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All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

Harry Guerrilla said:
So they can't get food stamps?
We need another program to feed people, when they already qualify for a program the feeds them.

I don't think allowing parents to be ****ty, is a good way to "fix" things.
Just makes you an enabler.
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We shouldnt give govt welfare to children who don't need it, but it's wonderful to give govt welfare to profit making corporations. :roll:

Rightwing Logic in Action
 
Temporal said:
It's not like the free meals are going to be amazing. Children who have food at home will probably eat better things with their parents. Also, assessing who does and doesn't need food takes too much time, plus it's intrusive. If everyone has access then it happens more effectively. I don't think everyone is going to be flocking to the cafeteria to take advantage of a deal. In primary school I had access to free meals but almost never took them, except on the odd day I felt more hungry than usual.
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Assessing who does and doesn't need food stamps takes too much time, plus it's intrusive.

What?

They aren't worried about the process. They're worried about stigma.

But, if the process is messed up, fix it. It's not like plenty of government agencies don't have all the info plus a lot more that a parent would reasonably need to provide for free school meals. And it's not like it could possibly take longer than the amount of time (ever-increasing due to budget woes) that kids have for summer break. You could fit everything that needs to be there for assessment on a single piece of paper.

But again, it's a moot point since they don't seem to be complaining about that.

And, that has nothing to do with the viability of code systems. Which tons of schools use, and have no problems with.

Children's food preferences also have nothing to do with it. I wasn't on free lunch. But I had to get up at 5:30am to get to school. To hell with packing a lunch. I ate what the school served. Some meals were healthy, some weren't. You picked how you wanted to eat. Also, with the obesity epidemic we have going on, there's no guarantee a kid will eat better at home.
 
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1Perry said:
Let's get this out of the way. This isn't about paying for meals for kids whose parents are struggling. It's about paying for meals for parents who are doing fine and lying about why you are doing it.

Hopefully we can continue from there.
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I don't think someone who is honestly struggling enough that my tax dollars are needed to feed their child should be walking around with a gold chain around their neck.
 
Mathematician said:
I don't think someone who is honestly struggling enough that my tax dollars are needed to feed their child should be walking aroun with a gold chain around their neck.
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I agree. If every kid gets a free lunch, there won't be enough gold for the corporate CEOs to make watches with :roll:
 
tessaesque said:
Uhm...that's what auto-pay accounts were designed to do. Parents who didn't qualify for free lunch programs deposited money into their child's account, and the free-lunch kids had "money" deposited into their accounts. Each kid enters their number at the "checkout" and then carries their plate off to the table. Non-free lunches were tracked and when funds got low e-mails were sent to parents.

Why in the world are we subsizing people who can and should be taking care of their own children all for the sake of the smaller percentage who need the help? There are cheaper, more efficient ways to use tax payer money to cater to the emotional health of poverty-stricken children.
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Yep, that makes the most sense. It was the way my school worked, I don't know why they couldn't do this.
 
MistressNomad said:
Assessing who does and doesn't need food stamps takes too much time, plus it's intrusive.

What?

If the process is messed up, fix it. It's not like plenty of government agencies don't have all the info plus a lot more that a parent would reasonably need to provide for free school meals. And it's not like it could possibly take longer than the amount of time (ever-increasing due to budget woes) that kids have for summer break. You could fit everything that needs to be there for assessment on a single piece of paper.

And, that has nothing to do with the viability of code systems. Which the majority of schools use, and have no problems with.

Children's food preferences also have nothing to do with it. I wasn't on free lunch. But I had to get up at 5:30am to get to school. To hell with packing a lunch.
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Applying for reduced or free lunches for us is one short page - list people in the home and ages - income for each. Add it up - done. You don't even need to apply to see if you qualify - there's a chart that accompanies it and breaks down 'number of people in your household RE qualifying income brackets' You can determine for yourself just by looking. Proof of income isn't even necessary except for the occasional verification process that's done at random.

The only time it was a problem for me (in the past - when I did this) was when they required verification that I didn't work and didn't have income. . . that was actually annoying as hell.
 
sangha said:
Because it takes an investment of money and Detroit isn't exactly swimming in it
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Then why can't the feds do that instead of paying for everyone's meal? Seriously, this is the wrong way to solve this problem.
 
MistressNomad said:
But Detroit isn't paying for this. It's a federal initiative.
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The fed initiative doesn't pay for that. It pays for this school lunch program It's part of our govts corporate welfare program for food producers (ie corn, wheat, chicken, beef, etc).
 
sangha said:
The fed initiative doesn't pay for that. It pays for this school lunch program It's part of our govts corporate welfare program for food producers (ie corn, wheat, chicken, beef, etc).
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So your rationale is the feds can't pay for it because they say they can't, when they easily could, and it would save us money?
 
sangha said:
The fed initiative doesn't pay for that. It pays for this school lunch program It's part of our govts corporate welfare program for food producers (ie corn, wheat, chicken, beef, etc).
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So why couldn't it pay to install these systems? They're not complicated or hard to maintain. The long-run cost would be a lot less.

If they can pay for this, why can't they pay for code systems? It's only a pilot program. It would cost almost nothing, relative to what the government spends.
 
liblady said:
i was embarrassed.
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What is there to be embarrassed about? You got free food, some kids didn't and some kids brought lunch from home. I guess that when I was a kid the kids were not thin skinned over such trivial issues.
 
liblady said:
what about people who have kids when they can take of them and then lose their jobs? jeez. or let's say all those kids in detroit have freeloading, able to find work parents who refuse to find or keep employment. don't those kids still need to eat?
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It's as if they're too stupid to figure out that people can lose their job after they have kids. :roll:
 
Your Star said:
So your rationale is the feds can't pay for it because they say they can't, when they easily could, and it would save us money?
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They could, but they won't as long as we have rightwingers and teabaggers supporting these corporate welfare programs.

Come just the thread linked below and watch as the rightwingers refuse to identify even one corporate welfare program they would support ending
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...programs-good-place-cut-government-spend.html
 
MistressNomad said:
So why couldn't it pay to install these systems? They're not complicated or hard to maintain. The long-run cost would be a lot less.

If they can pay for this, why can't they pay for code systems? It's only a pilot program. It would cost almost nothing, relative to what the government spends.
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Because doing so would reduce welfare payments to their (the politicians) corporate masters.
 
In order to request welfare, I believe one should have to consent to financial monitoring and/or financial restrictions. Who will disagree with me when I argue that needs come before wants? Presuming most agree, providing needs for others while they are purchasing wants implies we have helped them more than necessary.
 
Mathematician said:
In order to request welfare, I believe one should have to consent to financial monitoring and/or financial restrictions. Who will disagree with me when I argue that needs come before wants? Presuming most agree, providing needs for others while they are purchasing wants implies we have helped them more than necessary.
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In order to request welfare, one DOES have to consent to financial monitoring and/or financial restrictions.
 
1Perry said:
Exactly. There is no stigma. Kids have no idea who gets a bill sent home and who doesn't. Seem to me to be nothing but an attempt to get more and more people reliant upon the government.
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Yes, because as we all know, kids who aren't on welfare now, will go on welfare once they hit 20+ just to get free lunches. All because they got free lunches in 3rd grade. :roll:
 
sangha said:
In order to request welfare, one DOES have to consent to financial monitoring and/or financial restrictions.
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...of insufficient strictness. Under the rule of thumb I stated for how much to help, numbers will show that most do not NEED the support they are receiving. I reiterate, seeing gold jewelry on someone convinces me they don't need my help yet.
 
Mathematician said:
...of insufficient strictness. Under the rule of thumb I stated for how much to help, numbers will show that most do not NEED the support they are receiving. I reiterate, seeing gold jewelry on someone convinces me they don't need my help yet.
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I agree. Big Factory Farms do not need govt welfare
 
Hatuey said:
Yes, because as we all know, kids who aren't on welfare now, will go on welfare once they hit 20+ just to get free lunches. All because they got free lunches in 3rd grade. :roll:
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And that free education crap, can't have them thinking our society actually care's about them. When they graduate, send them all a bill, if they can't pay it, off to work in the mines!!!
 
Mathematician said:
...of insufficient strictness. Under the rule of thumb I stated for how much to help, numbers will show that most do not NEED the support they are receiving. I reiterate, seeing gold jewelry on someone convinces me they don't need my help yet.
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You can not tell when or if they bought it that gold jewelry. It could be a gift, family heirloom it could be fake or they may have bought it long ago.
 
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