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GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

mike2810 said:
and I am surprised you continue to ignore the fact that Democrats do the same thing. I showed one link where the Senate did this year. Yes, there is a lot of web pages stating the Republicans won't compromise. There are also pages were it shows the Dems didn't compromise. Bet if you looked at it it all depends on what party ihas the Office of the President and what Party controls Congress. That is the joy of the internet.

Guess we need to get one party in control of both houses and the office of the Pres. and it won't make you happy when it happens.:lol:
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And again, this is the constant Republican reaction when Republican's are clearly at fault: it's not just us! BOTH sides do it!!

And it still doesn't fly. Republicans over the last four years have been far and away the most contentious and obstructive group of politicians in modern American history -- if not in all of American history. It is plain to see when you look at the record-shattering number of filibusters they've lodged. This is a group that has repeatedly voted against measures that they themselves introduced and/or supported for no other reason than that President Obama approved of them. This is a group that, for the first time in our history, took the country to the brink of default, resulting in our first ever credit downgrade. This is the party whose Senate leader said, at the height of the debt ceiling crisis, that his number one priority was what? To improve the economy? To create jobs? To reduce spending even? No. His number one priority was to beat Obama in 2012.

You would have to be insanely partisan not to see this.
 
AdamT said:
And again, this is the constant Republican reaction when Republican's are clearly at fault: it's not just us! BOTH sides do it!!

And it still doesn't fly. Republicans over the last four years have been far and away the most contentious and obstructive group of politicians in modern American history -- if not in all of American history. It is plain to see when you look at the record-shattering number of filibusters they've lodged. This is a group that has repeatedly voted against measures that they themselves introduced and/or supported for no other reason than that President Obama approved of them. This is a group that, for the first time in our history, took the country to the brink of default, resulting in our first ever credit downgrade. This is the party whose Senate leader said, at the height of the debt ceiling crisis, that his number one priority was what? To improve the economy? To create jobs? To reduce spending even? No. His number one priority was to beat Obama in 2012.

You would have to be insanely partisan not to see this.
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Spoken like a truly "insanely partisan". Please take off your blinders so you won't look so foolish in future postings.
 
AdamT said:
And again, this is the constant Republican reaction when Republican's are clearly at fault: it's not just us! BOTH sides do it!!

And it still doesn't fly. Republicans over the last four years have been far and away the most contentious and obstructive group of politicians in modern American history -- if not in all of American history. It is plain to see when you look at the record-shattering number of filibusters they've lodged. This is a group that has repeatedly voted against measures that they themselves introduced and/or supported for no other reason than that President Obama approved of them. This is a group that, for the first time in our history, took the country to the brink of default, resulting in our first ever credit downgrade. This is the party whose Senate leader said, at the height of the debt ceiling crisis, that his number one priority was what? To improve the economy? To create jobs? To reduce spending even? No. His number one priority was to beat Obama in 2012.

You would have to be insanely partisan not to see this.
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I'll play devil's advocate. If the Dems would not have put up such a fuss and gone along with some of the orginal proposals, if Reid would have not blocked in the Senate, we would not have gone to the brink. So if the dems do it its ok, but the repubs its bad, got it.
Thanks for the Democratic spin and talking points though. Oh, and your comments are not partisan? At least I blame both sides equally.
 
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mike2810 said:
I'll play devil's advocate. If the Dems would not have put up such a fuss and gone along with some of the orginal proposals, if Reid would have not blocked in the Senate, we would not have gone to the brink. So if the dems do it its ok, but the repubs its bad, got it.
Thanks for the Democratic spin and talking points though. Oh, and your comments are not partisan? At least I blame both sides equally.
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It was very very clear that the Republicans were not going to compromise on anything. Obama and Boehner had essentially agreed to a $4 trillion deficit reduction deal but Boehner couldn't get his own caucus to sign on. In the end, in his own words, he got 98% of what he wanted. So I guess you could say that he compromised on that remaining 2%. :roll:
 
AdamT said:
It was very very clear that the Republicans were not going to compromise on anything. Obama and Boehner had essentially agreed to a $4 trillion deficit reduction deal but Boehner couldn't get his own caucus to sign on. In the end, in his own words, he got 98% of what he wanted. So I guess you could say that he compromised on that remaining 2%. :roll:
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Let me ask. If the Dems had the right plan/budget, how come they could not convince enough people on the other side to vote for it? You proved my point is both dems and rep. are putting party before country. They all need to go and we need people in office who will work togeather.

It also shows failure in leadership, now and in the past. Explain why when Pelosi and Reid, ruled the roost there where problems in passing the budget? Dems controlled both houses and failed in passing anything meaningful.. Oh wait it was the bad minority republicans. Bottom line WO is dysfunctional.
 
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mike2810 said:
Let me ask. If the Dems had the right plan/budget, how come they could not convince enough people on the other side to vote for it? You proved my point is both dems and rep. are putting party before country. They all need to go and we need people in office who will work togeather.
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No, I haven't proven your point. Your point is that both sides refuse to negotiate and it is simply not true. In fact it is the majority party that has constantly given ground to get things done and it is the minority party that resolutely refuses to compromise. As to why, we can only speculate. As much as I hate to say it, I believe that it's because they would rather see Obama fail than see the country prosper. Some conservative standard bearers, like Rush Limbaugh, have said as much in no uncertain terms. They are only too happy to see the economy tank because it makes Obama more vulnerable in 2012.
 
AdamT said:
No, I haven't proven your point. Your point is that both sides refuse to negotiate and it is simply not true. In fact it is the majority party that has constantly given ground to get things done and it is the minority party that resolutely refuses to compromise. As to why, we can only speculate. As much as I hate to say it, I believe that it's because they would rather see Obama fail than see the country prosper. Some conservative standard bearers, like Rush Limbaugh, have said as much in no uncertain terms. They are only too happy to see the economy tank because it makes Obama more vulnerable in 2012.
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I am confused by your stance of majority party versus minority party. In the house the Dems are the minority party. In the Senate the Repub are the minority party. Not everything is in the republicans control. That is why I continue to throw blame at both parties. Both the house and Senate form budgets, when they don't agree the budget must be reconciled.
 
mike2810 said:
I am confused by your stance of majority party versus minority party. In the house the Dems are the minority party. In the Senate the Repub are the minority party. Not everything is in the republicans control. That is why I continue to throw blame at both parties. Both the house and Senate form budgets, when they don't agree the budget must be reconciled.
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Actually, all spending bill originate in the House, per the Constitution.

The Republicans are the minority party because they are the majority in the House, while the Dems have the Senate and the White House.
 
AdamT said:
Actually, all spending bill originate in the House, per the Constitution.

The Republicans are the minority party because they are the majority in the House, while the Dems have the Senate and the White House.
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Are you actually claiming that the Dems did not block bills and judicial appointments while Bush was President by refusing to compromise with the Republicans ?????
 
AdamT said:
Right, and we all know how incredibly willing and anxious the Republicans are to negotiate and compromise. Unbelievable. :roll:
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yes, we do. specifically we know that there have been multiple major compromises this year - and that Republicans passed a budget that they were fully aware the Senate wouldn't send up; because that was their job. The House Budget Committee Chairman has shown more leadership in this area than the President of the United States. That's amazing; that ought to be embarrassing.
 
AdamT said:
It was very very clear that the Republicans were not going to compromise on anything. Obama and Boehner had essentially agreed to a $4 trillion deficit reduction deal but Boehner couldn't get his own caucus to sign on.
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this is actually precisely the opposite of what happened. the Administration went to brief Senate Democrats - they blew up at the fact that tax increases were capped at 800 Bn, they insisted that the tax increases be floored at 1.2 Trillion, Obama tried to change the deal to reflect that demand at the last second, and Boehner walked.
 
Gill said:
Reid passed the last federal budget in April 2009. Dems controlled the House, the Senate, and the White House for another 20 months.

What were they waiting for ???
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:) the 2010 elections; Pelosi thought (probably accurately) that tying a massive spending number to Congressional Democrats would have severely hurt them in the mid-term. So, Congressional Democrats dicked over the nation (and broke the law, btw) in order to avoid having to admit to the American people how much money they were spending.
 
cpwill said:
this is actually precisely the opposite of what happened. the Administration went to brief Senate Democrats - they blew up at the fact that tax increases were capped at 800 Bn, they insisted that the tax increases be floored at 1.2 Trillion, Obama tried to change the deal to reflect that demand at the last second, and Boehner walked.
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Not quite. Obama wanted the additional revenue but told Boehner that he would drop it if Boehner agreed to reduce cuts to Medicare. At the end of the day it was Boehner who refused to return the President's calls.
 
AdamT said:
Actually, all spending bill originate in the House, per the Constitution.

The Republicans are the minority party because they are the majority in the House, while the Dems have the Senate and the White House.
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True, yet the Senate does mark up and submit changes back to the House. So in a way the Senate controlled by the Dems can still be a party of "no". Any budget bill must get through the House and Senate. It is very clear that the two parties have a differnt outlook on what is good for the country.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
What is your point? Most everyone who ISNT a GOPer hates them. They are incompetent, hypocritical fools that seem to deep-six America when they hold office. (minus Ron Paul)
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You make libertarian extremists proud. :thumbs:
 
AdamT said:
Not quite. Obama wanted the additional revenue but told Boehner that he would drop it if Boehner agreed to reduce cuts to Medicare. At the end of the day it was Boehner who refused to return the President's calls.
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Obama called to insist on a $1.2 Trillion floor for increased taxation. There never were any cuts to Medicare, though the way in which it grows was discussed at at least one point. After receiving Obama's call to insist on $1.2 Trillion as a floor instead of $800 Bn as a ceiling, Boehner decided negotiating directly with the White House wasn't going to produce any worthwhile results, as they were incapable of any kind of consistency.
 
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cpwill said:
Obama called to insist on a $1.2 Trillion floor for increased taxation. There never were any cuts to Medicare, though the way in which it grows was discussed at at least one point. After receiving Obama's call to insist on $1.2 Trillion as a floor instead of $800 Bn as a ceiling, Boehner decided negotiating directly with the White House wasn't going to produce any worthwhile results, as they were incapable of any kind of consistency.
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Boehner had no idea why Obama was calling as he never gave him the courtesy of a return call. Boehner was never going to get any deal past his own caucus that included revenue hikes.
 
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