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Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

Helix said:
i find it odd that many conservatives rejoice at any negative news story about non-oil fuels. for the past ten years, the message has been that anything and everything should be done to prevent terrorism, even if those measures are against the spirit of the constitution. cutting off money to terrorist organizations has also been cited as a key component of anti-terror measures. however, the predominant export of middle eastern countries (and, therefore, the predominant source of money for terror) is oil. it seems logical that a conservative would preferentially support fuels that do not fund terror. where is the disconnect?
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The disconnect is your inability to realize there ARE NO ALTERNATIVES to oil that work as well!
 
MrVicchio said:
The disconnect is your inability to realize there ARE NO ALTERNATIVES to oil that work as well!
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Roll back to the turn of the 20th century.

The disconnect is your inability to realize there ARE NO ALTERNATIVES to hay that work as well!
 
What if...? said:
Roll back to the turn of the 20th century.

The disconnect is your inability to realize there ARE NO ALTERNATIVES to hay that work as well!
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Anymore silly commentary you have to make?

oil provides us electricity, get's us moving in our vehicles, powers aircraft and shipping.

Ever see a 747 powered by batteries? How about an 18 wheeler? Oil is, the most portable, effective and reliable energy source we have. Someone comes out with a BETTER power source, that does everything oil does and watch consumers flock to it. Driving a battery powered car works for some folks, others, not so much. I drive on average 50 miles a day, to and from work. My car gets around 35 MPG. Find me a replacement that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and works as well and I'm game.
 
MrVicchio said:
The disconnect is your inability to realize there ARE NO ALTERNATIVES to oil that work as well!
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this is an example of a modern "get a horse" argument.

i would support a national initiative to create alternative domestic fuel technology that is able to compete with oil as a transportation fuel. however, the bridge between oil and whatever is next is going to most likely be electric. it seems what we should be debating is what kind of electrical grid we want to build. my preference is nuclear; possibly thorium if that technology is feasible.
 
MrVicchio said:
Anymore silly commentary you have to make?

oil provides us electricity, get's us moving in our vehicles, powers aircraft and shipping.

Ever see a 747 powered by batteries? How about an 18 wheeler? Oil is, the most portable, effective and reliable energy source we have. Someone comes out with a BETTER power source, that does everything oil does and watch consumers flock to it. Driving a battery powered car works for some folks, others, not so much. I drive on average 50 miles a day, to and from work. My car gets around 35 MPG. Find me a replacement that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and works as well and I'm game.
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Not silly at all. New things take time. "As well" is too vague. "Too expensive at this point in time", is even questionable if you figure in military expenditures to protect acess to supplies.

We need to be doing distributed generation. Solar, wind, micro-hydro (woefully underused), etc. I'm really tired of being dependent on an INDUSTRY to the extent we are.

Battery banks in electric cars represent STORAGE of electricity on a large scale.

I just can't resist pointing out how much many of these arguments sound like,
"If God had meant man to fly, he'd have given him wings."
 
MrVicchio said:
Anymore silly commentary you have to make?

oil provides us electricity, get's us moving in our vehicles, powers aircraft and shipping.

Ever see a 747 powered by batteries? How about an 18 wheeler? Oil is, the most portable, effective and reliable energy source we have. Someone comes out with a BETTER power source, that does everything oil does and watch consumers flock to it. Driving a battery powered car works for some folks, others, not so much. I drive on average 50 miles a day, to and from work. My car gets around 35 MPG. Find me a replacement that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and works as well and I'm game.
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Except when oil runs out. And when it causes global warming, and also acid rain too. Also, its mostly coal that provides electricity, oil not so much I believe. Ethanol is one alternative, it burns cleanly so it won't cause acid rain but it will still add to CO2. Electric cars can run just fine too. Oil is easy to get and use, but its running out and a lot of it comes from the Mideast, the faster we use alternatives the better. When oil starts to run out, the free market will cause prices to rise and then everyone will be complaining.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Anymore silly commentary you have to make?

oil provides us electricity, get's us moving in our vehicles, powers aircraft and shipping.

Ever see a 747 powered by batteries? How about an 18 wheeler? Oil is, the most portable, effective and reliable energy source we have. Someone comes out with a BETTER power source, that does everything oil does and watch consumers flock to it. Driving a battery powered car works for some folks, others, not so much. I drive on average 50 miles a day, to and from work. My car gets around 35 MPG. Find me a replacement that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and works as well and I'm game.
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You are right that for now there does not exist a good replacement for all applications of oil, but most people do not travel so much that an electric car will not work for them. Now, as for getting lots of mileage with an electric vehicle you will probably have to wait another decade for that.
 
What if...? said:
I just can't resist pointing out how much many of these arguments sound like,
"If God had meant man to fly, he'd have given him wings."
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And not coincidentally, the early development of airplanes was largely funded by government....
 
Opteron said:
Except when oil runs out.
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And when is that supposed to be?

And when it causes global warming
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I thought the Nobel prize winning Al Gore said it already was?

Also, its mostly coal that provides electricity
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Yep, and Obama is killing that industry purposely, invest in hamsters, and a lot of hamster wheels.....

Ethanol is one alternative, it burns cleanly so it won't cause acid rain but it will still add to CO2.
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Yes, we should burn food for fuel....Sounds dumb to me.

Oil is easy to get and use
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What? I thought you said we were running out?

but its running out and a lot of it comes from the Mideast
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Why is that? Could it be that Enviro-nuts, and liberals are strangling our own efforts to exploit our own resources in the name of artificially keeping prices high? IOW, forcing the issue?

When oil starts to run out
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Man you are all over the board here, and in one post....Amazing...

the free market will cause prices to rise and then everyone will be complaining.
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Oil prices are falling, the price at the pump is artificially high due to the purposeful meddling in the market by liberals....

j-mac
 
"Oil prices are falling, the price at the pump is artificially high due to the purposeful meddling in the market by liberals....
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Oh that's a good one! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oil prices started going nuts as a result of Bush's wild goose chase in the ME, exacerbated by uncontrolled betting in the futures market. Obama is attempting to limit the impact of speculation -- part of Dodd/Frank -- but conservatives are fighting tooth and nail to prevent the law from going into effect, or if it does, to strip it of any real enforcement authority.
 
AdamT said:
Oh that's a good one! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oil prices started going nuts as a result of Bush's wild goose chase in the ME, exacerbated by uncontrolled betting in the futures market. Obama is attempting to limit the impact of speculation -- part of Dodd/Frank -- but conservatives are fighting tooth and nail to prevent the law from going into effect, or if it does, to strip it of any real enforcement authority.
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You're damned right...That piece of crap needs to be repealed along with the rest of the progressive destruction of America agenda.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
You're damned right...That piece of crap needs to be repealed along with the rest of the progressive destruction of America agenda.

j-mac
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Right? I mean, what harm could come from the opaque OTC trading of derivatives and swaps?

:roll:
 
Demon of Light said:
You are right that for now there does not exist a good replacement for all applications of oil, but most people do not travel so much that an electric car will not work for them. Now, as for getting lots of mileage with an electric vehicle you will probably have to wait another decade for that.
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Most people can not afford an electric vehicle either. I think it would be really cool for my wife to have one. She lives close to work and the majority of her driving is local. Problem is, I'm not willing to pay what one costs as a second commuter car.
 
AdamT said:
Oh that's a good one! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oil prices started going nuts as a result of Bush's wild goose chase in the ME, exacerbated by uncontrolled betting in the futures market. Obama is attempting to limit the impact of speculation -- part of Dodd/Frank -- but conservatives are fighting tooth and nail to prevent the law from going into effect, or if it does, to strip it of any real enforcement authority.
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Dodd/Frank doesn't do squat to stop this. It is stupid to place the blame on "liberals" but nothing is being done to curb the practices that run up the costs of oil. Obama's energy secretary said he would like to see $8.00 gas.
 
1Perry said:
Dodd/Frank doesn't do squat to stop this. It is stupid to place the blame on "liberals" but nothing is being done to curb the practices that run up the costs of oil. Obama's energy secretary said he would like to see $8.00 gas.
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Incorrect. The CFTC has been tasked with drafting new rules to prevent excessive speculation by market players who are not end users of fuel (i.e., hedge funds and investment banks), but REPUBLICANS are doing everything they can to prevent the rules from being drafted and implemented. Shameful.

Political Opposition Hindering CFTC
 
j-mac said:
Man you are all over the board here, and in one post....Amazing...
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And you're just highlighting your own ignorance on this subject...

j-mac said:
Yep, and Obama is killing that industry purposely, invest in hamsters, and a lot of hamster wheels.....
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You mean things like wind turbines? Those don't do anything at all just spin round in the wind...

j-mac said:
Yes, we should burn food for fuel....Sounds dumb to me.
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What do you think oil is...? Its dead plants and dinosaur food. So your answer to a clean and renewable resource almost a replacement for regular cars is 'that sounds dumb', wonderful.

j-mac said:
What? I thought you said we were running out?
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And how does that have any relation with being easy to use and easy to get? In fact I take it back that oil is easy to get, it is easy to use though. The fact that we have to do deep water drilling now which results in things like the Gulf oil spill should tell you something.

j-mac said:
Why is that? Could it be that Enviro-nuts, and liberals are strangling our own efforts to exploit our own resources in the name of artificially keeping prices high? IOW, forcing the issue?
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You mean the drop-in-the-bucket oil reserves of ANWR which pale in comparison to other countries' reserves?

I don't see how you don't realize that oil is a non-renewable resource, it will run out. Easy to burn now, what are you going to do when its gone?
 
Opteron said:
And you're just highlighting your own ignorance on this subject...


You mean things like wind turbines? Those don't do anything at all just spin round in the wind...
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The Irony.

Windmills are horrible sources of electricity. The amount invested in Windmills in West Texas has not borne fruit.
Opteron said:
What do you think oil is...? Its dead plants and dinosaur food. So your answer to a clean and renewable resource almost a replacement for regular cars is 'that sounds dumb', wonderful.
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/blink Seriously?

Millions and millions of years worth of "dead things" made oil. Growing food crops then using them as fuel is just DUMB. Notice the price of groceries going up?
 
MrVicchio said:
The Irony.

Windmills are horrible sources of electricity. The amount invested in Windmills in West Texas has not borne fruit.
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And your proposal for replacing coal and oil when we exhaust their supplies is... Candlelight? I'll take windmills and ethanol over candlelight and horse buggy.

MrVicchio said:
/blink Seriously?

Millions and millions of years worth of "dead things" made oil. Growing food crops then using them as fuel is just DUMB. Notice the price of groceries going up?
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First, it doesn't take millions of years to grow corn. Growing your own fuel is dumb? Do you understand where all our energy comes from? It comes from sunlight or radioactive elements already present on earth. Do you understand how chemical energy is stored? And as if the US can't produce enough grain... What's dumb is discarding a clean and renewable alternative to oil because it 'sounds bad'.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
That darn liberal Costco, bunch of commie environmentalists

Oh wait Costco is an independant company seeking to make money and most likely installed the charging stations to attract certain customers. The plan didnt work.
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Could it be because those 'certain customers' have bigger mouths than ability to act upon what they preach about with alternate energy ?
 
Caine said:
Could it be because those 'certain customers' have bigger mouths than ability to act upon what they preach about with alternate energy ?
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and if it was so what?

the company made the decision, it didnt turn out the way it expected. Meaning they need better market research
 
Opteron said:
And your proposal for replacing coal and oil when we exhaust their supplies is... Candlelight? I'll take windmills and ethanol over candlelight and horse buggy.


First, it doesn't take millions of years to grow corn. Growing your own fuel is dumb? Do you understand where all our energy comes from? It comes from sunlight or radioactive elements already present on earth. Do you understand how chemical energy is stored? And as if the US can't produce enough grain... What's dumb is discarding a clean and renewable alternative to oil because it 'sounds bad'.
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I think most people have figured out that corn ethanol isn't the greatest idea in the world. But you can make ethanol out of a lot of different things. Brazil makes a huge amount of ethanol out of sugar cane. There's a lot of experimentation going on trying to find efficient ways to make ethanol from various scrub crops, like saw grass.
 
AdamT said:
Incorrect. The CFTC has been tasked with drafting new rules to prevent excessive speculation by market players who are not end users of fuel (i.e., hedge funds and investment banks), but REPUBLICANS are doing everything they can to prevent the rules from being drafted and implemented. Shameful.

Political Opposition Hindering CFTC
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B.S. It's not going to stop and you know it. If Dodd/Frank had wanted to do this, it could have. Basically they create more bloated government agencies that will draw lobbyist like flies. If they wanted to do that, they would have just done it.
 
1Perry said:
B.S. It's not going to stop and you know it. If Dodd/Frank had wanted to do this, it could have. Basically they create more bloated government agencies that will draw lobbyist like flies. If they wanted to do that, they would have just done it.
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You actually cannot do it without promulgating rules to put it into effect. Why are Republicans trying to block it? Do you have an answer for that?
 
AdamT said:
You actually cannot do it without promulgating rules to put it into effect. Why are Republicans trying to block it? Do you have an answer for that?
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Read here...

On April 1, Republican Senator Jim DeMint, from South Carolina, introduced a bill to repeal Dodd-Frank, called the Financial Takeover Repeal Bill 2011. It has 18 Republican co-sponsors but no chance of passing while the Democrats control the Senate. But it points to what might happen if the Democrats lose their majority.

Other opponents of Dodd-Frank have also been growing feistier. In the months leading to the passage of Dodd-Frank in July 2010, the banking industry, which clearly disliked the proposed legislation, largely kept below the parapet. Criticism was generally expressed in a spirit of collegiate co-operation rather than outright opposition. In the wake of the worst financial crisis since the 1930s, it would not have been politic for bankers to have openly attacked the Hill’s efforts, however maladroit, to prevent a recurrence.

Now, however, it seems an increasing number of senior bankers aren’t going to take it any more. At the end of last month, Jamie Dimon, chief executive of JP Morgan, opened fire on financial regulation and new, more rigorous capital standards. He said Dodd-Frank’s insistence that companies post collateral for trading a broad range of derivatives would “damage America”.

The upshot of Dodd-Frank was, he suggested, that it had replaced a system, which was already overcomplicated and had too many regulators, with an even more complex one that has yet more regulators. “Rather than simplifying and strengthening, we added more,” he said.

In the same week, ex-Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan wrote an article in which he warned Dodd-Frank could create the “largest regulatory-induced market distortion” in the US since wage and price controls were imposed by the Nixon administration 40 years ago. He suggested intrusive regulation was never the right answer, as regulators can rarely get more than a partial picture of the workings of an ever more complicated financial system.

Opposition to Dodd-Frank regulations grows louder
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More regulation, and onerous rules is not going to make banks free up money to lend that the economy needs....You libs have a real problem with who you think you can just push around.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
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More regulation, and onerous rules is not going to make banks free up money to lend that the economy needs....You libs have a real problem with who you think you can just push around.

j-mac
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You've got to be kidding me. The arguments the banksters are making now are the exact same arguments they made for deregulating derivatives in the late 90s. How did that work out? "Yeah, we really need Graham Leach Bliley and the CFA! You're holding back the free market!"

Yuh ... holding back the free market from blowing up the world's economy.
 
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