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Hurricane Irene: looking Like Major Disaster for Northeast

Gill said:
thanks for providing a quote confirming my initial statement on the possible storm surge.
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It does? Could you highlight the section that claims surge could be 15-20'?
 
Helix said:
Here's hoping that news organizations act responsibly and don't put reporters right on the beach in 100+ mph winds. That is dangerous and useless.
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No way, that's the only good thing to come out of a hurricane.
 
AdamT said:
It does? Could you highlight the section that claims surge could be 15-20'?
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No problem.........
Irene's large size, slow movement, and arrival at the highest tide of the month could easily bring a surge one Category higher than the storm's winds might suggest, resulting in a Category 2 type inundation along the coast, near 10 - 15 feet.
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If he is correct, his upper limit would equal the lower limit I posted.
 
mbig said:
Inaccurate as Always and just Contradicts my last with No reason.
This is Weather.
It changes hourly, Daily.
The OP/Title "Looking Like Major Disaster".. which was absolutely accurate and will Remain so no matter the outcome.
English/Simple logic Please.
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as i said, no weaseling away from the positions taken
positions staked out by those who should be aware of the variables of any storm
 
AdamT said:
No doubt it is going to be a mess. But there's no need to exaggerate. Storm surge in the NE will be in the 3 - 6' range, not 15 - 20'.
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The mid-Atlantic is where the real damage will occur.
 
justabubba said:
as i said, no weaseling away from the positions taken
positions staked out by those who should be aware of the variables of any storm
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That's because you're Trolling. Posting what you want- NOT what was posted.
Again with edit you missed

justabubba said:
actually, in very little time we WILL be able to see whether those who insist this storm will be massively destructive or those who believe the hype is overblown* were accurate in their predictions

no weaseling out of those positions now

*weak pun again intended
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Wrong as Always and just Contradicts my last with No reason.
This is Weather.
It changes hourly, Daily.
The OP/Title "Looking Like Major Disaster" (NOT "WILL be Major Disaster"), which was absolutely accurate when posted and will Remain so no matter the outcome.
"Will", is the aptly named Justabubba, Perversion/Misstating of what WAS said.
English/Simple logic Please.
 
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Gill said:
No problem.........


If he is correct, his upper limit would equal the lower limit I posted.
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That's right, and nowhere does he suggest that it could rise above the lower limit you posted.
 
AdamT said:
That's right, and nowhere does he suggest that it could rise above the lower limit you posted.
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If the surge reaches 15', then I will be correct.
 
Gill said:
If the surge reaches 15', then I will be correct.
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No, you still would not be correct in suggesting that it could rise as high as 20'. But in any case, I doubt it will get anywhere near 15'.
 
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Got this from an old school buddy still living in New York
 
mbig said:
That's because you're Trolling. Posting what you want- NOT what was posted.
Again with edit you missed

Wrong as Always and just Contradicts my last with No reason.
This is Weather.
It changes hourly, Daily.
The OP/Title "Looking Like Major Disaster" (NOT "WILL be Major Disaster"), which was absolutely accurate when posted and will Remain so no matter the outcome.
"Will", is the aptly named Justabubba, Perversion/Misstating of what WAS said.
English/Simple logic Please.
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let's look at your hype
before your attempts to weasel out of these bold predictions:
I live along the East River in Manhattan (app Sea Level + 10-12') facing South with Open view-- read 'Full Force Winds', Picture Windows.
Moving inland to higher ground, still in the City, starting tomorrow.
Feels like Ground Zero again.

Preparations in the area are Massive. The East End of Long Island, aka Hamptons, will be a Ghost town soon.
As much of the East Coast from North Carolina to Maine.
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notice that absolute "will"
not maybe
not possibly
not even likely
but WILL

weasel out of that
 
It's bizarre that this guy can't even talk about with the weather without blowing a gasket.
 
"Storm surge from Irene may raise water levels by as much as 6 to 11 feet in parts of eastern North Carolina, 4 to 8 feet over southern portions of the Chesepeake Bay and Delmarva Peninsula and 3 to 6 feet above ground level along the Jersey shore, the NHC said."

Irene Weakens on Path to North Carolina - Bloomberg

Hmm, 3-6' sounds familiar. Who said that? Oh yeah ... ME!! :lol:
 
Wow, if NY got a 15' surge, it could do bilions in improvements.

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TOJ said:
Wow, if NY got a 15' surge, it could do bilions in improvements.
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Should help lower unemployment, too.
 
Well, the pressure isn't rising, and this storm is NOT weakening at all. Don't believe the media on things like this, trust the pro's. I hang out on a sciwnce website that just happen to have a few experts in this particular field, and all of them are saying that this storm could be a Cat 2/3 by time it hits NJ/NY.. It's big, and it's mean, and it WILL cause billions in damage!


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Well, the pressure isn't rising, and this storm is NOT weakening at all. Don't believe the media on things like this, trust the pro's. I hang out on a sciwnce website that just happen to have a few experts in this particular field, and all of them are saying that this storm could be a Cat 2/3 by time it hits NJ/NY.. It's big, and it's mean, and it WILL cause billions in damage!


Tim-
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Actually the storm has been downgraded to Cat 2 for now, the pressure has risen a bit (from 942mb at 9am to 946 at 11am) and it's highly unlikely that it will be a Cat2 when it hits NY. No way on earth it will be Cat3.

Find a better science website.
 
Maybe not a Cat 3, but then again I said it could be, not that it will be. The storm has strong convection surrounding the eye, and the slight rise in pressure is minimal, and probably related to the replacement of the eye-wall late yesterday. In other words, there is NO scientific sign that the storm is weakening. Perhaps you should avoid places like Google, AdamT.


Tim-
 
justabubba said:
let's look at your hype
before your attempts to weasel out of these bold predictions:
ME as quoted by Bubba"
[qiuote]I live along the East River in Manhattan (app Sea Level + 10-12') facing South with Open view-- read 'Full Force Winds', Picture Windows.
Moving inland to higher ground, still in the City, starting tomorrow.
Feels like Ground Zero again."""

Preparations in the area are Massive. The East End of Long Island, aka Hamptons, will be a Ghost town soon.
As much of the East Coast from North Carolina to Maine.
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notice that absolute "will"
not maybe
not possibly
not even likely
but WILL

weasel out of that
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Notice, The ONLY "WILL" is used for the Hamptons (and other Coastal resorts) being a Ghost town."
That is Already Becoming true/true!
With ie, Gov Christie, Calling a "State of Emergency" for "Evacuation" of shore areas 24 Hours ago.
(also previously linked)

"Feels Like"... IS [Just] "Feels Like", an emotion, with the Hurricane approaching NYC.
NOT "WILL be Ground Zero". Cape Hatteras is likely that spot.
Tho more $ damage likely in heavily populated NE. (as explained previous/throughout)

You remain "Justabubba", Dishonestly Misstating/Mischaracterzing my posts And even String Title.
(Which also STILL is: "Hurricane Irene: looking Like Major Disaster for Northeast".
Which again, will remain absolutely accurate when posted.

This DISHONESTY on your part Must stop.
 
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Hicup said:
Maybe not a Cat 3, but then again I said it could be, not that it will be. The storm has strong convection surrounding the eye, and the slight rise in pressure is minimal, and probably related to the replacement of the eye-wall late yesterday. In other words, there is NO scientific sign that the storm is weakening. Perhaps you should avoid places like Google, AdamT.


Tim-
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Well Tim, as I mentioned above, I have been paying very close attention to hurricanes for over 20 years -- not because I read about them on a science blog, but because I've in the middle of too many of them. In other words, I was tracking hurricanes before Google was even a glimmer in Steve Page's eye.
 
AdamT said:
No, you still would not be correct in suggesting that it could rise as high as 20'. But in any case, I doubt it will get anywhere near 15'.
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Let me help you out......

A prediction of 15' to 20' does NOT mean the surge will be 20', it means it could be 15', or 20', or anywhere in between.

Understand how it works now ??
 
AdamT said:
Actually the storm has been downgraded to Cat 2 for now, the pressure has risen a bit (from 942mb at 9am to 946 at 11am) and it's highly unlikely that it will be a Cat2 when it hits NY. No way on earth it will be Cat3.

Find a better science website.
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Correct. Looks like some wind shear will further weaken the storm as it passes the Outer Banks. With that said though, it will still be a VERY dangerous storm and a large number of structures will be damaged. Extensive power loss should be expected as trees begin falling on lines. The insurance industry is taking a beating this year since there will undoubtedly be a billion or more dollars damage to structures and vehicles.
 
AdamT said:
Well Tim, as I mentioned above, I have been paying very close attention to hurricanes for over 20 years -- not because I read about them on a science blog, but because I've in the middle of too many of them. In other words, I was tracking hurricanes before Google was even a glimmer in Steve Page's eye.
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Then you would know that the information I am providing is plausable then? :)

By the way, it's not a blog.. I known some of these guys since the internet was invented by Al Gore.. [wink] Oscar, a member here knows the same people and can back up my claims if he bothered too. I'm not the expert, BUT these guys are..


Tim-
 
Gill said:
Correct. Looks like some wind shear will further weaken the storm as it passes the Outer Banks. With that said though, it will still be a VERY dangerous storm and a large number of structures will be damaged. Extensive power loss should be expected as trees begin falling on lines. The insurance industry is taking a beating this year since there will undoubtedly be a billion or more dollars damage to structures and vehicles.
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It's not so much the strength as the location.
The proverbial I-95 'Megalopolis' and it's burbs.

Even 70-80 mph winds up the heart of that corridor are going to be very damaging.
Vast areas that haven't been hit in a generation by anything - or Never hit are probably going to have problems.
It's really problems for so many rather than a Monster for a few.

I'd guess losses in prime-time Bookings alone to Resorts (Hotels, Restaurants, etc) from NC's Outer Banks extending North to Maine are already a Billion dollars.
(NC, VA, DE, MD, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, NH, ME)
 
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Hicup said:
Then you would know that the information I am providing is plausable then? :)

By the way, it's not a blog.. I known some of these guys since the internet was invented by Al Gore.. [wink] Oscar, a member here knows the same people and can back up my claims if he bothered too. I'm not the expert, BUT these guys are..


Tim-
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Yep, well ... pressure up to 951mb at 2pm. Now projected to remain Cat 2 before hitting NC and weakening further.
 
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