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GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

apdst said:
$52,000, you say? Oh, they're only going to get an extra $10 a week. Care to redo your math and see what we get?

Besides, they're going to just get the money back on their refund. It's not like they're actually paying the taxes.
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There are no refunds on FICA taxes. :roll:
 
winston53660 said:
So why are the republicans being obstructionists?
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obstructionists to what? The Republican led House is the only chamber to have passed a budget. Republicans were the only party to have passed a debt-ceiling bill that would have avoided a downgrade - and they passed not one but two; and offered a third that was rejected. Republicans in the House have attempted to reform regulation, reduce the uncertainty currently staving off investment, and actually follow the basic responsibilities of Governance. Democrats have shut down all of these efforts. You know those trade agreements that Obama now says will create jobs instantly? He helped to kill it along with the rest of the Senatorial Democrats after it was negotiated under the last Republican administration.

There is a party in Congress currently refusing to do it's jobs. But it's not the one that begins with an "R".
 
winston53660 said:
So why are the republicans being obstructionists?
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obstructionists to what? The Republican led House is the only chamber to have passed a budget. Republicans were the only party to have passed a debt-ceiling bill that would have avoided a downgrade - and they passed not one but two; and offered a third that was rejected. Republicans in the House have attempted to reform regulation, reduce the uncertainty currently staving off investment, and actually follow the basic responsibilities of Governance. Democrats have shut down all of these efforts. You know those trade agreements that Obama now says will create jobs instantly? He helped to kill it along with the rest of the Senatorial Democrats after it was negotiated under the last Republican administration.

There is a party in Congress currently refusing to do it's jobs. But it's not the one that begins with an "R".
 
AdamT said:
So tax cuts don't help jobs. That pretty much eliminates the Republican jobs plan. Next.
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you are confusing tax credits with tax cuts.
 
AdamT said:
There are no refunds on FICA taxes. :roll:
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Well, either way, I doubt anyone is jumpin' up-n-down over an extra 10 spot a week.

What are they doing to do? Go buy a house? A Car?

Please, tell me that isn't the best that the Leftists have to offer. It's insulting, if it is.
 
cpwill said:
depends on the metric you are using. long term unemployment? yup. unemployment as measured against the initial start point? eh, close. growth? our growth is lower than it was during the Great Depression.
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You are so funny, you just make up definitions to suit your argument! We are not currently even in a recession, much less another great depression.
 
cpwill said:
obstructionists to what? The Republican led House is the only chamber to have passed a budget. Republicans were the only party to have passed a debt-ceiling bill that would have avoided a downgrade - and they passed not one but two; and offered a third that was rejected. Republicans in the House have attempted to reform regulation, reduce the uncertainty currently staving off investment, and actually follow the basic responsibilities of Governance. Democrats have shut down all of these efforts. You know those trade agreements that Obama now says will create jobs instantly? He helped to kill it along with the rest of the Senatorial Democrats after it was negotiated under the last Republican administration.

There is a party in Congress currently refusing to do it's jobs. Buteit's not the one that begins with an "R".
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Let's forget the rest of the meaningless hot rhetoric that was spewing forth herein (like telling us the "R's" have suddenly found religion and NOW want to follow the basic responsibilities of governance after eight years of drunken spending during which time they went from a substantially balanced budget to one the is running deficits greater than $1T annually....)...and please explain to me this vague insertion about "....reduce the uncertainty currently staving off investment........ nice string of words. Its too bad they communicate nothing. Now stop hiding behind rhetoric and explain what you mean here (if you can).
 
cpwill said:
obstructionists to what? The Republican led House is the only chamber to have passed a budget. Republicans were the only party to have passed a debt-ceiling bill that would have avoided a downgrade - and they passed not one but two; and offered a third that was rejected. Republicans in the House have attempted to reform regulation, reduce the uncertainty currently staving off investment, and actually follow the basic responsibilities of Governance. Democrats have shut down all of these efforts. You know those trade agreements that Obama now says will create jobs instantly? He helped to kill it along with the rest of the Senatorial Democrats after it was negotiated under the last Republican administration.

There is a party in Congress currently refusing to do it's jobs. But it's not the one that begins with an "R".
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Would you walk up to Congress with a budget and waste all time and effort, tax payers money via the printing office knowing they were going to reject it?
 
Catawba said:
You are so funny, you just make up definitions to suit your argument! We are not currently even in a recession, much less another great depression.
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:) the Great Depression wasn't a Recession either - rather consistent growth in GDP, as one poster here likes to trumpet. the Great Depression was called Great because of the length of high unemployment :). and by that measure, yes, we are getting back there again.
 
winston53660 said:
Would you walk up to Congress with a budget and waste all time and effort, tax payers money via the printing office knowing they were going to reject it?
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if it was my job, then yes. waste money at the printing office? it is their JOB TO PRODUCE A BUDGET. if they are worried that their budget wouldn't pass, well, gosh, gee wiz, it almost seems like there are two houses of Congress that, like, you know, like, compromise and negotiate on things, and stuff, like, you know?


:rolleyes: yeesh. of all the attempted excuses, the "well we maybe wouldn't succeed" is probably the least intelligent.
 
liblady said:
the only way ss gets taken away is if WE allow it.
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that is 100% correct. And that is why so many on the right are working so hard to try and establish the self fulfilling prophecy that Social Security is going to crash and burn. They will stand by and either do nothing to help save it or - even worse - grease the tracks so the roller coaster to hell moves even faster - and then stand back and say "see? I told ya so".

I really do not expect the Boomer generation to simply allow this to happen without one hell of a fight that will make the Viet Nam protests look like a sunday brunch with grandma.
 
cpwill said:
if it was my job, then yes. waste money at the printing office? it is their JOB TO PRODUCE A BUDGET. if they are worried that their budget wouldn't pass, well, gosh, gee wiz, it almost seems like there are two houses of Congress that, like, you know, like, compromise and negotiate on things, and stuff, like, you know?


:rolleyes: yeesh. of all the attempted excuses, the "well we maybe wouldn't succeed" is probably the least intelligent.
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Right, and we all know how incredibly willing and anxious the Republicans are to negotiate and compromise. Unbelievable. :roll:
 
AdamT said:
Right, and we all know how incredibly willing and anxious the Republicans are to negotiate and compromise. Unbelievable. :roll:
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and the others are? Bottom line both parties are unwilling to let the other pass anything of significance because they fear the other side will get credit. Both parties have lost sight on what is needed and good for the Country. Look back at Congressional budget history. Bet you will find that even when one party controlled both houses votes were pretty much down party lines. The reason for committees is to work out a budget that most likely will pass when presented to Congress and the Senate.

It all points to the fact we have elected people into office who cannot work togeather. Seems it is time for a change. To point and say it is only one parties fault is a partisan view of what is going on.
 
mike2810 said:
and the others are? Bottom line both parties are unwilling to let the other pass anything of significance because they fear the other side will get credit. Both parties have lost sight on what is needed and good for the Country. Look back at Congressional budget history. Bet you will find that even when one party controlled both houses votes were pretty much down party lines. The reason for committees is to work out a budget that most likely will pass when presented to Congress and the Senate.

It all points to the fact we have elected people into office who cannot work togeather. Seems it is time for a change. To point and say it is only one parties fault is a partisan view of what is going on.
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That is absolutely untrue, though it is the standard Republican response any time Republicans are clearly at fault ("well, they're BOTH at fault!"). It doesn't fly. Democrats have compromised time and time again in order to get anything at all done. Even then, the only thing that can motivate Republicans to do *anything* is the threat of imminent economic collapse.
 
winston53660 said:
Would you walk up to Congress with a budget and waste all time and effort, tax payers money via the printing office knowing they were going to reject it?
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Reid passed the last federal budget in April 2009. Dems controlled the House, the Senate, and the White House for another 20 months.

What were they waiting for ???
 
AdamT said:
That is absolutely untrue, though it is the standard Republican response any time Republicans are clearly at fault ("well, they're BOTH at fault!"). It doesn't fly. Democrats have compromised time and time again in order to get anything at all done. Even then, the only thing that can motivate Republicans to do *anything* is the threat of imminent economic collapse.
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So in your mind the Democrats are 100% correct on how the budget should be put togeather. You are saying that Democrats have never been a problem in budget development in this country?

So the House passes a debt ceiling bill and the Senate controlled by Democrats block it, during the part of the debt ceiling debates. Senate Democrats block Boehner debt ceiling plan after House approval - CNN.com. If this is not an example of "Both" parties playing politics, what is?

You can find numerous examples in the past where one party not in the majority, blocked, delayed, etc., a budget bill.
Can you prove in the last 20 federal budgets that one party or another got 100% of what they wanted and did no give and take? Doubt it.
 
mike2810 said:
So in your mind the Democrats are 100% correct on how the budget should be put togeather. You are saying that Democrats have never been a problem in budget development in this country?

So the House passes a debt ceiling bill and the Senate controlled by Democrats block it, during the part of the debt ceiling debates. Senate Democrats block Boehner debt ceiling plan after House approval - CNN.com. If this is not an example of "Both" parties playing politics, what is?

You can find numerous examples in the past where one party not in the majority, blocked, delayed, etc., a budget bill.
Can you prove in the last 20 federal budgets that one party or another got 100% of what they wanted and did no give and take? Doubt it.
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No, I certainly never claimed that the Democrats were 100% anything. My point is simply that Democrats are willing to compromise -- which is necessary in order to govern -- and Republicans are not.
 
AdamT said:
No, I certainly never claimed that the Democrats were 100% anything. My point is simply that Democrats are willing to compromise -- which is necessary in order to govern -- and Republicans are not.
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Your opinion which you are entitled to.
 
mike2810 said:
Your opinion which you are entitled to.
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It's not my opinion -- it's a well documented fact. I'm surprised you would even deny it, given the right wing/tea party's vocal insistance that Republicans not compromise on anything.
 
cpwill said:
:) the Great Depression wasn't a Recession either - rather consistent growth in GDP, as one poster here likes to trumpet. the Great Depression was called Great because of the length of high unemployment :). and by that measure, yes, we are getting back there again.
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So your argument is, let's continue with the same trickle down economics that brought us another Great Depression??? Yeah GOP!!!
 
AdamT said:
It's not my opinion -- it's a well documented fact. I'm surprised you would even deny it, given the right wing/tea party's vocal insistance that Republicans not compromise on anything.
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and I am surprised you continue to ignore the fact that Democrats do the same thing. I showed one link where the Senate did this year. Yes, there is a lot of web pages stating the Republicans won't compromise. There are also pages were it shows the Dems didn't compromise. Bet if you looked at it it all depends on what party ihas the Office of the President and what Party controls Congress. That is the joy of the internet.

Guess we need to get one party in control of both houses and the office of the Pres. and it won't make you happy when it happens.:lol:
 
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