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53 Dead in Attack on Casino in Northern Mexico

As for violence being south of the border only, very wrong. The numbers of kidnappings that make Phoenix AZ 2nd in the world are perpetrated by illegal Aliens and Drug Cartels.

Crimes in places like San Diego, L.A. take place all the time but because they are Sanctuary Cityies that refuse to enforce the Laws on the books,

For those who think all the Violence is on the Border, guess again. The following headlines are from Aug, 14th until the 21rst, that's 8 days and I just picked a few and there are plenty more.

Mayor Kidnapped Near Mexico City Found Dead

Five headless bodies found in Acapulco

9 Bodies found on a highway in western Mexico

Attacks on Taxi Drivers, Buses in Mexican Resort City Leave 13 Dead

Gunmen kill 5 in Mexican Pacific resort city

11 people slain in Acapulco, Mexico

The vast majority of people killed are innocent civilians and used to send the message that the Cartels are in charge.

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Thorgasm said:
Good grief. You are in Idaho. Get a grip.
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I am in America, everything that happens in its borders affects me. As for being so far north, in neighboring Washington in the agricultural mid-section there has been a lot of gang related violence and murders. Once these gangs get over the border It’s a 2 day drive to be here, world gets smaller every day.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I am in America, everything that happens in its borders affects me. As for being so far north, in neighboring Washington in the agricultural mid-section there has been a lot of gang related violence and murders. Once these gangs get over the border It’s a 2 day drive to be here, world gets smaller every day.
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You are more likely to be struck by lightning.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059758912 said:
It appears from your posts that you would rather take the chances of becoming a victim.
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I'd rather live my life than stay bunkered down in my panic room. I don't take unnecessary risks. I'd rather visit Cancun over Gary, IN.
 
TOJ said:
I had not heard that. Could you please post your proof that Holder or Obama knew of it in advance?

Thx, I'm looking forward to reading your information.

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When questioned by Issa during a hearing, Holder said he only recently, within the the last few weeks, was aware of Operation Fast and Furious. The document below proves he lied.

Welcome to the United States Department of Justice

Watch this video, which is an interview with Issa about the operation, including his response about Holder.

Eric Holder Caught In Lies About Operation Gunrunner « Alexandria
 
Felipe Calderon called this a terrorist attack, and cited the US appetite for drugs as being at least part of the reason for the attack.

Lashing out at corrupt officials in Mexico and "insatiable" U.S. demand for drugs for fomenting the violence, Calderon urged the U.S. Congress to stamp out drug consumption and stop illegal trafficking of weapons across the border into Mexico.

"We're neighbours, we're allies, we're friends, but you are also responsible," a sombre and angry Calderon said to the United States in a speech after meeting his security advisers.
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I think he's right, myself, on both counts.

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Dittohead not! said:
Felipe Calderon called this a terrorist attack, and cited the US appetite for drugs as being at least part of the reason for the attack.



I think he's right, myself, on both counts.

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I love the head of one of the most corrupt governments in the world whining about US guns when the Mexicans have a murder rate that is astronomical despite its gun bans Most of the guns those thugs are using come from Military and police corruption as well as places like Venzuela
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059758113 said:
Could U.S. politics have been an accessory to the tragedy?

What was your first thought after hearing about 911?

Maybe who did it?

So who's really politicizing this?
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Wow. Really? US politics and and a really stupid ATF plan were responsible for a bunch of thugs killing 53 people at a casino. So gun manufacturers really ARE responsible for violent crime? So car manufacturers are responsible for people killed by drunk driving?
 
SE102 said:
*insert picture of large iron here* :roll:

I hear Bush was responsible for 9/11, oh wait bad analogy he was warned personally. :doh
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Posting drunk again? Stop that! Are you implying I am saying Obama is responsible for this?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Felipe Calderon called this a terrorist attack, and cited the US appetite for drugs as being at least part of the reason for the attack.



I think he's right, myself, on both counts.

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He can directly blame the BATFE and Eric Holder, in other words, the US Government, for some of it, i.e. Operation Fast and Furious.

I understand Calderon is frustrated because he is so obviously powerless to do anything except lash out at those he thinks are responsible. I haven't seen any information where he accepts any responsibility for being ineffective either. Maybe a leadership change in Mexico is necessary as well.

I also think the drug war in the US is unwinnable. Drastic times require drastic measures.
 
VanceMack said:
Wow. Really? US politics and and a really stupid ATF plan were responsible for a bunch of thugs killing 53 people at a casino. So gun manufacturers really ARE responsible for violent crime? So car manufacturers are responsible for people killed by drunk driving?
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Your reading comprehension skills are way off today.
 
Risky Thicket said:
I go several times a year: Puerto Peñasco, Baja, San Felipe and or Puerto Vallarta. The kidnapping of Americans is media BS. And when they do kidnap Americans it is usually naturalized Mexican-Americans. Therefore if you aren't a naturalized Mexican American, you aren't walking around flaunting you money, you use a bit of common sense and street smart you'll be fine and the good people of Mexico will be as gracious and welcoming as always.
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I agree and most of the violence is along Mexico's southern and northern borders that said, IMO this isn't violence...it's a war, and the Mexican government as corrupt as it is can't do much about it. So until the Mexican government treats this as a war the violence will continue. Perhaps Mexico should ask for help from a government who isn't so corrupt, then again we are extremely busy minding at the moment everyone else's back yard.

I have been to Mexico many times and it is a lovely country with very gracious people, perhaps some day I will return.
 
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Councilman said:
When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

What is really amazing to me is that I see and hear ads for Mexican vacations on TV and Radio.

How stupid it that. There is no way in hell I would cross the border for any reason.

I under stand that in 2010 over 34,000 people were killed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

They also love to kidnap Americans.

So do you think it's a good idea to go there?
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NPR needs to be defunded.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059758942 said:
He can directly blame the BATFE and Eric Holder, in other words, the US Government, for some of it, i.e. Operation Fast and Furious.

I understand Calderon is frustrated because he is so obviously powerless to do anything except lash out at those he thinks are responsible. I haven't seen any information where he accepts any responsibility for being ineffective either. Maybe a leadership change in Mexico is necessary as well.

I also think the drug war in the US is unwinnable. Drastic times require drastic measures.
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Yes, it is, and the fighting is about who gets to cash in on the lucrative drug trade. Many of the weapons used in the battles among the cartels come from the US. Our policies are fueling the violence in Mexico. That is not to say that the corrupt government of Mexico isn't partly to blame, of course, but before we start pointing fingers of corruption blame towards other nations, we need to look at what is going on in Washington DC.
 
TurtleDude said:
I love the head of one of the most corrupt governments in the world whining about US guns when the Mexicans have a murder rate that is astronomical despite its gun bans Most of the guns those thugs are using come from Military and police corruption as well as places like Venzuela
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Of course it's ridiculous but everything that goes on in the world is America's fault and Reuters is always keen to carry that message forward. Like the BBC, I wouldn't overestimate the intelligence of their readership.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, it is, and the fighting is about who gets to cash in on the lucrative drug trade. Many of the weapons used in the battles among the cartels come from the US. Our policies are fueling the violence in Mexico. That is not to say that the corrupt government of Mexico isn't partly to blame, of course, but before we start pointing fingers of corruption blame towards other nations, we need to look at what is going on in Washington DC.
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Yes, of course. Over 50 people are murdered by Mexican gangsters in Mexican casino and its Washington's fault.

I hold Joe Biden responsible myself.
 
Grant said:
Yes, of course. Over 50 people are murdered by Mexican gangsters in Mexican casino and its Washington's fault.

I hold Joe Biden responsible myself.
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What about Bush?
 
Grant said:
Yes, of course. Over 50 people are murdered by Mexican gangsters in Mexican casino and its Washington's fault.

I hold Joe Biden responsible myself.
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Where do you think those "Mexican gangsters" are getting their money and weapons? What is it you think they are fighting over?

Hint: It isn't Joe Biden. Not unless he's a pot head and/or coke head... come to think of it, some of his gaffes could be due to... no, that's just silly. couldn't be.
 
VanceMack said:
How sad is it that THAT was your "first thought"? In the wake of a tragedy you went to politics. Geeeezus.
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I think a story that pertains to drug cartels that exist because of our government and that own high-powered weapons because of our government is slightly political.
 
Thorgasm said:
Yes, you can either live your life or visit Gary, IN. :lol:
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I'll take the one that has less of a chance of being drugged/murdered/kidnapped so that I can have more life to live.
 
Councilman said:
When I saw this story my first thought was, "I wonder if these gun toting cartel members got any of there guns from the ATF sale of about 2,000 assault rifles."

What is really amazing to me is that I see and hear ads for Mexican vacations on TV and Radio.

How stupid it that. There is no way in hell I would cross the border for any reason.

I under stand that in 2010 over 34,000 people were killed by the drug cartels in Mexico.

They also love to kidnap Americans.

So do you think it's a good idea to go there?
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I don't understand why they would randomly kill people like that. They sell drugs, why is a massacre necessary for their business?
 
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