Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

winston53660 said:
Aheeemmm you do not speak for this native born Texan.

And I suggest you stop attempting to speak for other native born Texans as well.

Most I know do not appreciate that what ever their political lean is.

BTW you misspelled responsibility twice.

Thanks for the spell check and for being the spelling police.

I speak as an outsider who moved to TX 19 years ago after living in the state of Washington, Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana. You take for granted what is here and I don't. I value what is here and still claim this is the best move I have ever made. you don't know what you have here when you have experienced nothing else by living there.

randel · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
This is what will be on the ballot in Nov. 2012 so the "R" won't make a difference

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

squirrel!!!

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Squirrel!!!!

The thread is still about Perry, right?

Squirrel!!!!

My response was to randel, suggest you pay attention.

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
And yet, MA ranks clear ahead in education and health care.

Except we still have a major problem with education, and that said the American people best get off their asses and quit bitching about left and right etc., this isn't going to solve our problem. Here is one of many articles links etc., a very sad story about us as educated citizens? ....our schools are failing period.

Unemployment: A Jobs Deficit or a Skills Deficit? | Dollars & Sense

randel · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
My response was to randel, suggest you pay attention.

and what i said stands, and i stand behind it, if obama had an (R) next to his name, you would have no problem with him at all, and we would hear not a peep from you about records/results.....

ric27 · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
He may well, depending on who is running against him, but that changes nothing of what I said:

Simple strategy....get with it! All Perry has to do is fire up the Rep base, attack Obama on his dismal economic performance and his obscene health care takeover and drag enough Independents over our side

Its a done deal, dude

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

randel said:
and what i said stands, and i stand behind it, if obama had an (R) next to his name, you would have no problem with him at all, and we would hear not a peep from you about records/results.....

Bull****, as has been proven to the Sheik, my bet is that I have voted for more Democrats in my life than you have Republicans. The record and ideology mean more to me than the "R" or the "D". Given the choice of Perry vs. Obama, the record will decide my vote and the record is Clear, Perry's trumps Obama's, Bush's trumped Kerry and Gore's.

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Doing better matters. I see no evidence MA is failing in any way, especially with such high rankings. We do face national problems, but seeing how each state is doing does give us some indication on who is doing a better job of tackling it. To judge Perry, we have to look at his entire record, not be too selective and ignore his failings, the states failings.

And Perry is government. He used Federal funds, and spent tax payor money, corporate welfare, to inflate his numbers. This is big government by definition.

MA. does the very same thing except those in which is gives money to, for example Evergreen Solar moves to China and then goes bankrupt.

RealClearEnergy | Once-Promising Evergreen Solar Goes Bankrupt

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

ric27 said:
Simple strategy....get with it! All Perry has to do is fire up the Rep base, attack Obama on his dismal economic performance and his obscene health care takeover and drag enough Independents over our side

Its a done deal, dude

And Obama could easily counter that strategy in the general election by firing up the Independents and moderates, along with the Democrats, by showing how very conservative Rick Perry is along with his full record as governor of TX to get people to vote against Perry.

Independents don't want someone who is going to be worse than the guy in office. It is much easier to slosh through 4 more years with a bad President, that is currently hampered by Congress, than it is to change to a worse President who is going to have a much easier time getting his way to do things that many Independents would rather not see happen to this country.

randel · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Bull****, as has been proven to the Sheik, my bet is that I have voted for more Democrats in my life than you have Republicans. The record and ideology mean more to me than the "R" or the "D". Given the choice of Perry vs. Obama, the record will decide my vote and the record is Clear, Perry's trumps Obama's, Bush's trumped Kerry and Gore's.

bull####, all that matters to you is party identification. don't try and bs me. given the choice between perry and obama, perry has the (R) next to his name, so that is who you will vote for.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
MA. does the very same thing except those in which is gives money to, for example Evergreen Solar moves to China and then goes bankrupt.

RealClearEnergy | Once-Promising Evergreen Solar Goes Bankrupt

But it isn't "MA" that is going up for the Presidency, it is the governor of TX. So you must compare what he has or hasn't done for TX with what Obama has or hasn't done for the US, then we try to determine which policies each will likely try to go for and achieve after the election to determine who would be the better candidate. So far, Obama looks like a much better prospect for the good of this country than Rick Perry.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

randel said:
bull####, all that matters to you is party identification. don't try and bs me. given the choice between perry and obama, perry has the (R) next to his name, so that is who you will vote for.

Then prove it, you can't and you know it. Keep trolling

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
But it isn't "MA" that is going up for the Presidency, it is the governor of TX. So you must compare what he has or hasn't done for TX with what Obama has or hasn't done for the US, then we try to determine which policies each will likely try to go for and achieve after the election to determine who would be the better candidate. So far, Obama looks like a much better prospect for the good of this country than Rick Perry.

Really? based upon what? The Obama record speaks for itself as does the Perry record.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

randel · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Then prove it, you can't and you know it. Keep trolling

the majority of anyone that bothers to read your posts i'm confident would conclude the same thing.

ric27 · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
And Obama could easily counter that strategy in the general election by firing up the Independents and moderates, along with the Democrats, by showing how very conservative Rick Perry is along with his full record as governor of TX to get people to vote against Perry.

Independents don't want someone who is going to be worse than the guy in office. It is much easier to slosh through 4 more years with a bad President, that is currently hampered by Congress, than it is to change to a worse President who is going to have a much easier time getting his way to do things that many Independents would rather not see happen to this country.

Are you advising Obama????? lol

Every single poll out there shows Obama has lost independents, by 2 to 1. Obama won them by 2 to 1 in '08 and needs to do it again in order to win again. Ain't going to happen

You actually fail to understand the diversity of thought that "mods" or inds have - they are all over the place. And Obama has lost 2/3 of them already. And he has lost them over his ****ed up economic performance. Poll after poll after poll has shown this.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

ric27 said:
Are you advising Obama????? lol

Every single poll out there shows Obama has lost independents, by 2 to 1. Obama won them by 2 to 1 in '08 and needs to do it again in order to win again. Ain't going to happen

You actually fail to understand the diversity of thought that "mods" or inds have - they are all over the place. And Obama has lost 2/3 of them already. And he has lost them over his ****ed up economic performance. Poll after poll after poll has shown this.

No, you fail to see that those polls that show Obama's ratings as down are not comparing him to anyone, especially not Perry. If you compare Obama to Perry, Obama is probably going to fair better among Independents because he is not likely to attack social issues and freedoms such as same sex marriage and abortion, unlike Perry.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Perry vs. Obama
RealClearPolitics - Perry Surges to Second Place in Two National Polls
Before declaring, Perry in 2nd place among GOP contenders | McClatchy

A key reason for Perry being the weakest opponent is that he's weakest among independents.

Boo Radley · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
MA. does the very same thing except those in which is gives money to, for example Evergreen Solar moves to China and then goes bankrupt.

RealClearEnergy | Once-Promising Evergreen Solar Goes Bankrupt

Sure, all states do because of their misguided assumptions that they can buy business to stay. Overall, you can't give business enough to make up for low wages and no benefits to concern themselves with. Still, MA does so without losing on education and health care.

Boo Radley · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
My response was to randel, suggest you pay attention.

Didn't he reply with:

Squirrel!!!! ?

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Sure, all states do because of their misguided assumptions that they can buy business to stay. Overall, you can't give business enough to make up for low wages and no benefits to concern themselves with. Still, MA does so without losing on education and health care.

After spending 35 years in the business world I can honestly state that you don' tknow what you are talking about. How many Fortune 500 companies do you know that pay minimume wage and offer no benefits to their employees? The problem is not the large companies, the problem will always be the small companies that create most of the jobs and forcing up their costs puts them out of business and that is where the job losses come from.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
After spending 35 years in the business world I can honestly state that you don' tknow what you are talking about. How many Fortune 500 companies do you know that pay minimume wage and offer no benefits to their employees? The problem is not the large companies, the problem will always be the small companies that create most of the jobs and forcing up their costs puts them out of business and that is where the job losses come from.

I think you're wrong. I'm pretty sure WalMart is a Fortune 500 company and they do pay minimum wage and offer very little benefits to their employees.

Fortune 500 2011: Annual ranking of America's largest corporations from Fortune Magazine

Don't get me wrong, setting a minimum wage does benefit WalMart and places like them because they know they can easily afford to pay more than minimum wage in many areas, but instead of just raising their own workers' pay to what they can easily afford, they will do things like trying to get minimum wage raised across the board to help eliminate their smaller competitions. Those smaller businesses may be paying minimum wage or just above, but can't really afford to pay much more right away. So if some big company is able to lobby successfully to get minimum wage raised to a slightly higher amount that the company can easily afford but that also hurts their competition or helps to keep other competition from forming, then they do it. A little later down the road, those bigger companies can easily raise their prices just a little to make up for the increase in wages, especially since they have now harmed and possibly eliminated their competition.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Minimum wage jobs in TX according to BLS total 550,000 out of a 12 million labor force. What does BLS say the percentage of minimum wage jobs are in the country? How much do you think a teen should get for their first time job? Who are you or the govt. to tell private business what to pay its workers?

You seem to forget that we are a government of the people, so it's the people who tell the states that there needs to be a minimum wage requirement.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
I think you're wrong. I'm pretty sure WalMart is a Fortune 500 company and they do pay minimum wage and offer very little benefits to their employees.

Fortune 500 2011: Annual ranking of America's largest corporations from Fortune Magazine

Don't get me wrong, setting a minimum wage does benefit WalMart and places like them because they know they can easily afford to pay more than minimum wage in many areas, but instead of just raising their own workers' pay to what they can easily afford, they will do things like trying to get minimum wage raised across the board to help eliminate their smaller competitions. Those smaller businesses may be paying minimum wage or just above, but can't really afford to pay much more right away. So if some big company is able to lobby successfully to get minimum wage raised to a slightly higher amount that the company can easily afford but that also hurts their competition or helps to keep other competition from forming, then they do it. A little later down the road, those bigger companies can easily raise their prices just a little to make up for the increase in wages, especially since they have now harmed and possibly eliminated their competition.

There is no question that SOME Wal-Mart's pay minimum wage but not all. They compete in every community and not all allow minimum wage. Competition dictates. I competed against Wal-Mart and always did a survey on their compensation program. It is vastly under estimated and reported.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
My point remains, TX is growing jobs, growing labor force, and growing population.

You do know that unemployment in Texas is the highest it's been since Reagan was president, right? Is Perry to blame for that?

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
I think you're wrong. I'm pretty sure WalMart is a Fortune 500 company and they do pay minimum wage and offer very little benefits to their employees.

Fortune 500 2011: Annual ranking of America's largest corporations from Fortune Magazine

Don't get me wrong, setting a minimum wage does benefit WalMart and places like them because they know they can easily afford to pay more than minimum wage in many areas, but instead of just raising their own workers' pay to what they can easily afford, they will do things like trying to get minimum wage raised across the board to help eliminate their smaller competitions. Those smaller businesses may be paying minimum wage or just above, but can't really afford to pay much more right away. So if some big company is able to lobby successfully to get minimum wage raised to a slightly higher amount that the company can easily afford but that also hurts their competition or helps to keep other competition from forming, then they do it. A little later down the road, those bigger companies can easily raise their prices just a little to make up for the increase in wages, especially since they have now harmed and possibly eliminated their competition.

Here is some good information for you regarding Wal-Mart

Walmartstores.com: Texas State Information

As of June 2011, the average wage for regular, full-time hourly associates in Texas is $12.03 per hour (Walmart Discount Stores, Supercenters, and Neighborhood Markets). Additionally, eligible associates receive an annual incentive based on the company performance

ric27 · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
No, you fail to see that those polls that show Obama's ratings as down are not comparing him to anyone, especially not Perry. If you compare Obama to Perry, Obama is probably going to fair better among Independents because he is not likely to attack social issues and freedoms such as same sex marriage and abortion, unlike Perry.

You keep missing, the part about the mood of the electorate changing and being against excessive debt and spending. Keynsianism is completely broken and no amount of jiving will put it back together again.