pushes Medicare Cuts In Jobs Speech
In his jobs speech before Congress Thursday night, President Barack Obama appeared to call on congressional Democrats to cut Medicare, a politically toxic proposal that undercuts a previous Democratic campaign strategy.

Obama pushed to cut Medicare during the debate over raising the federal debt ceiling, urging lawmakers from both parties to accept a "grand bargain" that involved cutting both Social Security and Medicare. Obama's move upset congressional Democrats, who saw a proposal from Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) to radically cut Medicare as an attack ad opening going into the Nov. 2012 elections. House Republicans voted for the Ryan proposal en masse, just months after hordes of GOP freshmen were swept into office amid advertisements vowing to protect the hugely popular entitlement program.
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I like think of it like people playing musical chairs. When the music stops find a chair or don't have a job. Jobs are scarce, people are taking jobs they don't necessarily want to do, or might not have ever qualified for. Results in allot of animosity. It also doesn't help with all the crony things that go on at the top. The big business lobbying, unsustainable Union demands, government (state/federal) caving to almost anyone asking them for money. Government leads the private sector, but yet holds the staple of what a steady job should be.
 
pbrauer said:
I think you are making a huge mistake thinking they will hold him accountable in the election. The public still blames Bush for the economy he handed to Obama.

Here are numbers again with some color.

Private sector jobs gains/losses

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2008 Gains/
Loss		4-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636
2009 Gains/
Loss		-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010 Gains/
Loss		-42-21144229486593110109143128167
2011 Gains/
Loss		94261219241997515617
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Only the brainwashed, braindead, and clueless. Bush had nothing to do with the 2011 results and the brainwashed, braindead, and clueless ignore that Obama was in the Congress that voted for the 2009 budget and was in charge of the legislative process from 2007-2008. The JAR of Obama shows that you are wrong that Obama isn't being held responsible NOW!
 
AdamT said:
No president ever has "total control of Congress". Now, if the republicans weren't filibustering virtually everything it would be a whole different ball game.
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No President in modern history had the overwhelming numbers of his own party in Congress when he took office. Republicans couldn't stop anything Obama wanted thus your claims about filibustering is nothing more than leftwing rhetoric from leftwing sources. Keep ignoring the Obama record NOW, 2 1/2 years after he took office.
 
winston53660 said:
Uhmmm the economy went from negative territory into positive territory in a very fastidious manner considering the situation. And jobs stopped losing 700k per mnth.

There is a lot of things I disagree about how all this went down but turning that around was and is pretty friggen impressive. Especially if you want to toss in the political climate as a factor.
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How many months did Bush lose 700,000 jobs? Bush ended up with a net job gain and after 2 1/2 years plus of Obama we have a net job loss, that is reality.
 
winston53660 said:
You just want to ignore that -9% GDP, financial institutions tettering on the brink of insolvency, losing 700k jobs per month......
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You ignore the one that total control of Congress and gave us the current unemployment we have today. Obama didn't save the financial institutions so keep distorting Obama's record.
 
Boo Radley said:
I believe you went with it, and defended Perry. To which I answered YOU. YOU then went on with the discussion and only backtracked when you were asked to actually learn what a Ponzi scheme was.
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Yes, I jumped in and was taken off topic by Pb and you piled on along with the other liberals who do that to divert from Obama's record
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Because I'm smart enough to recognize that Obama is doing better than Bush even though Bush inherited an unemployment rate of 4.2% while Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 7.8%, the highest unemployment rate any president inherited from his predecessor since FDR in 1933.

While you choose to ignore that one little detail, I do not.
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I have seen no evidence of how smart you are but sure wish I was half as smart as you think you are. You claimed I made a mistake in 2004 so you would duplicate that mistake. If I made a mistake and you make the same mistake that doesn't make you very smart at all.
 
Conservative said:
No President in modern history had the overwhelming numbers of his own party in Congress when he took office. Republicans couldn't stop anything Obama wanted thus your claims about filibustering is nothing more than leftwing rhetoric from leftwing sources. Keep ignoring the Obama record NOW, 2 1/2 years after he took office.
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No president ever has "total control" of Congress. Obama had a 60 seat majority in the Senate. Republicans filibustered nearly everything, meaning that in order to pass anything, Obama either needed 100% support from Dems or minimal support from Republicans -- neither of which is a particularly reasonable expectation. In effect Obama's 60 seat majority was no better than Bush's 50/50 split with Cheney as the deciding vote. Actually it was worse, as Democrats actually didn't vote against everything Bush proposed like a bunch of lemmings.
 
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