Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Your point re: cost of living is valid but that was an incredibly misleading example. Why are you comparing the average home cost MA's most expensive city to the average home cost in the whole state of Texas. Perhaps a better comparison would be Houston, with a median home cost of $224,000?

Actually, I don't know where your numbers come from, but they seem to be wildly inaccurate. The median home price in Texas is $174,000 versus about $300k in Massachusettes.

Regional Spotlight: Median Home Prices Rise in Massachusetts for Third Straight Month | RISMedia
Texas Home Prices and Home Values - Zillow Local Info

Looks like you are never going to answer the direct question posed to you about living in a state with individual freedoms or one that promotes the nanny state that forces you into various govt. programs. That speaks volumes as to who you are

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Obama is doing well enough on his own to discredit he economic policies

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

It's all relative to where he started.

And what Obama inherited: economy shedding 700,000+ jobs per month, GDP shrinking at 6+% per year, financial institutions teetering on the edge of collapse, trillion+ deficit.... Nice improvement.

Boo Radley · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Obama is doing well enough on his own to discredit he economic policies

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

Repeating the same thing mindlessly is not a rebuttal. You can't skip the point by yelling squirrel!!!

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Again, immigrant workers, low wages, with poor education and health care and high property taxes. :lamo :lamo :lamo

You're easy to satisfy, as you just need it to be a republican spending your tax dollars.

TX has a balanced budget and did it without raising taxes. It has a part time legislature who lives under the programs they implemented. It has a growing population and a growing labor force. That drives liberals crazy. Amazing how little you know about TX yet how you claim to be an expert.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Repeating the same thing mindlessly is not a rebuttal. You can't skip the point by yelling squirrel!!!

Right, keep demonizing everything else so you can divert from that record.

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Mississippi made the same argument to me once, however, as a non house buyer at the time, and minimum wage folks are ususally not house buyers, I did not find Mississippi cheap enough to make up for the low wage. We cannot dismiss the problems texas has. education, health care and other indicators are simply worse than elsewhere. Not to mention, they created mostly low wage jobs for immigrant workers.

I can make the same argument about MA. and it failure in education, healthcare, low wage jobs, illegal immigrant taking jobs etc. The difference between Texas and Massachusetts is that Texas isn't raping it citizens with taxes and fees for mediocre services and infrastructure, and the public education here in MA is a complete failure, also the state healthcare is bankrupt. In the real world on the front line here in MA. the average worker state wide is only making about 16.00 per hour, from blue collar to white collar.

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
TX has a balanced budget and did it without raising taxes. It has a part time legislature who lives under the programs they implemented. It has a growing population and a growing labor force. That drives liberals crazy. Amazing how little you know about TX yet how you claim to be an expert.

Right, Texas balanced it's budget with the help of billions in federal stimulus money and buy cutting services for the poor. And of coursre lots of states have balanced their budgets without raising taxes.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
It's all relative to where he started.

And what Obama inherited: economy shedding 700,000+ jobs per month, GDP shrinking at 6+% per year, financial institutions teetering on the edge of collapse, trillion+ deficit.... Nice improvement.

Yep, tell that the 25 million unemployed or under employed Americans. Is that more or less than when he took office? If he improved employment wouldn't that show up in the labor force?

Tell that to the fewer people employed today than when he took office. Would his outstanding effort show up in BLS data?

When you participate in raising the debt 4 trillion dollars in less than 2 years, seems to me that you would have higher expectations than apparently you have.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Right, Texas balanced it's budget with the help of billions in federal stimulus money and buy cutting services for the poor. And of coursre lots of states have balanced their budgets without raising taxes.

Uh, yep, here we go again, apparently Texas taxpayers aren't Federal Taxpayers and apparently Texans unlike you seem to believe Federal Mandates should be paid for by the Federal Taxpayers. Medicaid mandates and expansion of unemployment benefits by the Federal Govt. should be paid by whom? Guess once a cult follower always a cult follower

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
I can make the same argument about MA. and it failure in education, healthcare, low wage jobs, illegal immigrant taking jobs etc. The difference between Texas and Massachusetts is that Texas isn't raping it citizens with taxes and fees for mediocre services and infrastructure, and the public education here in MA is a complete failure, also the state healthcare is bankrupt. In the real world on the front line here in MA. the average worker state wide is only making about 16.00 per hour, from blue collar to white collar.

Since the recession began, MA has shown better job growth than Texas. Between '09 and '10, MA was first in the nation in job growth. Texas ranked 8th. Commonwealth Conversations: Jobs: Massachusetts Ranks First In Job Growth

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Uh, yep, here we go again, apparently Texas taxpayers aren't Federal Taxpayers and apparently Texans unlike you seem to believe Federal Mandates should be paid for by the Federal Taxpayers. Medicaid mandates and expansion of unemployment benefits by the Federal Govt. should be paid by whom? Guess once a cult follower always a cult follower

That's rather beside the point. Texas balanced it's budget in large part by using federal stimulus money.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Not exactly sure who you are talking about because there a lot of people who could meet your definition although I will tell you this, regardless of who the Republicans nominate, any would be better than the incompetent we have in the WH right now.

I am talking about Gov. Perry.

Rick Perry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/us/politics/21donate.html?_r=1

Over three terms in office, Mr. Perry’s administration has doled out grants, tax breaks, contracts and appointments to hundreds of his most generous supporters and their businesses. And they have helped Mr. Perry raise more money than any politician in Texas history, donations that have periodically raised eyebrows but, thanks to loose campaign finance laws and a business-friendly political culture dominated in recent years by Republicans, have only fueled Mr. Perry’s ascent.

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Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
That's rather beside the point. Texas balanced it's budget in large part by using federal stimulus money.

That is a lie, TX has a two year budget and you haven't shown that you recognize that. TX had a projected shortfall of 25 billion including the federal mandates. Stimulus money paid for those mandates and didn't amount to a large part as you claim. You make wild claims all the time and then never back them up

AdamT · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
That is a lie, TX has a two year budget and you haven't shown that you recognize that. TX had a projected shortfall of 25 billion including the federal mandates. Stimulus money paid for those mandates and didn't amount to a large part as you claim. You make wild claims all the time and then never back them up

Right, Perry ONLY used $6.1 BILLION in stimulus funds to close his budget gap. :lol:

Texas balanced budget with stimulus money from Washington - Jan. 23, 2011

Boo Radley · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
I can make the same argument about MA. and it failure in education, healthcare, low wage jobs, illegal immigrant taking jobs etc. The difference between Texas and Massachusetts is that Texas isn't raping it citizens with taxes and fees for mediocre services and infrastructure, and the public education here in MA is a complete failure, also the state healthcare is bankrupt. In the real world on the front line here in MA. the average worker state wide is only making about 16.00 per hour, from blue collar to white collar.

Isn't it? I mean, that money Texas gives to business in corporate welfare, where do you think that comes from?

And MA is not worse than Texas:

Well Above Average 1 Massachusetts 4.82

(snip)

Below Average 31 Texas 2.45

State Education Rankings: The Best And Worst For Math And Science

In this ranking, MA is number one and texas 32nd.

In healthcare:

Massachusetts 0.906 02

(snip)

Texas -0.364 40

Measure

MA is second in overall ranking and texas 40th.

Good comparison.

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Since the recession began, MA has shown better job growth than Texas. Between '09 and '10, MA was first in the nation in job growth. Texas ranked 8th. Commonwealth Conversations: Jobs: Massachusetts Ranks First In Job Growth

yet the unemployment figures from MA for 2010 is 7.6 and for Texas is 8.2, not much of a difference so being first or eighth doesn't matter with unemployment such as these.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Since the recession began, MA has shown better job growth than Texas. Between '09 and '10, MA was first in the nation in job growth. Texas ranked 8th. Commonwealth Conversations: Jobs: Massachusetts Ranks First In Job Growth

Looks to me like quite a difference than what the MA rag points out. Notice employment in MA Jan 2009 vs. today and compare that to TX

Employment growth from 3.225 to 3.246 is hardly great job growth and doesn't trump TX. 21,000 jobs grown in two plus years? Sounds like Obama math

2009 3225.8 3216.8 3202.3 3192.0 3183.5 3173.6 3164.4 3161.1 3162.1 3162.4 3161.4 3165.6
2010 3181.2 3177.3 3178.9 3187.2 3197.3 3185.1 3190.0 3187.6 3183.0 3189.3 3189.8 3193.8
2011 3195.4 3209.8 3208.5 3228.8 3224.7 3234.1 3246.8

TX employment numbers

2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8

winston53660 · Aug 21, 2011

AdamT said:
Right, Perry ONLY used $6.1 BILLION in stimulus funds to close his budget gap. :lol:

Texas balanced budget with stimulus money from Washington - Jan. 23, 2011

Thank you New York, Ohio, California and all you other beautiful States XOXOOXO

:mrgreen:

Boo Radley · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
yet the unemployment figures from MA for 2010 is 7.6 and for Texas is 8.2, not much of a difference so being first or eighth doesn't matter with unemployment such as these.

And yet, MA ranks clear ahead in education and health care.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

winston53660 said:
Thank you New York, Ohio, California and all you other beautiful States XOXOOXO

:mrgreen:

Wow, imagine that, TX using Federal Taxpayer money to pay for Federal Mandates which is a requirement signed by Bill Clinton when he agreed with the Contract with America in the 90's. No state should ever have to pay for Federal Mandates. Thank Bill Clinton for signing that law

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
And yet, MA ranks clear ahead in education and health care.

Clearly? Ever been to MA? You don't have a clue

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
And yet, MA ranks clear ahead in education and health care.

Plus, it has to rank higher than TX when it comes to percent of population making minimum wage or lower, since TX is at the bottom of that particular index.

Boo Radley · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Clearly? Ever been to MA? You don't have a clue

I posted the rankings dude. Perhaps you should look at them. :coffeepap

ric27 · Aug 21, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Not sure this speaks well of him. Sad that anyone would think shrub clone would clone would be a good thing.

But, while we're on this subject, allow me to add something I found earlier on perry:

Rick Perry — king of corporate welfare

Ok, Boo. Seventeen (17) things that critics are saying about Rick Perry Seventeen (17) things that critics are saying about Rick Perry | Pesky Truth

Don't be in denial.... the economy and unemployment will take center stage during this cycle, Boo

Oh, and another thing...Obama is taking Perry more seriously than you are. Wonder why?

Boo Radley · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
Plus, it has to rank higher than TX when it comes to percent of population making minimum wage or lower, since TX is at the bottom of that particular index.

That's quite likely.