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teamosil said:
So what does that have to do with vigilante groups trying to prevent people from voting on the basis of their race?
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I would suggest that most of the members of those minority groups (who generally vote Liberal) wouldn't get more than a 30% grade on that exam. Therefore, they are people who I don't believe should be voting in the first place.

teamosil said:
As for merit-based voting rights, you probably don't actually want to go down that road. Almost 2/3 of people with graduate degrees describe themselves as liberal.
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I'd be willing to bet that at least half of them would fail the exam.
 
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teamosil said:
Immigration courts are way over capacity as is. It currently takes 18 months for somebody who is detained to get deported and that window is just getting longer. Detaining more people doesn't mean more people get deported, it just means they are in detention centers for longer at our expense. So, definitely prioritizing in on the highest priority people makes sense. Does anybody actually disagree with that?
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Let them stay in jail until they are deported.It will be an incentive to not come here illegally if they have to rot in jail for a year before being deported.
 
jamesrage said:
Let them stay in jail until they are deported.It will be an incentive to not come here illegally if they have to rot in jail for a year before being deported.
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It is also extremely expensive.
 
Tigger said:
I would suggest that most of the members of those minority groups (who generally vote Liberal) wouldn't get more than a 30% grade on that exam. Therefore, they are people who I don't believe should be voting in the first place.

I'd be willing to bet that at least half of them would fail the exam.
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Ok, so you're just going for the straight up white supremacist angle. Well, I don't think most Americans would agree with your morals and I do think most Americans are less ignorant than that, so your views aren't really very relevant.
 
teamosil said:
Ok, so you're just going for the straight up white supremacist angle. Well, I don't think most Americans would agree with your morals and I do think most Americans are less ignorant than that, so your views aren't really very relevant.
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Not at all. I'm just saying that most of these minority groups do not do what my ancestors did when they got here anywhere from 101 to several hundred years ago; which is to learn how things are done HERE. Too many of these people think they should be allowed to reap the benefits of being here in the United States without ever learning what the US is supposed to be about. Regardless of where they're from originally.
 
Tigger said:
Not at all. I'm just saying that most of these minority groups do not do what my ancestors did when they got here anywhere from 101 to several hundred years ago; which is to learn how things are done HERE. Too many of these people think they should be allowed to reap the benefits of being here in the United States without ever learning what the US is supposed to be about. Regardless of where they're from originally.
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You're arguing that minorities tend to be ignorant, so you're ok with excluding them from voting based on the color of their skin, right? Obviously that is white supremacy to exclude people from voting based on the color of their skin. I can't think of anything more clearly white supremacist than that... If you honestly don't see even that as white supremacist, then you really need to take a step back and re-evaluate things.
 
Tigger said:
I want to see it changed. I can take all the paragraphs of that law and simplify it to a couple sentences.....

"Nobody is allowed to be in the United States unless they are a Citizen of the United States. Any non-citizen found in the United States will be executed on the spot."
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Somehow I don't think it would go over well if our government started shooting foreign heads of state, international religious figures, foreign tourists taking their families to Disney World, and traveling businesspeople. :roll:
 
teamosil said:
You're arguing that minorities tend to be ignorant, so you're ok with excluding them from voting based on the color of their skin, right? Obviously that is white supremacy to exclude people from voting based on the color of their skin. I can't think of anything more clearly white supremacist than that... If you honestly don't see even that as white supremacist, then you really need to take a step back and re-evaluate things.
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No. I'm arguing that all of the ignorants; regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, etc... need to be excluded from voting.


Kandahar said:
Somehow I don't think it would go over well if our government started shooting foreign heads of state, international religious figures, foreign tourists taking their families to Disney World, and traveling businesspeople. :roll:
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You seem to be under the notion that in my vision of things these people would be allowed to legally come here in the first place. That would be a mistake on your part.
 
Tigger said:
No. I'm arguing that all of the ignorants; regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, etc... need to be excluded from voting.
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We're talking about groups acting to prevent people from voting based on their race. Earlier you appeared to be claiming that was a good thing. Do you think it is a good thing or a bad thing?

Tigger said:
You seem to be under the notion that in my vision of things these people would be allowed to legally come here in the first place. That would be a mistake on your part.
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Wow. So you're arguing that the US should not accept tourists, international businesspeople, ambassadors... Just literally seal itself off completely from the rest of the world? Why pray tell do you support such an insance position?
 
teamosil said:
We're talking about groups acting to prevent people from voting based on their race. Earlier you appeared to be claiming that was a good thing. Do you think it is a good thing or a bad thing?
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Based on race SOLELY, I think it's a bad thing. However, with the examination I proposed earlier, I have to believe that you would see a major portion of the non-Asian minority populations in this nation removed from the voting rolls very quickly.


teamosil said:
Wow. So you're arguing that the US should not accept tourists, international businesspeople, ambassadors... Just literally seal itself off completely from the rest of the world? Why pray tell do you support such an insance position?
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I am a Nationalist and an Isolationist. I always have been. I see the intent of America as having been an island of decency in the vast sea of filth that makes up the majority of the human race.
 
Tigger said:
I am a Nationalist and an Isolationist. I always have been. I see the intent of America as having been an island of decency in the vast sea of filth that makes up the majority of the human race.
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And I think our island would be a lot more decent if you were voted off.
 
Kandahar said:
And I think our island would be a lot more decent if you were voted off.
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Trust me, I've been looking for somewhere to go for 20 years. As soon as I find it, I'll be gone.
 
Tigger said:
Based on race SOLELY, I think it's a bad thing. However, with the examination I proposed earlier, I have to believe that you would see a major portion of the non-Asian minority populations in this nation removed from the voting rolls very quickly.

I am a Nationalist and an Isolationist. I always have been. I see the intent of America as having been an island of decency in the vast sea of filth that makes up the majority of the human race.
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Well, these views combined with your stance on the other thread that you openly support totalitarianism really doesn't leave me with much to do except say that I strongly disagree with everything you stand for and think you would do well to take some time to rethink things.
 
teamosil said:
Well, these views combined with your stance on the other thread that you openly support totalitarianism really doesn't leave me with much to do except say that I strongly disagree with everything you stand for and think you would do well to take some time to rethink things.
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That's fine. We don't have to agree on this or anything. As for rethinking things... it isn't going to happen but I give you a lot of credit for being civil about things.
 
teamosil said:
It is also extremely expensive.
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Enforcing the law is never cheap.So cost is not a issue. Telling illegals that we will not deport you send the message to them to come right in and not even worry about getting caught.
 
teamosil said:
It is also extremely expensive.
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Simon W. Moon said:
We would have to increase govt spending to alleviate the probem.
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The whole point of government is to protect the nation, not to be an insurance company. Border protection and national defense are Mission #1. Without the government doing it's job on its prime mission, the government loses its credibility. Oh wait . . . never mind, it's too late.
 
RiverDad said:
The whole point of government is to protect the nation, not to be an insurance company. Border protection and national defense are Mission #1. Without the government doing it's job on its prime mission, the government loses its credibility. Oh wait . . . never mind, it's too late.
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Mind that I am not making a case that it shouldn't be done, just pointing out the reason why it hasn't been done. In addition, we don't have the infrastructure in place to process that many people in a meaningful amount of time. So, it would be $150bil, plus the additional personnel and buildings, etc

Sell that plan.
 
Tigger said:
At some point in time the American Citizenry is going to have to step up and start doing the job the LEO's and Government are not willing or capable of doing in terms of enforcing the Laws of our land.
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I think you should go first
 
Simon W. Moon said:
It kind of is an issue.
$12,500 per * 12,000,000 illegal aliens = $150,000,000,000
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And the rightwingers desire to cut spending gets tossed under the bus :lamo

Rightwingers have no principles, just arguments they use to win debates on the internet and discard when incovenient
 
sangha said:
And the rightwingers desire to cut spending gets tossed under the bus :lamo

Rightwingers have no principles, just arguments they use to win debates on the internet and discard when incovenient
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I can't believe you're stereotyping in this way. How do you define "rightwingers"? How do you know that they have no principles? None? Not any at all?
 
nota bene said:
I can't believe you're stereotyping in this way. How do you define "rightwingers"? How do you know that they have no principles? None? Not any at all?
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Dumb questions, but I just had me some sex, so I'm in a benevolent mood

1) Rightwingers are people who believe in rightwing principles (or at least they say they do)
2) Experience, like watching them throw their reightwing principles under the bus just to win a debate (like the way they are doing here)
3) Well, there is one principle they adhere to at all times...like Charlie Sheen, they're addicted to winning
 
sangha said:
And the rightwingers desire to cut spending gets tossed under the bus :lamo

Rightwingers have no principles, just arguments they use to win debates on the internet and discard when incovenient
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It's all a part of the grand scheme. First we get the left to acknowledge that the Right has superior arguments. Then when they're demoralized from losing arguments on the internet, we plan to strike by implementing those grand schemes in the halls of power.

Hey, if you're going to set em up, I'll be happy to hit the ball.
 
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