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Hurricane Irene: looking Like Major Disaster for Northeast

mbig said:
You need to watch the News.
I suggest CNN or The Weather Channel who will tell you how rare it indeed is. Unique for the NE.
As will State-of-Emergency Gov Christie, a Native NJ boy on the last page.

I really miss Neg Reps.
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Because news stations would never hype up, and sensationalize things to increase ratings, never. Please, it's a rare thing, but it won't be that bad. Your expectations for it, are far worse then what will more then likely happen.
 
Your Star said:
Because news stations would never hype up, and sensationalize things to increase ratings, never. Please, it's a rare thing, but it won't be that bad. Your expectations for it, are far worse then what will more then likely happen.
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and your post mocking an "Extremely-by-ALL-accounts" serious situation:

"YOU MUST GO OUT AND GET MILK AND BREAD OR YOU WILL SURELY DIE!!!!!!!!!"

Was really Garbage speak. Now you have to also knock the MSM and most professional Weather people, Hurricane centers, TWC, etc.
It wasn't just "my expectation" it is the considered opinion of Every single expert on every single network, the Foremost 'caners, Governors up the Coast, Mayors, etc.

Nevertheless, we all still hope for an increasingly unlikely weakening or glancing blow.

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Come on now, it couldn't be that bad. The media always love to exaggerate.
Anyways, good look and take care, brothers. :)
 
spud_meister said:
Of course, I'd forgotten how the chemical reactions to pen on paper could control the environment.
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How about 10 years of better emissions policies?

No we had 10 years of Chaney energy policy. Thanks W.


Down Under? Does liberal spin the opposite direction?
 
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hazlnut said:
How about 10 years of better emissions policies?

No we had 10 years of Chaney energy policy. Thanks W.


Down Under? Does liberal spin the opposite direction?
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6 years actually, the protocol didn't come into effect until '05.

But you must be right, I'd forgotten how a 5% reduction in America's emissions (meaning a reduction of less than 1% of the total worlds, providing the US had fulfilled the obligations of the protocol in 6 years) would've completely reversed climate change and stopped this hurricane from happening.
 
spud_meister said:
6 years actually, the protocol didn't come into effect until '05.

But you must be right, I'd forgotten how a 5% reduction in America's emissions (meaning a reduction of less than 1% of the total worlds, providing the US had fulfilled the obligations of the protocol in 6 years) would've completely reversed climate change and stopped this hurricane from happening.
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Spud you know that we Americans believe the world revolves around us. If we do something, it affects the whole world.
 
In all seriousness, people in the are stay safe. It shouldn't be anything too, too bad, but flooding is never a joking matter.
 
Your Star said:
You sound like the people here when it snows. YOU MUST GO OUT AND GET MILK AND BREAD OR YOU WILL SURELY DIE!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's nothing unique.
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Are you serious ???

2 inches of snow in Georgia is hardly comparable to 70 - 90 mph winds, 10 - 15 inches of rain, and 15 to 20 foot storm surges. This WILL be a major disaster with billions of dollars in damages.

When Hurricane Ike came through the Ohio Valley in 2008 with winds of 70 mph and NO rain, there were hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to buildings from west Kentucky to Cleveland.
 
Gill said:
Are you serious ???

2 inches of snow in Georgia is hardly comparable to 70 - 90 mph winds, 10 - 15 inches of rain, and 15 to 20 foot storm surges. This WILL be a major disaster with billions of dollars in damages.

When Hurricane Ike came through the Ohio Valley in 2008 with winds of 70 mph and NO rain, there were hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to buildings from west Kentucky to Cleveland.
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the good thing about this
in very little time we will be able to see which side's predictions hold water


[weak ass pun intended]
 
Gill said:
Are you serious ???

2 inches of snow in Georgia is hardly comparable to 70 - 90 mph winds, 10 - 15 inches of rain, and 15 to 20 foot storm surges. This WILL be a major disaster with billions of dollars in damages.

When Hurricane Ike came through the Ohio Valley in 2008 with winds of 70 mph and NO rain, there were hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to buildings from west Kentucky to Cleveland.
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No doubt it is going to be a mess. But there's no need to exaggerate. Storm surge in the NE will be in the 3 - 6' range, not 15 - 20'.
 
AdamT said:
No doubt it is going to be a mess. But there's no need to exaggerate. Storm surge in the NE will be in the 3 - 6' range, not 15 - 20'.
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Storm surge damage will depend on the exact time of landfall. If it hits during high tide, damage will be intensified.
 
Gill said:
Storm surge damage will depend on the exact time of landfall. If it hits during high tide, damage will be intensified.
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That is true, and unfortunately this coincides with an unusually high "Spring" tide. But that doesn't change the actual storm surge. The storm surge comes on top of the tide reading. You would have to have a Cat 4 - Cat 5 storm to get a 20' storm surge.
 
AdamT said:
That is true, and unfortunately this coincides with an unusually high "Spring" tide. But that doesn't change the actual storm surge. The storm surge comes on top of the tide reading. You would have to have a Cat 4 - Cat 5 storm to get a 20' storm surge.
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Katrina was a Cat 3 storm at landfall on the Mississippi coast, but its storm surge was over 25'. I saw with my own eyes the damage from the storm surge along the entire Mississippi coast. The storm surge caused massive damage six miles inland.

Actual storm surge depends on many factors.
 
Gill said:
Katrina was a Cat 3 storm at landfall on the Mississippi coast, but its storm surge was over 25'. I saw with my own eyes the damage from the storm surge along the entire Mississippi coast. The storm surge caused massive damage six miles inland.

Actual storm surge depends on many factors.
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That's true, but Katrina was an anomoly. It weakened quite a bit at the last minute, but was still pushing water from it's more powerful phase. The second largest recorded storm surge was around 23' -- associated with Cat 5 Hurricane Camille in 1969.

"Irene's storm surge potentially extremely dangerous for the mid-Atlantic coast
Irene's large size, slow motion, arrival at high tide, and Category 3 strength at landfall in North Carolina will likely drive a storm surge of 8 - 10 feet into the heads of bays in Pamlico Sound, and 3 - 6 feet in Albemarle Sound. As the storm progresses northwards, potential storm surge heights grow due to the shape of the coast and depth of the ocean, though the storm will be weakening. If Irene is a Category 1 storm as it crosses into Virginia, it can send a storm surge of 4 - 8 feet into Chesapeake Bay and Norfolk. I give a 50% chance that the surge from Irene in those locations will exceed the record surges observed in 2003 during Hurricane Isabel. The region I am most concerned about, though, is the stretch of coast running from southern Maryland to Central New Jersey, including Delaware and the cities of Ocean City and Atlantic City. A Category 1 hurricane can bring a storm surge of 5 - 9 feet here. Irene's large size, slow movement, and arrival at the highest tide of the month could easily bring a surge one Category higher than the storm's winds might suggest, resulting in a Category 2 type inundation along the coast, near 10 - 15 feet. This portion of the coast has no hurricane experience, and loss of life could be heavy if evacuation orders are not heeded. I give a 30% chance that the storm surge from Irene will bring water depths in excess of 10 feet to the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey."

Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog : Irene an extremely dangerous storm surge threat to the mid-Atlantic and New England : Weather Underground
 
justabubba said:
the good thing about this
in very little time we will be able to see which side's predictions hold water


[weak ass pun intended]
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It's Not a matter of which side 'Will' be right or wrong.
It's a matter of posting what is accurate At the Time of that posting. (as the News "Breaks")
Everyone hopes it will be less than predicted and the predictions themselves will be better as time passes.
 
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AdamT said:
That's true, but Katrina was an anomoly. It weakened quite a bit at the last minute, but was still pushing water from it's more powerful phase. The second largest recorded storm surge was around 23' -- associated with Cat 5 Hurricane Camille in 1969.

"Irene's storm surge potentially extremely dangerous for the mid-Atlantic coast
Irene's large size, slow motion, arrival at high tide, and Category 3 strength at landfall in North Carolina will likely drive a storm surge of 8 - 10 feet into the heads of bays in Pamlico Sound, and 3 - 6 feet in Albemarle Sound. As the storm progresses northwards, potential storm surge heights grow due to the shape of the coast and depth of the ocean, though the storm will be weakening. If Irene is a Category 1 storm as it crosses into Virginia, it can send a storm surge of 4 - 8 feet into Chesapeake Bay and Norfolk. I give a 50% chance that the surge from Irene in those locations will exceed the record surges observed in 2003 during Hurricane Isabel. The region I am most concerned about, though, is the stretch of coast running from southern Maryland to Central New Jersey, including Delaware and the cities of Ocean City and Atlantic City. A Category 1 hurricane can bring a storm surge of 5 - 9 feet here. Irene's large size, slow movement, and arrival at the highest tide of the month could easily bring a surge one Category higher than the storm's winds might suggest, resulting in a Category 2 type inundation along the coast, near 10 - 15 feet. This portion of the coast has no hurricane experience, and loss of life could be heavy if evacuation orders are not heeded. I give a 30% chance that the storm surge from Irene will bring water depths in excess of 10 feet to the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey."

Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog : Irene an extremely dangerous storm surge threat to the mid-Atlantic and New England : Weather Underground
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thanks for providing a quote confirming my initial statement on the possible storm surge.
 
mbig said:
It's Not a matter of which side 'Will' be right or wrong.
It's a matter of posting what is accurate At the Time of that posting. (as the News "Breaks")
Everyone hopes it will be less than predicted and the predictions themselves will be better as time passes.
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actually, in very little time we WILL be able to see whether those who insist this storm will be massively destructive or those who believe the hype is overblown* were accurate in their predictions

no weaseling out of those positions now

*weak pun again intended
 
Here's hoping that news organizations act responsibly and don't put reporters right on the beach in 100+ mph winds. That is dangerous and useless.
 
justabubba said:
actually, in very little time we WILL be able to see whether those who insist this storm will be massively destructive or those who believe the hype is overblown* were accurate in their predictions

no weaseling out of those positions now

*weak pun again intended
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Wrong as Always and just Contradicts my last with No reason.
This is Weather.
It changes hourly, Daily.
The OP/Title "Looking Like Major Disaster" (NOT "WILL" be Major Disaster"), which was absolutely accurate when posted and will Remain so no matter the outcome.
English/Simple logic Please.
 
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