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AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

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AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters
By JENNIFER AGIESTA, Associated Press – 19 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Whites and women are a re-election problem for President Barack Obama. Younger voters and liberals, too, but to a lesser extent. All are important Democratic constituencies that helped him win the White House in 2008 and whose support he'll need to keep it next year. An analysis of Associated Press-GfK polls, including the latest survey released last week, shows that Obama has lost ground among all those groups since he took office.

Among the findings:

• Just 3 in 10 white independents say Obama deserves to be re-elected and only 41 percent say he understands the problems of people like them.

• Fifty-six percent of all whites approved of how he was doing his job in the first three months of his presidency. But that support has fallen, with only 36 percent now liking how he's doing his job, while 59% say Obama deserves to be voted out of office.

• In the latest AP-GfK survey, less than half of all women and less than half of all men approve of the job Obama is doing. Just 50 percent of women said Obama deserves re-election.

• Twenty-seven percent of Democrats under age 45 say Obama is not a strong leader, compared with 11 percent in June.

• The share of liberals who say "strong leader" describes Obama "very well" has fallen from 53 percent to 29 percent in the aftermath of the debt-ceiling debate.
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Source: The Associated Press: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

Obama's approval/confidence numbers are plunging among whites, white independents, women, the young, and even liberals.

The question remains... Can he win reelection in 2012 without significant upturns in the economy/job sector/debt controls?

I don't think so.
 
All the indications are obama is in very deep trouble for the election....
 
It all depends on who he's running against.
 
Thorgasm said:
It all depends on who he's running against.
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This, along with the next year for Obama is key. If the republicans put up someone who can't appeal to the country as a whole, then they don't have a shot.
 
Thorgasm said:
It all depends on who he's running against.
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In a normal cycle yes. But if the economy remains stagnant or worsens, I think Americans will vote for a change regardless.
 
It depends on a lot of things that still have yet to play out. Who is the GOP nominee and will that shift votes to/from Obama? Can he rally the base like he did in 2008? Will the GOP base be rallied? What will the Democratic race look like? Are these just people, who now, are venting their disapproval of Obama, but will still vote for him?
 
He's losing support among these key groups because he has caved to too many Republican demands. These people are not going to repsond by voting Republican.
 
AdamT said:
He's losing support among these key groups because he has caved to too many Republican demands. These people are not going to repsond by voting Republican.
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Exactly. We were disappointed in Dec/Jan with the extending tax cuts for the wealthy and now this debt caving in simply is heart breaking. Obama reminds me of somebody who wants to fight with regulation boxing gloves under the Marquis of Queensbury rules with a referee in the middle of a bar fight with a bunch of outlaw motorcyclists. He badly needs to grab the baseball bat, drive a nine inch nail through it and aim for the GOP forehead.

But its just not in him and that is heartbreaking.

We should have seen this coming with Rahm Emanuel. I thought it was super great when he hired Rahm to be chief of staff but then will not let him do his thing and Rahm splits at the first opportunity. That was the warning omen.
 
Your Star said:
This, along with the next year for Obama is key. If the republicans put up someone who can't appeal to the country as a whole, then they don't have a shot.
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This is silly. Bush didn't appeal to the country as a whole. Especially in his second term. Reagan kicked butt in his second term because he did but he hardly did the first time. People simply thought Carter wasn't up to the task.
 
AdamT said:
He's losing support among these key groups because he has caved to too many Republican demands. These people are not going to repsond by voting Republican.
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Many of them may not. Many of them may not bother to vote at all though.
 
Tashah said:
In a normal cycle yes. But if the economy remains stagnant or worsens, I think Americans will vote for a change regardless.
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The person who's going to win 2012 is going to be the person who presents a better "jobs agenda."

My prediction is, if things continue the way they are, many libs/Dems may not vote for the Republican candidate, but they problem won't be enthusiastic enough to vote again for Obama either. They may simply stay at home.
 
haymarket said:
Exactly. We were disappointed in Dec/Jan with the extending tax cuts for the wealthy and now this debt caving in simply is heart breaking. Obama reminds me of somebody who wants to fight with regulation boxing gloves under the Marquis of Queensbury rules with a referee in the middle of a bar fight with a bunch of outlaw motorcyclists. He badly needs to grab the baseball bat, drive a nine inch nail through it and aim for the GOP forehead.

But its just not in him and that is heartbreaking.






We should have seen this coming with Rahm Emanuel. I thought it was super great when he hired Rahm to be chief of staff but then will not let him do his thing and Rahm splits at the first opportunity. That was the warning omen.
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This time we have to disagree haymarket, its not about the partisans left or right, we know how they will vote....obama has lost the moderates that won the election for him last time...thats my opinion anyway.
 
Tashah said:
Source: The Associated Press: AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

Obama's approval/confidence numbers are plunging among whites, white independents, women, the young, and even liberals.

The question remains... Can he win reelection in 2012 without significant upturns in the economy/job sector/debt controls?

I don't think so.
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Obama is a great campaigner with absolutely no integrity, His bread and butter will be a negative campaign. The continuance of a 9-10% unemployment and anemic (nonexistent) growth this time next year then Obama is history no matter who he is running against.
 
A classic quote from Louisiana's oft-reelected criminal, Edwin Edwards: "the only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with a dead hooker or a live boy."

That would apply to Obama if Perry wins the Republican nomination.
 
ric27 said:
Obama is a great campaigner with absolutely no integrity, His bread and butter will be a negative campaign. The continuance of a 9-10% unemployment and anemic (nonexistent) growth this time next year then Obama is history no matter who he is running against.
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Half of the race is Obama - the other half is the Republican nominee. And their record will be part of that as it rightfully should be.
 
lpast said:
This time we have to disagree haymarket, its not about the partisans left or right, we know how they will vote....obama has lost the moderates that won the election for him last time...thats my opinion anyway.
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I don't think we totally disagree lpast. I agree that many moderates have deserted Obama - but I feel that many of them also feel betrayed for the reasons I laid out and are not as quick to make allowances or forgive him as the left might be when they consider the alternatives. I had dinner last night with friends who are moderate Dems - and of the four, three were upset and down on Obama. One woman uttered the opinion that she was just tired of him saying one thing and then doing the opposite. And he did both in the two incidents I referred to.

I would add that some moderates have turned on him because he cannot do much with the economy. That is also a reality.
 
haymarket said:
Half of the race is Obama - the other half is the Republican nominee. And their record will be part of that as it rightfully should be.
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Let me ask you this....Do you think Obama is guilty of over selling his ability to improve jobs creation???
 
There are indications that the housing market is going to descend further according to a few articles I've read. Doing home searches for our upcoming purchase has been disheartening, to say the least. Local projections for my area already have houses valued 1/3-1/2 lower than they were 4 years ago by the end of next year. Homes for sale are mostly foreclosures, many in need of significant repairs...or homes for sale at their 2007 values. Those high-priced homes have been on the market for months or even years.

The loan options available for the foreclosed homes or homes in need of repair require lower DPs and have looser credit requirements, but those loans aren't well known to the average buyer.

If the housing market continues to drop off economic recovery will probably struggle as well. I'm not sure what can be done in 14 months to turn things around so significantly as to show marked improvement without simultaneously overspending at a point when the country's financial position is precarious.
 
1Perry said:
People simply thought Carter wasn't up to the task.
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Looking at the poll numbers, critical voting segments are now having similar misgivings about Obama.
 
Obama's approval rating has been dropping. I really don't see him winning reelection if this trend continues. The economy will be the defining issue in 2012 and if the economic condition of the country has not improved than Obama has no shot at reelection. I think Obama won the election largely because of Bush's low approval rating, the state of the economy, and the voting populace not willing to trust Republicans with the economy anymore. The same feelings will apply towards Obama when he tries to win reelection.
 
tessaesque said:
There are indications that the housing market is going to descend further according to a few articles I've read. Doing home searches for our upcoming purchase has been disheartening, to say the least. Local projections for my area already have houses valued 1/3-1/2 lower than they were 4 years ago by the end of next year. Homes for sale are mostly foreclosures, many in need of significant repairs...or homes for sale at their 2007 values. Those high-priced homes have been on the market for months or even years.

The loan options available for the foreclosed homes or homes in need of repair require lower DPs and have looser credit requirements, but those loans aren't well known to the average buyer.

If the housing market continues to drop off economic recovery will probably struggle as well. I'm not sure what can be done in 14 months to turn things around so significantly as to show marked improvement without simultaneously overspending at a point when the country's financial position is precarious.
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It's what should have been done 14-30 months ago. "We" decided to make those who screwed up the market well and forgot about the rest. Things IMO would be far different today if we had looked after main street as opposed to Wall Street.

As it is, it's going to be a real drag and politicians are going to blame everyone but themselves. Everyone that voted to make Wall Street well over main street should lose their jobs regardless of the letter after their names.
 
ric27 said:
Let me ask you this....Do you think Obama is guilty of over selling his ability to improve jobs creation???
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That depends a great deal on the economic conditions available in which to create jobs. Lots of folks are great bakers but if you only give them an oven that heats up to 175 degrees, its really difficult to judge their abilities.
 
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Thorgasm said:
It all depends on who he's running against.
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To a degree. If the republicans nominate someone like romney or huntsman, I will vote for them. If they pick someone like Bauchman or Perry I am considering not even voting.
 
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