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Rep. Maxine Waters says "Tea Party can go straight to hell"

Ockham said:
You need to buy into less of the hype. Nothing would have been destroyed, we'd still be here, no one would have gone into bankruptcy if we didn't dig the hole deeper by increasing the debt we already cannot pay.
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No one would have gone into bankruptcy? What do you think it is when you say you won't pay your bills anymore? That IS bankruptcy.

I mean, seriously, I know some portion of the right wing block in the house made a couple speeches claiming it wouldn't be a total disaster, but everybody who knows anything about anything, including most the Republicans, immediately denounced that as insane talk. Honestly I very much doubt any of them even believed it. They were just trying to come across as crazy enough to actually pull the trigger so that people would be scared enough of them to do what they said. They'd have to be beyond idiots to actually think that the US government can just refuse to pay for stuff it bought and everything is just peachy...
 
teamosil said:
No one would have gone into bankruptcy? What do you think it is when you say you won't pay your bills anymore? That IS bankruptcy.
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Then we're in bankruptcy now and have been for years.

teamosil said:
I mean, seriously, I know some portion of the right wing block in the house made a couple speeches claiming it wouldn't be a total disaster, but everybody who knows anything about anything, including most the Republicans, immediately denounced that as insane talk.
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So you're believing politicians who's job it is to lie? The problem is - you can't prove a negative right? You're going to tell me that such and such would have happened and disaster was averted because of this and that. Really? A hypothetical situation which never came to pass was averted thanks to our politicians.

teamosil said:
Honestly I very much doubt any of them even believed it. They were just trying to come across as crazy enough to actually pull the trigger so that people would be scared enough of them to do what they said. They'd have to be beyond idiots to actually think that the US government can just refuse to pay for stuff it bought and everything is just peachy...
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I can't say whether or not they actually believed what they said or not, but I DO know that the world would have gone on had the debt ceiling bill not passed. The sun would have come up, people would have gone to work, babies would still cry, water would still flow, and the polar ice caps would still be there. The drama about this nonsense is insane and to continue using it as some anti tea party talking point is partisan tripe. You know better don't you?
 
Maxine Waters can go straight to muther****in hell! And she can take all the liberal trash with her. **** em and feed em fish heads, every last one of them.
 
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SgtRock said:
Maxine Waters can go straight to muther****in hell! And she can take all the liberal trash with her. **** em and feed em fish heads, every last one of them.
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I don't like seafood though, and I gotta believe it's pretty scarce is hell.
 
SgtRock said:
Maxine Waters can go straight to muther****in hell! And she can take all the liberal trash with her. **** em and feed em fish heads, every last one of them.
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Take it easy cartoon hero
 
Ockham said:
Then we're in bankruptcy now and have been for years.
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What? No, we keep paying our bills... Not sure what you're talking about on this one.

Ockham said:
So you're believing politicians who's job it is to lie? The problem is - you can't prove a negative right? You're going to tell me that such and such would have happened and disaster was averted because of this and that. Really? A hypothetical situation which never came to pass was averted thanks to our politicians.
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You're trying to flip things here eh? You're the one believing politicians. A handful of politicians are the only source of the view that default wouldn't be a big deal. Every economist certainly said it would be a total disaster... Again, nobody except a handful of the tea party folks who obviously know nothing about anything claimed it wouldn't be a disaster. You were hoodwinked by a handful of wingnut politicians, don't try to put the "believing politicians" thing on me.

Ockham said:
I can't say whether or not they actually believed what they said or not, but I DO know that the world would have gone on had the debt ceiling bill not passed. The sun would have come up, people would have gone to work, babies would still cry, water would still flow, and the polar ice caps would still be there. The drama about this nonsense is insane and to continue using it as some anti tea party talking point is partisan tripe. You know better don't you?
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I think this is one of the pitfalls of the right wing notion of America as some kind of American exceptionalism... They seem to think that no matter what we do, we'll stay on top, so no need to bother keeping our education system strong, no need to give the poor a shot to get out of poverty, no need to spend on the safety net.... You guys are sure that'll all work itself out. After all, how could it not, USA #1! Now add paying our debts to that list of crucial foundations that you want to let fall apart... I got news for you man. We're not magical. If our education continues to suck, we stop honoring our debts, we continue to let the rich/poor gap explode, we keep cutting the safety net... Sooner or later, we're not going to be #1. And then we're not going to be top 5. And then someday we're not going to be first world. That's what happens when hegemogs get lazy Republican style.
 
j-mac said:

Well, here we have it...The more civil tone....When Gov. Perry says something that liberals don't like the call is all about civility, yet Maxine Waters, the socialist can say whatever she wants.....Pure Allensky.

j-mac
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of course it is. the vast majority of these kinds of peoples' accusations is projection.


however, stand by for alot more of this. in 2012 they know their only hope is to utterly smear Republicans.
 
teamosil said:
No one would have gone into bankruptcy? What do you think it is when you say you won't pay your bills anymore? That IS bankruptcy.
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no. bankruptcy is when you can no longer pay your creditors. if we had to give up cowboy poetry festivals, the forestry service, and buying more fighter jets, that is not bankruptcy.


now, obviously the effects of not raising the debt ceiling would have been exceedingly harmful in the short term. that's alot of devalued capital to reallocate. but it would not have been bankruptcy.
 
cpwill said:
no. bankruptcy is when you can no longer pay your creditors. if we had to give up cowboy poetry festivals, the forestry service, and buying more fighter jets, that is not bankruptcy.

now, obviously the effects of not raising the debt ceiling would have been exceedingly harmful in the short term. that's alot of devalued capital to reallocate. but it would not have been bankruptcy.
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Argh. This is so frustrating to me that still now folks on the right just are fundamentally mixing up what the default was about. It wasn't about cutting spending. Cutting spending would be a good thing. This wasn't that. This was money ALREADY SPENT that they were threatening not to pay the bills on. That is bankruptcy. It isn't like not getting a new credit card so you spend less, it is like buying a home and then refusing to pay the mortgage
 
Ockham said:
You're right, one is capitalized and the other isn't.

I don't know enough about it to disagree or agree. However, just plain observation of media outlets shows the messaging is quite tight in my view. I thought the "Journolist" scandal was quite interesting a few years ago showing just how tight and manipulative the messaging was.

Can you give some examples? Again... I don't know enough about how ideological monolithic Republicans are or are not.

I don't mind ideological people as long as they are honest about it. What I see and I certainly can say I'm affected by my own political bias, is that the right seems to be more honest about their views and less apologetic and willing to explain why they believe what they believe. Whether or not it's based on fact or not is a different story and there are those who are manipulative though a minority. What I see at least here on DP is the rigorous defense of all the beliefs and the dishonesty - manipulations, fabrications, hypocrisy. Again, this isn't ONLY on the left but it certainly is more prevalent and I would say in the majority. The excuses and passing off of responsibility especially by the newest members is astonishing. Almost, a concerted and organized effort - or seemingly so.
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Fixed the dumb typo.:doh

I'm not going to divert the thread but here's a quick reply.

We all tend to see more of this on the other side than on "ours". Its a function of confirmation bias.

The jourNOljst thing was an early, organized foray into this arena by the dems. They're following the Lackoff "school". Concentrating on "framing".

There's a lot of literature. I'll PM you a list if you're interested.

PRWatch and Sourcewatch are good resources. They're "left" but not exclusively, concentrating more on the industry than politics.

There's even "Propaganda: The Game", from the sixties that would be fun to play here. Not in threads but AS threads.

I think if people were aware how MUCH of this stuff we're constantly being subjected to, they would not be pleased. And I'm thoroughly convinced that its at the heart of the divide in this country right now.

"There's your problem right there!"

Cognitive dissonance causes us to be actively hostile to people challenging what we've accepted into our minds. Everybody, me too.

Being aware of this stuff prevents others from using what they know about how your mind works, that you don't, against you.

"This Public Service Announcement has been brought to you by Some Guy On the Internet!":2razz:
 
Regarding Maxine Waters comments I heard someone taday (and I don't remember who) make the observation that she is a Democrat from a very liberal district in California.

Their point was that she must be a "very brave person" to make such a comment since she will never have to fear the wrath of the Tea Party or Republicans in general for her comments.
 
The Baron said:
Regarding Maxine Waters comments I heard someone taday (and I don't remember who) make the observation that she is a Democrat from a very liberal district in California.

Their point was that she must be a "very brave person" to make such a comment since she will never have to fear the wrath of the Tea Party or Republicans in general for her comments.
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My question is - which office at Langley, Virginia did this post originate from?:eek:
 
teamosil said:
Argh. This is so frustrating to me that still now folks on the right just are fundamentally mixing up what the default was about. It wasn't about cutting spending. Cutting spending would be a good thing. This wasn't that. This was money ALREADY SPENT that they were threatening not to pay the bills on.
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that is incorrect. simply because you have made a plan to spend some money does not mean that it is already spent. we had plenty of income to cover all of our previous spending (our debt). which, of course, is why there was no real threat of default.
 
The bottom line here is that for all of the calls of 'misrepresentation', all the calls of 'incivility' in rhetoric, all of the language that is accusatory in nature hurled at conservatives by liberals is a form of projection that to me shows how desperate the liberal wing of the demo party is getting. And so soon in the election too.

We see that the mere bringing up Waters' ugly statement to SEIU supporters in that meeting brings forth accusations ranging from selective outrage, to hypocrisy. As if republicans and conservatives are supposed to just be silent, however when conservatives like Sarah Palin uses inflammatory rhetoric, as an example, she is picked apart for days not only by those lemmings in the media that carry Obama's water, but those in here that seem to have a derangement concerning her.

Saul Alinsky said in his book 'Rules for Radicals', of which he dedicated to Satin, that one tactic liberals seem to have embraced is to hold the opposition rigidly to their standards, while you as the radical have none to be held to. Another, tactic laid out in that book was to make sure that you not only dismiss as absurd any charge made by the opposition, but that you totally destroy them through ridicule, and mockery. Sound familiar in todays political spew coming from the libs?

Listen, I have no outrage about Waters, as someone pointed out already, she has already lifted the mask about who she is in the oil company hearings. She is a clown, and someone whom if she didn't pin on that congressional designation pin every morning, she may well be putting on the tie in the back wardrobe of the third floor at the local mental health facility.

But these are the supposed leaders of our society....Don't they make us proud? :2wave:


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
The bottom line here is that for all of the calls of 'misrepresentation', all the calls of 'incivility' in rhetoric, all of the language that is accusatory in nature hurled at conservatives by liberals is a form of projection that to me shows how desperate the liberal wing of the demo party is getting. And so soon in the election too.

We see that the mere bringing up Waters' ugly statement to SEIU supporters in that meeting brings forth accusations ranging from selective outrage, to hypocrisy. As if republicans and conservatives are supposed to just be silent, however when conservatives like Sarah Palin uses inflammatory rhetoric, as an example, she is picked apart for days not only by those lemmings in the media that carry Obama's water, but those in here that seem to have a derangement concerning her.

Saul Alinsky said in his book 'Rules for Radicals', of which he dedicated to Satin, that one tactic liberals seem to have embraced is to hold the opposition rigidly to their standards, while you as the radical have none to be held to. Another, tactic laid out in that book was to make sure that you not only dismiss as absurd any charge made by the opposition, but that you totally destroy them through ridicule, and mockery. Sound familiar in todays political spew coming from the libs?

Listen, I have no outrage about Waters, as someone pointed out already, she has already lifted the mask about who she is in the oil company hearings. She is a clown, and someone whom if she didn't pin on that congressional designation pin every morning, she may well be putting on the tie in the back wardrobe of the third floor at the local mental health facility.

But these are the supposed leaders of our society....Don't they make us proud? :2wave:


j-mac
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As long as you see life as left and right, my team and their team, you will always be used, be a tool. And speaking of ignoring, you know too little about the book and writer of "Rules for Radicals," too often mistakeningly appying your misunderstanding to simply anything you don't like.
 
Did anybody else get a chuckle out of this?

j-mac said:
Another, tactic laid out in that book was to make sure that you not only dismiss as absurd any charge made by the opposition, but that you totally destroy them through ridicule, and mockery.


She is a clown, and someone whom if she didn't pin on that congressional designation pin every morning, she may well be putting on the tie in the back wardrobe of the third floor at the local mental health facility.
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You have learned your lessons well...LOL




I know, I know, the libs made me do it or fight fire with fire or if you can't beat 'em, join 'em or do unto others, etc., etc.
 
j-mac said:
Another, tactic laid out in that book was to make sure that you not only dismiss as absurd any charge made by the opposition, but that you totally destroy them through ridicule, and mockery. Sound familiar in todays political spew coming from the libs?
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I just can't imagine someone being so delusional that they honestly think that only one side ridicule's the other side and paints the other side's ideas as absurd.
 
Boo Radley said:
As long as you see life as left and right, my team and their team, you will always be used, be a tool. And speaking of ignoring, you know too little about the book and writer of "Rules for Radicals," too often mistakeningly appying your misunderstanding to simply anything you don't like.
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Ok, please post for us the last time you supported anything that didn't fall in line with the liberal statist agenda. If you are such a middle of the road free thinker this should be no problem....

j-mac
 
roughdraft274 said:
I just can't imagine someone being so delusional that they honestly think that only one side ridicule's the other side and paints the other side's ideas as absurd.
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Not what I said. Please read again for comprehension this time.

j-mac
 
She certainly summed up my feelings. I'll give her that!
 
j-mac said:
Ok, please post for us the last time you supported anything that didn't fall in line with the liberal statist agenda. If you are such a middle of the road free thinker this should be no problem....

j-mac
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How would you know? But even if my beliefs were 100% liberal, liberal all the time, is it not possible to hold beliefs without being part of any double secret agenda? Seriously j, you just look for reasons to not listen. I think it hurts you more than anyone else, but that is your choice.

As for things I don't support, I don't support any surge in Afghanistan. I think Obama should have been more forceful on healthcare, not less. I think Obama should have stood stronger for tax increases, but do support cuts in spending. I don't think we should be involved in regime change, be it Iraq or Lybia.
 
Boo Radley said:
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How would you know? But even if my beliefs were 100% liberal, liberal all the time, is it not possible to hold beliefs without being part of any double secret agenda? Seriously j, you just look for reasons to not listen. I think it hurts you more than anyone else, but that is your choice.

As for things I don't support, I don't support any surge in Afghanistan. I think Obama should have been more forceful on healthcare, not less. I think Obama should have stood stronger for tax increases, but do support cuts in spending. I don't think we should be involved in regime change, be it Iraq or Lybia.
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What do you mean "even if?" lol....Come on dude, you expect to have everyone see things the way you present them as dishonest as that can be at times, then want to project your failings onto those which you debate, and when called on it you resort to continually posting some catch phrase, or smiley as a jab, intended to incite. My kids act better. So spare me.

As for what you post in the latter paragraph, I read that as you wanted Obama to lurch further to the left, regardless of the damage it would do, and has done already....Wow, you are some centrist there Boo...

I am begining to question whether you are actually some teacher, in some Iowa collage, or if that is possibly your dad, and you are actually something like 14 years old, typing in Mom's basement.....Look, get dressed, clean up, and get out and get a job Boo, you need to see the sunshine.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
What do you mean "even if?" lol....Come on dude, you expect to have everyone see things the way you present them as dishonest as that can be at times, then want to project your failings onto those which you debate, and when called on it you resort to continually posting some catch phrase, or smiley as a jab, intended to incite. My kids act better. So spare me.

As for what you post in the latter paragraph, I read that as you wanted Obama to lurch further to the left, regardless of the damage it would do, and has done already....Wow, you are some centrist there Boo...

I am begining to question whether you are actually some teacher, in some Iowa collage, or if that is possibly your dad, and you are actually something like 14 years old, typing in Mom's basement.....Look, get dressed, clean up, and get out and get a job Boo, you need to see the sunshine.

j-mac
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J, I can't comment on what you think you see, and find that at least someone dishonest on your part. J, you haven't "caught" anyone at anything, and that's the point. I'm not sure if you just can't follow a discussion, or if your partisanship blinds you too much for you to be able to address actual issues. I really can't say, but you should take a deep breath, clear your head, take the partisan glassess off, and reread.

In some cases, yes I think Obama should have gone further left than he did. And no where did I say I was a centrist. You have missed the point again J.
 
Boo Radley said:
J, I can't comment on what you think you see, and find that at least someone dishonest on your part. J, you haven't "caught" anyone at anything, and that's the point. I'm not sure if you just can't follow a discussion, or if your partisanship blinds you too much for you to be able to address actual issues. I really can't say, but you should take a deep breath, clear your head, take the partisan glassess off, and reread.

In some cases, yes I think Obama should have gone further left than he did. And no where did I say I was a centrist. You have missed the point again J.
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No, you didn't say you were a centrist. But you do have famous tags as "Leftist, what ever that is", and even here you try and take a quasi intellectual position portraying yourself as some kind of voice of reason, when in fact you are among the worst offenders using one line trolls designed to bait an argument.

I am done with you for now dude, the dishonesty is making my blood pressure raise.

j-mac
 
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