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Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

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theplaydrive said:
History of the United States Republican Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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yup.

I think you're confused. The Democratic and Republican Parties were transitioning in the 60s...that was my point. 1965 and 68 were when the great voter shifts happened.
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yes. my point was that yours was crap :).

Listing names does nothing to erase the history of both parties.
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:shrug: racism is indeed a sad and ugly chapter in American history - but to pretend that it somehow belongs especially to the Republican party is ridiculous, and in fact in opposition to the actual historical balance of racial policy
 
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haymarket said:
Death will do that to you. But I work most days of the week with Democrats in positions of power and I have never ever heard anyone express anything approaching revulsion about LBJ or JFK or Clinton. That just plain incorrect and has no basis in fact.
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what?!? but, but, but.... they were all Democrats in the Bad Old Days before the Party Changed Completely Because People Change! Why, LBJ was an active proponent of Jim Crow laws most of his career. Surely Democrats wouldn't be so cynical as to accuse Republicans of ties to racism while celebrating their own racist and racist-aligned historical leadership? Perish the thought!!!










:lol: the best part of irony is when the target doesn't get it.
 
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cpwill said:
yes. my point was that yours was crap :).
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take that up with history. i'm just telling you what it is. :)

:shrug: racism is indeed a sad and ugly chapter in American history - but to pretend that it somehow belongs especially to the Republican party is ridiculous, and in fact in opposition to the actual historical balance of racial policy
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and your version of "the actual historical balance of racial policy" is based on a false understanding of history. :shrug:
 
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theplaydrive said:
and your version of "the actual historical balance of racial policy" is based on a false understanding of history. :shrug:
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What do you mean by "your version" History has but one version based in fact, any other so called "version" is a narrative, and not accurate. But, I welcome you to lay out the so called "racial policies" that you cite cpwill of ignoring, or changing here. The record can speak for itself.

For instance, Al Gore recently had some nearly incoherent rant about racism, and the one thing that was surreal about it was that he seems to have forgotten how his own father blocked, and voted against legislation concerning equal rights for Blacks in this country.

I personally would like Rep. Carson to name who the hell he is talking about in congress, and cite proof of this BS. He comes out with some "There are those in congress..." crap, and fails to say who he is talking about, meanwhile if a republican ever said anything close to that demo's would in true Allinsky fashion would be pressing for names, and dismissing when none were forthcoming.

Carson is a joke, and this perpetual smear from libs towards conservatives as demo's do everything in their legislative power to keep poor Blacks right where the hell they are in their station in life so as not to loose that voting block is pure transparent crap!

j-mac
 
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apdst said:
Since I'm not, "black", he can't call me Uncle Tom. Right? :rofl

maybe colored would fit his stereotype better?

And people wonder why I don't like Libbos.
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There is another condition...you also have to be a liberal and you have to level your hatred and rhetoric towards conservative black people. Then it gets ignored, excused, and/or justified.
 
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teamosil said:
That's pretty much the definition of racism. Attributing negative characteristics one perceives one person to have to other members of that race.
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Ignoring the fact that on occasion, that negative stereotype has been enhanced/reinforced by some within that racial group. Like I said...its not necessarily something you want to admit.
 
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Mason66 said:
One more point about hiring whites as opposed to a minority.

Whites are not protected by any kind of legislation.

The business owner, especially in the low wage area, like the survey was, he would have to think about who can sue him and for what.

A minority can sue, even without a real case, if they get fired and say it was because of their race and it is up to the business owner to prove it wasn't.

That costs a lot of money.
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Actually...I kind of left white employees in the same category as black employees. I think the general and prevalent attitude amongst most employers of low skilled workers is that young white employees are spoiled, pampered, unreliable, drama driven little brats and that they would prefer hiring an illegal immigrant, legal immigrant or US hispanic over blacks OR white applicants. (remember...the study abstract cited-and we have no way of knowing who they actually studied, what businesses, and how biased or unbiased the studfy was-specified the unskilled labor market).
 
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pbrauer said:
Byrd was a member of the KKK when he was young, people change. Prove he was a racist when he died.
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Oh Im sure he like ALL the racist democrats suddenly converted. It was like magic!

Democrat politicians see minorities as voting blocks...nothing more. They dont give a **** about them. The appeasement legislation they have passed have contributed to the devastation that is the modern black community. You think those programs HELP???? Look at the black community. They are being overwhelmed as the first minority group by immigrant groups that come to America and somehow...with NOTHING to start on...magically succeed. The black community is overrepresented in early death statistics, abortion rates, prison rates, underrepresented in college graduate rates, academic achievement, etc. The reality is that the success of those that come here and succeed has nothing to do with 'magic'. It has everything to do with hard work, a willingness to achieve, not having a bunch of race baiters continuing to provide excuse upon excuse for failure, not receiving the 'benefit' of social programs that have destroyed family and community. Oh yes...30 years of democrat support has done WONDERS for the black community.
 
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theplaydrive said:
So I guess I can assume that you don't actually respect "real world experience" like you say you do. You only respect your own experiences and willfully ignore the experiences of other people that don't fit into your worldview. Thanks for clarifying.
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Since you refuse to tell us what experience you have and what your job is, we are forced to assume that you don't have either.
 
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theplaydrive said:
It's funny to me how many conservatives/Republicans think blacks are too stupid to make their own decisions. They're being "led" - incapable of rational thought.
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I call liberals that actually. You know liberals that believe they can pass things like minimum wage or the living wage and not lose employment. They have this strange idea that they can change the rules of the market by just putting the wage at whatever they please. Funny that it doesn't work that way. Oh wait, no its not, its called a basic economic principle.
 
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The desperation is palpable.

When the race card gets played, that means a liberal is crapping its knickers. Things ain't looking good.

Fortunately, the nation is tired of the overplayed, abused race card. Dr. King is rolling in his grave at how his important work has been undone by those he wanted to help.
 
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Most of this arguement has been irrelevant. Say that the GOP supported racism 40-50 years ago. Democrats support it today. In reality you can say that the parties shifted but for the overwhelming vast majority of the last 150 years it's been the Democrats defending racism in one aspect or another including now.
 
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Henrin said:
I call liberals that actually. You know liberals that believe they can pass things like minimum wage or the living wage and not lose employment. They have this strange idea that they can change the rules of the market by just putting the wage at whatever they please. Funny that it doesn't work that way. Oh wait, no its not, its called a basic economic principle.
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To expand on that this should help understand the economic problem of minimum wage a bit more...

Walter Williams said:
The National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 and the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 broadened the number of workers covered by minimum wages, with negative consequences for black employment across a much wider range of industries. Good intentions motivate most Americans in their support for minimum wage laws, but for compassionate public policy, one should examine the laws' effect. That’s seen by putting oneself in the place of an employer and asking, "If I must pay $7.25 an hour to no matter whom I hire, does it pay me to hire a worker who’s so unfortunate as to have skills that enable him to produce, say, only $4 worth of value an hour?" Most employers would view hiring such a worker as a losing economic proposition; therefore, a minimum wage law discriminates against low-skilled workers by reducing employment opportunity.
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Btw a racist democrat at the time said..

Rep. William Upshaw said:
"Colored labor is being sought to demoralize wage rates."
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Knowing that unemployment among blacks was actually lower than whites before minimum wage and ever since it has been much higher speaks volumes about it and the liberals that support it.
 
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teamosil said:
I don't see how we could stop trying to fight racism until equally qualified black and hispanic people have odds of getting jobs at least in the same ballpark as equally qualified white people. The fight to end racism doesn't end when some conservative white people get bored of it, it ends when there is racial equality.
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I don't see how favoring one race over another can lead to racial equality. Can you?

Favoring one racial, ethnic or religious group over another has been done before but has never met with much success. What happens is what we see today, which is deeper resentments, wilder hyperbole and further divisions between people.
 
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1Perry said:
Most of this arguement has been irrelevant. Say that the GOP supported racism 40-50 years ago. Democrats support it today. In reality you can say that the parties shifted but for the overwhelming vast majority of the last 150 years it's been the Democrats defending racism in one aspect or another including now.
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The only thing that changed about Left wing racism, is the strategy.
 
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apdst said:
The only thing that changed about Left wing racism, is the strategy.
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Bingo. Ever since the 1930's its been done through feel good policy like the Davis bacon act and the minimum wage.
 
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teamosil said:
I'm just going to go ahead and say that I don't believe you.
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This happens so very often.

If a Black man doesn't fit into the Black stereotype he, or she, is not really Black.
 
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Henrin said:
Bingo. Ever since the 1930's its been done through feel good policy like the Davis bacon act and the minimum wage.
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It goes back farther than that with the NAACP and the Negro Project.
 
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Grant said:
This happens so very often.

If a Black man doesn't fit into the Black stereotype he, or she, is not really Black.
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Apdst could change all the liberals opinions of him here if he just jumped out and called Alan West a House Negro. It works for their token.
 
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Favoring one racial, ethnic or religious group over another has been done before but has never met with much success. What happens is what we see today, which is deeper resentments, wilder hyperbole and further divisions between people.
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Ive never seen that before, possibly in some racist place.
 
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SE102 said:
Ive never seen that before, possibly in some racist place.
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The CBC....
 
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apdst said:
The only thing that changed about Left wing racism, is the strategy.
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It was Northern legislators from both political parties and President LBJ who pushed for it to get the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed.

"In late November 1963 the assassination of John F. Kennedy changed the political situation. The new president, Lyndon Johnson, utilized his experience in legislative politics and the bully pulpit he wielded as president in support of the bill. In his first address to Congress on November 27, 1963, Johnson told the legislators, "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought so long."


Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Johnson and passage Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)
 
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apdst said:
It goes back farther than that with the NAACP and the Negro Project.
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Ah, totally forgot about the Negro Project. Thanks for reminding me.
 
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This thread is some sort of black hole, or inverse bubble in the space of human communal consciousness or reality itself. 'Tis a demented strange place.
 
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