Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Here is some good information for you regarding Wal-Mart

Walmartstores.com: Texas State Information

As of June 2011, the average wage for regular, full-time hourly associates in Texas is $12.03 per hour (Walmart Discount Stores, Supercenters, and Neighborhood Markets). Additionally, eligible associates receive an annual incentive based on the company performance

And I am aware of this. I honestly don't have an issue with WalMart. I probably should have used some other companies, but they were at the top of the list and I know that they do not pay all that well to most of their employees, having had several family members as employees of WalMart.

However, there are a lot of other Fortune 500 companies out there that also pay at or just a little above minimum wage. To suggest that most of the minimum wage jobs are due to small businesses is foolish. Most of the big name supermarkets and fastfood restaurants are on that list and many of those employ personnel at minimum wage or just barely above.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

ric27 said:
You keep missing, the part about the mood of the electorate changing and being against excessive debt and spending. Keynsianism is completely broken and no amount of jiving will put it back together again.

But the economic strategy in TX is not working any better if more of their citizens are being paid minimum wage or lower than anywhere else in the US, some of their local governments cannot even afford to pay their police force, and the state does not have enough money to meet their financial obligations without assistance from the US government or by borrowing money from other places. Plus, they have some of the lowest education and health rankings in the country, which are things that matter to a lot of people. To top it off, their governor wants to impose his morality on the country if elected President.

The economy is important, but unless Perry can offer a plan that looks feasible to the Independents to improve the economy, then they are going to care less about what his plans for the economy are and look at the social issues. So far, his campaign is "look at TX, see I made it work here". Anyone who looks deeper though can see that it isn't nearly as simple as that, nor is it actually "working" that well.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
And I am aware of this. I honestly don't have an issue with WalMart. I probably should have used some other companies, but they were at the top of the list and I know that they do not pay all that well to most of their employees, having had several family members as employees of WalMart.

However, there are a lot of other Fortune 500 companies out there that also pay at or just a little above minimum wage. To suggest that most of the minimum wage jobs are due to small businesses is foolish. Most of the big name supermarkets and fastfood restaurants are on that list and many of those employ personnel at minimum wage or just barely above.

I would love to know why minimum wage is even an issue with anyone. The marketplace should dictate wages, not a govt. entity. What do you think an unskilled, uneducated worker should make? Or how about a teen working his first job? Half of the minimum wage jobs are between the ages of 16-24 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics but again why is that an issue. Do you claim to know the finances and cost of living for all those making minimum wage? Wonder who held a gun to their head forcing them to take a minimum wage job? Seems to me that personal responsibility is a lost trait today in this country

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
But the economic strategy in TX is not working any better if more of their citizens are being paid minimum wage or lower than anywhere else in the US, some of their local governments cannot even afford to pay their police force, and the state does not have enough money to meet their financial obligations without assistance from the US government or by borrowing money from other places. Plus, they have some of the lowest education and health rankings in the country, which are things that matter to a lot of people. To top it off, their governor wants to impose his morality on the country if elected President.

The economy is important, but unless Perry can offer a plan that looks feasible to the Independents to improve the economy, then they are going to care less about what his plans for the economy are and look at the social issues. So far, his campaign is "look at TX, see I made it work here". Anyone who looks deeper though can see that it isn't nearly as simple as that, nor is it actually "working" that well.

Have you paid any attention to the numbers posted? 550,000 Texans are being paid minimum wage or below out of a labor force of 12 MILLION. What percentage is that and who makes up those 550,000?

Like far too many you assume that minimum wage goes to family bread winners which the vast majority aren't. the plan to improve the economy doesn't consist of what Obama is doing in creating the nanny state. That is why I love TX. Here you have to take personal responsibility for your actions and benefit from making the right choices. You aren't burdened by high taxes and have a very low cost of living. I will put the Perry record up against Obama's and Obama should be happy with the TX record for without it the U.S. Economy would be in much worse shape.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Let's see, TX has a net job gain since Obama took office and Obama has a net job loss.

Oh, my.

unemployment rate, 1/2009:

Texas: 6.4%
U.S.: 7.8%

unemployment rate, 7/2011:

Texas: 8.4%
U.S.: 9.1%

Net increase in unemployment:

Texas: 31%
U.S.: 17%

Conservative said:
TX has a balanced budget and Obama has added 4 trillion to the debt.

Hey now, if Obama had somewhere he could have gone to collect the money to cover the U.S. federal deficit the way Perry was able to cover Texas's deficit by collect federal money, then Obama could have balanced the federal budget.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Oh, my.

unemployment rate, 1/2009:

Texas: 6.4%
U.S.: 7.8%

unemployment rate, 7/2011:

Texas: 8.4%
U.S.: 9.1%

Net increase in unemployment:

Texas: 31%
U.S.: 17%

Hey now, if Obama had somewhere he could have gone to collect the money to cover the U.S. federal deficit the way Perry was able to cover Texas's deficit by collect federal money, then Obama could have balanced the federal budget.

Since the TX unemployment rate is lower and the Labor Force is higher, Obama should be happy with the TX record for without it the U.S. Economy and his unemployment numbers would be in much worse shape.

As for the state deficit, only in the liberal world apparently are Federal Mandates supposed to be funded by state taxpayers from state funds

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Oh, my.

unemployment rate, 1/2009:

Texas: 6.4%
U.S.: 7.8%

unemployment rate, 7/2011:

Texas: 8.4%
U.S.: 9.1%

Net increase in unemployment:

Texas: 31%
U.S.: 17%

Hey now, if Obama had somewhere he could have gone to collect the money to cover the U.S. federal deficit the way Perry was able to cover Texas's deficit by collect federal money, then Obama could have balanced the federal budget.

Simply posting statistics without the full story behind it isn't right. I'll add just one more piece to the puzzle, when a county, state or country has a large influx of people moving in, it will no doubt affect the unemployment rate will it not? I am sure there are many more medicating circumstances as well.
Map: Where Americans Are Moving - Forbes.com

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Bull****, as has been proven to the Sheik, my bet is that I have voted for more Democrats in my life than you have Republicans.

The bull**** is all yours. What you proved was that until REagan, you were a Democrat who voted for which ever candidate put a "D" after their name and when you switched when Reagan was running, you have since voted for whomever puts an "R" after their name.

That just goes to prove that results don't matter to you ... all that matters is that they put an "R" after their name. (prior to 30+ years ago, it was a "D"). Either way, you don't even bother to llok at results.

You're like a cheapskate out to eat who reads the menu from right to left.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Then prove it, you can't and you know it. Keep trolling

It's only what you've done for the last 30 plus years. I'd say it's pretty well proven that you don't care about results, all you care about is what letter the candidate places after their name.

winston53660 · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
It's only what you've done for the last 30 plus years. I'd say it's pretty well proven that you don't care about results, all you care about is what letter the candidate places after their name.

He is rooting for a "football" team.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
Simply posting statistics without the full story behind it isn't right. I'll add just one more piece to the puzzle, when a country state or country has a large influx of people moving in, it will no doubt affect the unemployment rate will it not? I am sure there are many more medicating circumstances as well.
Map: Where Americans Are Moving - Forbes.com

Welcome to the world of Sheik where percentage change out of context matters a lot more than the data behind those percentages. Cult followers that support Obama have no concept of actual facts or are concerned about his actual results for his rhetoric always trumps real world results.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Since the TX unemployment rate is lower and the Labor Force is higher, Obama should be happy with the TX record for without it the U.S. Economy and his unemployment numbers would be in much worse shape.

As for the state deficit, only in the liberal world apparently are Federal Mandates supposed to be funded by state taxpayers from state funds

Sadly for you, you will probably die before learning the implication of percentages.

Like in this case, how does the national unemployment rate, which is up 17%, benefit from Texas, which is up 31%?

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
The bull**** is all yours. What you proved was that until REagan, you were a Democrat who voted for which ever candidate put a "D" after their name and when you switched when Reagan was running, you have since voted for whomever puts an "R" after their name.

That just goes to prove that results don't matter to you ... all that matters is that they put an "R" after their name. (prior to 30+ years ago, it was a "D"). Either way, you don't even bother to llok at results.

You're like a cheapskate out to eat who reads the menu from right to left.

As I pointed out but as usual this is a different thread so you saying the same thing over and over again somehow becomes reality. I am a Conservative and no conservative would ever vote for Carter over Reagan, Mondale, Bill Clinton,, Al Gore, John Kerry, or Barack Obama. I am looking at the Obama results just like I looked at his resume when I didn't vote for him the first time

Why would anyone vote for this

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Sadly for you, you will probably die before learning the implication of percentages.

Like in this case, how does the national unemployment rate, which is up 17%, benefit from Texas, which is up 31%?

The national percentage rate is taking the total unemployed and divide it by the labor force. I would have thought somone of your superior intelligence would have understood that but I was wrong. Texas labor force is added to the total as are the unemployed. TX numbers make Obama's look better

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
Simply posting statistics without the full story behind it isn't right. I'll add just one more piece to the puzzle, when a country state or country has a large influx of people moving in, it will no doubt affect the unemployment rate will it not? I am sure there are many more medicating circumstances as well.
Map: Where Americans Are Moving - Forbes.com

What does the population size have to do with the unemployment rate, which is calculated by the number of unemployed by the size of the workforce.

And for the U.S. since Obama became president, the unemployment rate is up 1.3 percentage points, or 17%; over that same period, it's up in Texas 2 full percentage points, or 31%.

Furthermore, all being relative, at 9.1% unemployment, the unemployment rate is 1 percentage point lower than it's high over the last quarter century; whereas Texas is at it's high over the last quarter century.

Isn't Perry to blame for having the highest unemployment rate in the state since Bill Clements?

pbrauer · Aug 21, 2011

Con,

Your Gov. said that if Ben Bernanke printed more money between now and election it would be treason. Do you agree with him??

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Welcome to the world of Sheik where percentage change out of context matters a lot more than the data behind those percentages. Cult followers that support Obama have no concept of actual facts or are concerned about his actual results for his rhetoric always trumps real world results.

As usual, you have it bass-ackwards ... posting percentages includes far more context than just raw unemployment numbers alone as doing so factors in the size of the labor force. It's the whole reason we refer to the unemployment rate to begin with.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

pbrauer said:
Con,

Your Gov. said that if Ben Bernanke printed more money between now and election it would be treason. Do you agree with him??

Yep, printing more money leads to inflation which destroys the middle class. Perry was right, cut the spending and stop destroying the economy by printing money to pay for that spending

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
As I pointed out but as usual this is a different thread so you saying the same thing over and over again somehow becomes reality. I am a Conservative and no conservative would ever vote for Carter over Reagan, Mondale, Bill Clinton,, Al Gore, John Kerry, or Barack Obama.

And you're denying you vote for the candidate with an "R" after their name ... because ... ?

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
As usual, you have it bass-ackwards ... posting percentages includes far more context than just raw unemployment numbers alone as doing so factors in the size of the labor force. It's the who reason we refer to the unemployment rate to begin with.

Don't worry, Sheik, one of these days you will understand that percentage change is based upon the base and the higher the base the lower the percentage change thus total numbers matter. Stick to your technical base because logic and common sense escape you.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And you're denying you vote for the candidate with an "R" after their name ... because ... ?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

pbrauer said:
Con,

Your Gov. said that if Ben Bernanke printed more money between now and election it would be treason. Do you agree with him??

If he actually meant it no I wouldn't agree but I know better, I think Perry was just trying to make a point. Although as usual the media along with others will always try to trip a candidate they don't like on parsing there words, same old sh!t and the strategy from his opponents is really getting worn out.

pbrauer · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Yep, printing more money leads to inflation which destroys the middle class. Perry was right, cut the spending and stop destroying the economy by printing money to pay for that spending

You consider this 'treasonous'? That was the actual word he used. Why would Bernanke do this if it were deleterious to the economy???

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
What does the population size have to do with the unemployment rate, which is calculated by the number of unemployed by the size of the workforce.

And for the U.S. since Obama became president, the unemployment rate is up 1.3 percentage points, or 17%; over that same period, it's up in Texas 2 full percentage points, or 31%.

Furthermore, all being relative, at 9.1% unemployment, the unemployment rate is 1 percentage point lower than it's high over the last quarter century; whereas Texas is at it's high over the last quarter century.

Isn't Perry to blame for having the highest unemployment rate in the state since Bill Clements?

You can't see it? Large influx of people moving Texas looking for work, filing for unemployment or already on it but now reside in Texas, this makes the numbers change. Now a question for you , if Texas is one of the worst states to live in regarding unemployment and other factors, then why the large influx of people moving to Texas, especially from NYC and L.A. You can post numbers, statistics and theories but the fly in the butter milk is that thousand upon thousands are flocking to Texas..WHY?

pbrauer · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
If he actually meant it no I wouldn't agree but I know better, I think Perry was just trying to make a point. Although as usual the media along with others will always try to trip a candidate they don't like on parsing there words, same old sh!t and the strategy from his opponents is really getting worn out.

Really? Even Karl Rove criticized Perry for the comment.