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GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block

The Giant Noodle said:
Youre right! And the wealthy should pay for it with a 10% tax increase. They can afford it. Im tired of selfish people.

and that is why, no doubt, you are taking a break from DP today to write your check to the Treasury Department of all the extra money you want to donate!!!

i'm so glad people like you aren't selfish. :)
 
this is incorrect. SS will either be reformed and reduced over time because we choose to do so, or it will be dramatically reduced suddenly because the US Government has declared bankruptcy and no longer has the ability to get the money.

Or, we will simply raise the FICA cap to $180,000.
 
IOW, a person that makes $1,000 a week, will pay an additional $20 more.

Don't Libbos just beat all?

So you are ok with that hike but not a small increase to those who have plenty of belt room? Why?
 
So you are ok with that hike but not a small increase to those who have plenty of belt room? Why?

You're ok with a 5% increase in corporate tax increase but not a 2% increase in payroll taxes on employees?

It's all about everyone paying their fare shair. Right? How can you bitch about raising SS payments by employees, then at the same time piss-n-moan about SS being underfunded?
 
So you are ok with that hike but not a small increase to those who have plenty of belt room? Why?

$20, or less a week, isn't a small increase?


Actually, it's a ****ing joke. Liberal policies kill millions of jobs and everything is supposed to be made right with a $20- bump to employee paychecks?
 
$20 a week adds up to over $1,000 a year. You don't think whacking $1,000 out of the average family's income is going to affect consumer demand? What planet are you living on?
 
$20, or less a week, isn't a small increase?


Actually, it's a ****ing joke. Liberal policies kill millions of jobs and everything is supposed to be made right with a $20- bump to employee paychecks?

Hey good source. Last time I checked, thousands of years ago, Socrates even knew that rhetoric is garbage. You didn't even answer my question. Why just on the middle and lower class? Why not let the tax cuts on the elite lapse? Why not close loop holes?
 
$20, or less a week, isn't a small increase?


Actually, it's a ****ing joke. Liberal policies kill millions of jobs and everything is supposed to be made right with a $20- bump to employee paychecks?

Hey good source. Last time I checked, thousands of years ago, Socrates even knew that rhetoric is garbage. You didn't even answer my question. Why just on the middle and lower class? Why not let the tax cuts on the elite lapse? Why not close loop holes?
 
But the rich? They will have to pay a substantially small amount extra per year!

It will begin to even out the tax breaks they have received over the last 3 decades.
 
Hey good source. Last time I checked, thousands of years ago, Socrates even knew that rhetoric is garbage. You didn't even answer my question. Why just on the middle and lower class? Why not let the tax cuts on the elite lapse? Why not close loop holes?

What loopholes are you talking about? Give us some examples.
 
Liberal policies kill millions of jobs and everything is supposed to be made right with a $20- bump to employee paychecks?

We haven't implemented any liberal tax policies yet. You have to look at the past policy of trickle down economics for our current jobless plight.
 
We haven't implemented any liberal tax policies yet. You have to look at the past policy of trickle down economics for our current jobless plight.

The chicken **** payroll tax cut that gave people an extra $20- a week isn't a Liberal tax policy?

Unfortunately, the current unemployment rate has nothing to do with taxes. it's more to do with a government that is killing jobs.
 
The chicken **** payroll tax cut that gave people an extra $20- a week isn't a Liberal tax policy?

How did an extra $20 bucks a week for the working class kill jobs???

Unfortunately, the current unemployment rate has nothing to do with taxes. it's more to do with a government that is killing jobs.

You are right, it is was the government practice of trickle down economics that killed jobs. By transferring so much wealth from the middle class to the millionaires and billionaires, the masses don't have enough money to be the type of consumers our economy depends on to prosper.

That will have to change.
 
How did an extra $20 bucks a week for the working class kill jobs???



You are right, it is was the government practice of trickle down economics that killed jobs. By transferring so much wealth from the middle class to the millionaires and billionaires, the masses don't have enough money to be the type of consumers our economy depends on to prosper.

That will have to change.

So, how is that hope-n-change working for us? How many jobs have been lost under the Yes We Can regime?
 
So, how is that hope-n-change working for us? How many jobs have been lost under the Yes We Can regime?

We are not in a Great depression are we? That's what happened the last time so much wealth was concentrated at the top. The correction will need to be the same thing we did after the great depression.
 
We are not in a Great depression are we? That's what happened the last time so much wealth was concentrated at the top. The correction will need to be the same thing we did after the great depression.

No thanks to Obama. :lamo
 
Or, we will simply raise the FICA cap to $180,000.

that is the equivalent of suggesting that we balance the budget by cutting out Pork projects.
 
How did an extra $20 bucks a week for the working class kill jobs???


it didn't, except rather indirectly. neither did it help jobs.
 
We are not in a Great depression are we?

depends on the metric you are using. long term unemployment? yup. unemployment as measured against the initial start point? eh, close. growth? our growth is lower than it was during the Great Depression.
 
depends on the metric you are using. long term unemployment? yup. unemployment as measured against the initial start point? eh, close. growth? our growth is lower than it was during the Great Depression.

So why are the republicans being obstructionists?
 
IOW, a person that makes $1,000 a week, will pay an additional $20 more.

Don't Libbos just beat all?

Let's see... $20 per week is $87 per month and $1,040 per year. Do you not think that has a significant on a family living on a $52,000 income? Don't you think that income group carefully scrutinizes how it spends $100?

Realize that, unlike the tax cuts on upper incomes, each dollar given to the lower income group goes dollar for dollar back into the economy. (that group as a marginal propensity to consume approaching 1 dollar spent per dollar taken in). Putting that money back into the system means business, jobs, profits and taxes for the place where the dollar is spent and business, jobs, profits and taxes for that businesses suppliers and employees. All in, its easy to trace at least 50% of the payroll tax cut right back to the government in the form of tax revenue.

You can trivialize the $20 per paycheck, but it simply shows how incredibly insensitive and out of touch the Cons are.... It also well illustrates that a $20 per week tax on the wealthy is far less impactful than a $20 per week tax on the less wealthy, as you think $20 per week is nothing.

Thank you for being today's poster child of Conservative ignorance.
 
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it didn't, except rather indirectly. neither did it help jobs.

So tax cuts don't help jobs. That pretty much eliminates the Republican jobs plan. Next.
 
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Let's see... $20 per week is $87 per month and $1,040 per year. Do you not think that has a significant on a family living on a $52,000 income? Don't you think that income group carefully scrutinizes how it spends $100?

Realize that, unlike the tax cuts on upper incomes, each dollar given to the lower income group goes dollar for dollar back into the economy. (that group as a marginal propensity to consume approaching 1 dollar spent per dollar taken in). Putting that money back into the system means business, jobs, profits and taxes for the place where the dollar is spent and business, jobs, profits and taxes for that businesses suppliers and employees. All in, its easy to trace at least 50% of the payroll tax cut right back to the government in the form of tax revenue.

You can trivialize the $20 per paycheck, but it simply shows how incredibly insensitive and out of touch the Cons are.... It also well illustrates that a $20 per week tax on the wealthy is far less impactful than a $20 per week tax on the less wealthy, as you think $20 per week is nothing.

Thank you for being today's poster child of Conservative ignorance.

$52,000, you say? Oh, they're only going to get an extra $10 a week. Care to redo your math and see what we get?

Besides, they're going to just get the money back on their refund. It's not like they're actually paying the taxes.
 
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