Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
You proved nothing other than you are a typical liberal who cannot admit when wrong. BLS disagrees with you and that is the only data that matters.

Link to the BLS data, then, if you think it makes your case. Because no one believes you -- seriously.

"Texas tied with Mississippi for states having the highest percentage of hourly paid workers earning the minimum wage or less in 2010.

Some 550,000 Texans, or 9.5 percent of hourly paid workers, made the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour or less last year. That's up 76,000 workers, or 16 percent, from 2009, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Monday.

Leslie Helmcamp, a policy analyst with the Austin-based Center for Public Policy Priorities, which focuses on low- and moderate-income Texans, called the numbers “alarming.”

“The higher proportion of hourly paid workers who are earning at or below the minimum wage is reflective of our low high school and college completion rates,” Helmcamp said. “We can only attract higher-paying jobs if we are able to move more Texans into higher education and ultimately complete a college degree.”

Read more: Texas: The minimum-wage state - San Antonio Express-News

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

TheNextEra said:
None of which proves your case. Shall you quote from the above that proves your case right?

Look, I really don't give a damn, you want to spout misinformation, so be it. What is it about liberals that creates people like you. The facts are available, get them. I am not going to post McDonalds compensation information on line. I know what I have and know how I competed against. whether you believe it or not is irrelevant to me

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Look, I really don't give a damn, you want to spout misinformation, so be it. What is it about liberals that creates people like you. The facts are available, get them. I am not going to post McDonalds compensation information on line. I know what I have and know how I competed against. whether you believe it or not is irrelevant to me

In other words, you just make sh*t up as you go along, and when you're called on it, you either ignore it or you say you don't care. Pathetic.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Link to the BLS data, then, if you think it makes your case. Because no one believes you -- seriously.

"Texas tied with Mississippi for states having the highest percentage of hourly paid workers earning the minimum wage or less in 2010.

Some 550,000 Texans, or 9.5 percent of hourly paid workers, made the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour or less last year. That's up 76,000 workers, or 16 percent, from 2009, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Monday.

Leslie Helmcamp, a policy analyst with the Austin-based Center for Public Policy Priorities, which focuses on low- and moderate-income Texans, called the numbers “alarming.”

“The higher proportion of hourly paid workers who are earning at or below the minimum wage is reflective of our low high school and college completion rates,” Helmcamp said. “We can only attract higher-paying jobs if we are able to move more Texans into higher education and ultimately complete a college degree.”

Read more: Texas: The minimum-wage state - San Antonio Express-News

The labor force in TX is over 12 million people and there are 550,000 minimum wage jobs in the state, what percentage is that? Looks like someone doesn't have a clue how to figure out the percentage

ric27 · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
Plus, you have yet to address the more social issues that I take issue with him on. Those are important to me too, since the economy is only part of this country and not likely going to get much worse at this point the way it is currently going.

The hell with anything else, the candidate that can show he/she has a record of creating jobs and seeing their state/consituency not fall into debt is going to be the one everyone likes more -- Enter Perry.

Everyone needs a job.

Remember - The economic meltdown fried McCain (your candidate in '08). The failure to remedy the situation, and leading us into another downturn, will likely fry Obama in 2012

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
The labor force in TX is over 12 million people and there are 550,000 minimum wage jobs in the state, what percentage is that? Looks like someone doesn't have a clue how to figure out the percentage

The percentage is the highest percentage of any state in the country, save Mississippi, with which you tie for last. Fact.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
sorry but without a strong economy and defense nothing else matters. As for govt. jobs, TX has a labor force of over 12 million and 1.8 million govt. jobs or less than 10%. The Irish times? Come on, you can do better than that. Read what has been posted here on economic results for TX and then go to bls.gov and research the site. That has all the employment data you could ever want. Show me that you aren't really a full blown liberal and get the facts.

As for social issues, I am against SSM and never will be, Civil unions serve the same purpose and the only ones that want SSM are the trouble makers and I have no use for them. I am a traditionalist and will always remain one

I would love to see us be able to be almost self sufficient for our personal needs, such as family gardens and self supported electricity. This would then make it easier for people to actually be able to work in what they want, for what they want without having to worry too much about how their family will eat or survive just from the money they make. It would probably lead to a better economy and wealth distribution all around too.

What facts am I missing? Where did Perry make these jobs for the state of TX? You should know right? You are the one who is hounding about how good he has been for TX. If he is that good at making jobs, then what is doing it? What proof do you have to show that it is due to his policies and not the things that I have mentioned.

I looked and found that government jobs were rising steadily in TX until May 2010, now they are in a slow decline, most likely due to budget shortfalls. This isn't a positive thing. And much of the rest of the data goes along with what I have been reading. If you want to show me something significant, point me to something specific, not just the entire BLS website.

And I am for SSM and that will not change. It is quite obvious that Perry is not, even in just leaving it to the states, since he wants a marriage amendment. This is not smaller government. In fact, it is the very opposite of the government staying out of the business of the people since it is restricting people on who they can enter into a social contract with based solely on the sex of those involved.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Link to the BLS data, then, if you think it makes your case. Because no one believes you -- seriously.

"Texas tied with Mississippi for states having the highest percentage of hourly paid workers earning the minimum wage or less in 2010.

Some 550,000 Texans, or 9.5 percent of hourly paid workers, made the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour or less last year. That's up 76,000 workers, or 16 percent, from 2009, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Monday.

Leslie Helmcamp, a policy analyst with the Austin-based Center for Public Policy Priorities, which focuses on low- and moderate-income Texans, called the numbers “alarming.”

“The higher proportion of hourly paid workers who are earning at or below the minimum wage is reflective of our low high school and college completion rates,” Helmcamp said. “We can only attract higher-paying jobs if we are able to move more Texans into higher education and ultimately complete a college degree.”

Read more: Texas: The minimum-wage state - San Antonio Express-News

One of your own posted the following

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Shows the labor force in TX so using the number 550,000 what is the percentage of that labor force in minimum wage jobs?

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

TheNextEra said:
So are you saying that minimum wage jobs that those provided by McDonalds are able to sustain a family? Not sure what you are trying to state. Right now the FAMILY household is trying to sustain itself and people like you are saying those in Texas providing MINIMUM wage jobs are doing just that. Remember TX is leading the country in MIN wage jobs, so how is that helping a family?

Never said such a thing or even implied it, but are you implying that McDonald is the major employer in Texas? Texas is just about on par with the rest of the country.
Here is some census info:
Median household income, 2009 $48,286 Nation wide $50,221
Persons below poverty level, percent, 2009 17.1% Nation wide 14.3%
Texas QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
One of your own posted the following

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Shows the labor force in TX so using the number 550,000 what is the percentage of that labor force in minimum wage jobs?

Check the last chart on this BLS page and then explain why Texas's numbers are SHOCKINGLY worse than every other state in the country (save MS): Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2010

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

ric27 said:
The hell with anything else, the candidate that can show he/she has a record of creating jobs and seeing their state/consituency not fall into debt is going to be the one everyone likes more -- Enter Perry.

Everyone needs a job.

Remember - The economic meltdown fried McCain (your candidate in '08). The failure to remedy the situation, and leading us into another downturn, will likely fry Obama in 2012

Why should I be concerned about the economy when it comes to Perry vs Obama when neither candidate can show me a good economic policy to get this country back on track faster? Don't get me wrong, I want the economy to improve. But it isn't like Perry has given us the magical answer for that. And from what I have seen about his running of TX, he doesn't actually have it. He is basing his claims on a product of circumstance.

What are you guys going to say if the national economy continues to improve and the TX economy continues to decline? Whose fault will that be?

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Show me where Marriage is defined in the Constitution and I will change my mind.

Well that's easy ...

Amendment XIV, Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Allowing a heterosexual the legal right to marry whom ever they want while denying homosexuals that same opportunity is denying them equal protection of the law. And it's discrimanitory based by gender, which is even further violation.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Marriage has nothing to do with equality and isn't a civil right, get over it.

Oh, what is it?

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
That is a lie, they have the highest number but not the highest percentage. You don't know what you are talking about. what percentage of 12.2 million is 550,000?

And here I thought you were allergic to percentages. Who knew you like them when it suits your argument?

:lamo

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Check the last chart on this BLS page and then explain why Texas's numbers are SHOCKINGLY worse than every other state in the country: Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2010

If you don't get a good education you could be one of those low income earners. Let's see if you can understand what I am going to say, 550,000 is the largest number of minimum wage workers in the nation but with a labor force of over 12 million that is less than 5% since you cannot calculate the percentage. The employees that make minimum wage here average between 16-24 years of age and many are second income earners if they are a family member. Very few are head of household. IMO doesn't really matter and what you want to ignore is that there are over 25 million unemployed or under employed people in this country today. The unemployed are being paid by taxpayer dollars, those making any wage aren't. You are funding people to sit on their asses all because working any job is beneath some people

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Well that's easy ...

Amendment XIV, Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Allowing a heterosexual the legal right to marry whom ever they want while denying homosexuals that same opportunity is denying them equal protection of the law. And it's discrimanitory based by gender, which is even further violation.

I don't see marriage defined or even mentioned in there, thanks for posting.

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
If you don't get a good education you could be one of those low income earners. Let's see if you can understand what I am going to say, 550,000 is the largest number of minimum wage workers in the nation but with a labor force of over 12 million that is less than 5% since you cannot calculate the percentage. The employees that make minimum wage here average between 16-24 years of age and many are second income earners if they are a family member. Very few are head of household. IMO doesn't really matter and what you want to ignore is that there are over 25 million unemployed or under employed people in this country today. The unemployed are being paid by taxpayer dollars, those making any wage aren't. You are funding people to sit on their asses all because working any job is beneath some people

STOP SPINNING! The chart on the page I linked provides the PERCENTAGE NUMBERS for each state, and Texas and MS have the highest PERCENTAGE of minimum wage workers by population in the country. Just admit that you were wrong for once in your life. It won't kill you.

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
Why should I be concerned about the economy when it comes to Perry vs Obama when neither candidate can show me a good economic policy to get this country back on track faster? Don't get me wrong, I want the economy to improve. But it isn't like Perry has given us the magical answer for that. And from what I have seen about his running of TX, he doesn't actually have it. He is basing his claims on a product of circumstance.

What are you guys going to say if the national economy continues to improve and the TX economy continues to decline? Whose fault will that be?

You make good points here but, what Perry is more than most others is that he is closer aligned with the constitution, not saying he is exactly but it appears to be. The best plan for economical recovery is for the government to step aside and this is the impression I am getting from Perry. My mind isn't made up by any stretch but I am not ready to bury him, the left as you can see already made their mind up the seconds after he hinted about running and nothing will change it.

finebead · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Actual results prove you wrong, keep ignoring them and those numbers are 2 1/2 years after Obama took office. I don't think you really have a clue and think only with your heart. From Houston? Hmmm, must be in Sheil Jackson Lee's District

By the way the Obama stimulus program was sold as an infrastructure program. How did that work out for you?

You are wrong again, I don't live in Sheila Jackson Lee's district; I am white, not black. That's racial prejudice assumption that is so prevalent on the conservative side is one reason the conservative position has lost acceptance in the nation, and you represent it well!

I said I would have preferred to spend the stimulus differently. I don't think Obama walks on water. I don't like the way the executive branch works with congress, but I also dislike the way the repub leadership in congress conducts themselves, only directed to winning the next election and not to trying to do what is best for the nation. Mitch McConnell says the single most important job is to defeat Obama, but it is not. The most important job is to create a sound economy and get people back to work, and as we are one of the richest nations on earth to help those who can't take care of themselves, and to do it all fairly to all other citizens. But, the repubs won't do what is right. They are selfish and will hurt the nation in order just to make Obama look bad so they can win the next election, which they say is job one for them.

I can take an objective view of Obama, but you have not shown an objective view of Obama, nor the failings of the repubs when they held the house, senate and white house from 2001-2006 and the white house through 2008 when the housing bubble was created on their watch and it blew up on their watch, when the banking sector was nuked, when the US waged war on Iraq over weapons of mass destruction that did not exist (at a cost of a trillion dollars, 4,400 dead, 30,000 wounded half of which could not return to combat status). There is nothing that Obama has done that nearly rises to the destruction of the economy by the repubs in the prior administration. So, why should I believe they have a clue how to fix things, when they just spout the same old lines we heard back in 2001?

Obama is doing a better job than Bush did.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
Why should I be concerned about the economy when it comes to Perry vs Obama when neither candidate can show me a good economic policy to get this country back on track faster? Don't get me wrong, I want the economy to improve. But it isn't like Perry has given us the magical answer for that. And from what I have seen about his running of TX, he doesn't actually have it. He is basing his claims on a product of circumstance.

What are you guys going to say if the national economy continues to improve and the TX economy continues to decline? Whose fault will that be?

I don't think that is going to happen. TX has basically escaped most of the hardships created by the recession and continues to grow jobs. Right now however the population and labor force are growing so fact that it is having a hard time keeping up. I think TX will continue to thrive over all though as it always has. It is a pro business state and businesses are moving here all the time. Going to get really bad though if Obama does raise taxes as more and more businesses are going to look for low tax states and move there to compensate for paying higher federal taxes.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
In other words, you just make sh*t up as you go along, and when you're called on it, you either ignore it or you say you don't care. Pathetic.

In a nutshell ... yeah.

I've caught him lying so many times and called him on it that he's claimed to ignore me 3 separate times now. Of course that too appears to be a lie because he's still posting to me. :roll:

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

finebead said:
You are wrong again, I don't live in Sheila Jackson Lee's district; I am white, not black. That's racial prejudice assumption that is so prevalent on the conservative side is one reason the conservative position has lost acceptance in the nation, and you represent it well!

I said I would have preferred to spend the stimulus differently. I don't think Obama walks on water. I don't like the way the executive branch works with congress, but I also dislike the way the repub leadership in congress conducts themselves, only directed to winning the next election and not to trying to do what is best for the nation. Mitch McConnell says the single most important job is to defeat Obama, but it is not. The most important job is to create a sound economy and get people back to work, and as we are one of the richest nations on earth to help those who can't take care of themselves, and to do it all fairly to all other citizens. But, the repubs won't do what is right. They are selfish and will hurt the nation in order just to make Obama look bad so they can win the next election, which they say is job one for them.

I can take an objective view of Obama, but you have not shown an objective view of Obama, nor the failings of the repubs when they held the house, senate and white house from 2001-2006 and the white house through 2008 when the housing bubble was created on their watch and it blew up on their watch, when the banking sector was nuked, when the US waged war on Iraq over weapons of mass destruction that did not exist (at a cost of a trillion dollars, 4,400 dead, 30,000 wounded half of which could not return to combat status). There is nothing that Obama has done that nearly rises to the destruction of the economy by the repubs in the prior administration. So, why should I believe they have a clue how to fix things, when they just spout the same old lines we heard back in 2001?

Obama is doing a better job than Bush did.

Don't vote for Bush in 2012 and to continue to relive the past is fruitless. when you make the comments you made you sound like a Lee supporter, glad to hear you are smarter than that, so now show it.

When does this economy become Obama's in your world. Please explain to me why their are fewer people employed today than when Obama took office, more people unemployed today than when Obama took office. Why the GDP growth in 2011 is lower than it was in 2010 and why the cost of 4 trillion added to the debt created those numbers? Businesses aren't hiring and that is because Busineses cannot print money, there has to be demand for products and Obama scares the hell out of businesses and the consumer. The results are there for all to see, when you will look at the results and stop buying the rhetoric?

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
You make good points here but, what Perry is more than most other is that he is closer aligned with the constitution, not saying he is exactly but it appears to be. The best plan for economical recovery is for the government to step aside and this is the impression I am getting from Perry. My mind isn't made up by any stretch but I am not ready to bury him, the left as you can see already made their mind up the secons he hinted about running and nothing will change it.

I've made up my mind about him so far because he isn't showing me anything special about getting the economy back on track and he is certainly not an ideal choice for me on social issues. So, I will probably vote for Obama, if he gets the nomination, rather than get someone who is possibly going to cause harm to people on the social issues.

As for the Constitutional issues, I see a need for having a somewhat stronger federal government than we had or needed 200 years ago. It cannot be denied that states had too much power when it came to many things and we are not the same country now as we were then. Some change is good.

I didn't know about him til people on here mentioned him running, then, as usual, I looked him up, including his policies and decided how close we are to each other's political philosophies. He is very far from me.

Now, Huntsman would likely get my vote or at least not lose my vote to Obama. I can't give my vote to any candidate though who is willing to dismiss facts (such as in the Willingham case) without even considering that there might not have even been a crime to actually execute someone for. And it certainly appears as though he doesn't care that an innocent man was likely executed.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
STOP SPINNING! The chart on the page I linked provides the PERCENTAGE NUMBERS for each state, and Texas and MS have the highest PERCENTAGE of minimum wage workers by population in the country. Just admit that you were wrong for once in your life. It won't kill you.

I don't think you even understand what has been reported, from the article let's see if you can figure it out

Texas tied with Mississippi for states having the highest percentage of hourly paid workers earning the minimum wage or less in 2010.

Read more: Texas: The minimum-wage state - San Antonio Express-News

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Link to the BLS data, then, if you think it makes your case. Because no one believes you -- seriously.

"Texas tied with Mississippi for states having the highest percentage of hourly paid workers earning the minimum wage or less in 2010.

Some 550,000 Texans, or 9.5 percent of hourly paid workers, made the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour or less last year. That's up 76,000 workers, or 16 percent, from 2009, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Monday.

Conservative said:

One of your own posted the following

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Shows the labor force in TX so using the number 550,000 what is the percentage of that labor force in minimum wage jobs?

Click to expand...

What a pity English is your second language, otherwise, you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself confusing 550,000 mininum wage earners out of hourly paid workers where you're confusing hourly paid workers with all 12 million workers.

Tsk, tsk, Con.