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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Conservative said:
Oh, I see, the opinion pieces that demonize anyone that posts data contrary to the DNC talking points is accurate in your world. Non Presidential elections again are difficult to measure because of their local nature. How about comparing other polls to Rasmussen and check their accuracy on non Presidential election results. No, that wouldn't suit your agenda but to make a statement that Rasmussen is at or near the bottom in accuracy is a distortion if not a down right lie as Presidential results vs. their polls show. Basing your statement on 2010 is typical of a liberal
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spin spin spin!!
 
AdamT said:
Isn't all that spinning making you dizzy? It is simply a dead-nuts fact that Rasmussen was among the least accurate polling firms in the last national election.
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What were the polling results vs. actual of other polling agencies? Keep spinning the DNC talking points.
 
AdamT said:
Isn't all that spinning making you dizzy? It is simply a dead-nuts fact that Rasmussen was among the least accurate polling firms in the last national election.
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Dude spins like a top doesn't he Adam?
 
donc said:
With any luck at all conservative, the influx of liberals into Texas will raise the standards of the Texas school system.

Who knows, with enough libs moving into the lone star they might even raise the standard up to Massachusetts levels…with enough taxes. :2wave:
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Not enough liberal indoctrination in TX for you? Just hate those TX economic results, don't you? Trying to justify liberalism is very tough so demonize the opposition.
 
Conservative said:
What were the polling results vs. actual of other polling agencies? Keep spinning the DNC talking points.
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By Nate Silver, who tracks all of the polling firms:

"The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight's database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.

Moreover, Rasmussen's polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen's polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases -- that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.

Rasmussen's polls have come under heavy criticism throughout this election cycle, including from FiveThirtyEight. We have critiqued the firm for its cavalier attitude toward polling convention. Rasmussen, for instance, generally conducts all of its interviews during a single, 4-hour window; speaks with the first person it reaches on the phone rather than using a random selection process; does not call cellphones; does not call back respondents whom it misses initially; and uses a computer script rather than live interviewers to conduct its surveys. These are cost-saving measures which contribute to very low response rates and may lead to biased samples.

Rasmussen also weights their surveys based on preordained assumptions about the party identification of voters in each state, a relatively unusual practice that many polling firms consider dubious since party identification (unlike characteristics like age and gender) is often quite fluid."

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com
 
Conservative said:
Let's see if I have this right, Rasmussen is the least reliable polling agency and then you say this? How was Rasmussen in 2004?
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I'm more concerned with what Rasmussen is doing NOW than I am about what they did in 2004.
 
donc said:
and the topic being...

So,tell me, how long has it been since you said anything about Rick Perry?:lamo
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How about now, a question for you, Adam, and any other liberal on this thread, would you rather live in a state governed by someone like Rick Perry who believes in personal responsibility and your ability to choose what is in your best interest or a state governed by Barack Obama who believes it is the government's role to decide what is in your best interest? In TX we have the freedom to choose whereas in the Obama world the govt. knows what is best and can better provide personal responsibility services to you.
 
AdamT said:
I'm more concerned with what Rasmussen is doing NOW than I am about what they did in 2004.
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Rasmussen was right in 2004 and right in 2008, both Presidential elections and not local elections like Congressional races are.

Now how about answering the question I posed to Donc. Would you prefer to live in a state governed by someone like Perry who believes in personal responsibility and the ability of an individual to make the best choices for themselves or one governed by Barack Obama who believes it is the Governments rold to define what is in your best interest and to provide a solution to your individual responsibility items?
 
Conservative said:
Sounds like an off topic personal attack to me
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See the triangle at the bottom left of the post? Click it and type your complaint when prompted, it really pretty easy.:mrgreen:
 
Conservative said:
In TX we have the freedom to choose whereas in the Obama world the govt. knows what is best and can better provide personal responsibility services to you.
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What choices are going to be taken away?

What in the world are you talking about here?
 
Conservative said:
Rasmussen was right in 2004 and right in 2008, both Presidential elections and not local elections like Congressional races are.

Now how about answering the question I posed to Donc. Would you prefer to live in a state governed by someone like Perry who believes in personal responsibility and the ability of an individual to make the best choices for themselves or one governed by Barack Obama who believes it is the Governments rold to define what is in your best interest and to provide a solution to your individual responsibility items?
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Right, as I said at the beginning of this discussion, Rasmussen's decline is a relatively recent phenomenon. I don't contest that they were a good polling firm up until 2-3 years ago.
 
winston53660 said:
What choices are going to be taken away?

What in the world are you talking about here?
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Forced healthcare for one if you don't want it, why should you have to buy it?

the right to run a business and not be taxed out of existence, no state income taxes. Obama believes businesses should pay higher taxes.

no barriers for starting a business in TX vs what Obama wants and has implemented through the EPA, NLRB, OSHA.
 
AdamT said:
Right, as I said at the beginning of this discussion, Rasmussen's decline is a relatively recent phenomenon. I don't contest that they were a good polling firm up until 2-3 years ago.
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let me know how it works out in the 2012 Presidential election, now how about an answer to the question.

You want Perry results, how about these for employment numbers?

Employment numbers by month during the Obama economy. Note January 2009 10.5 million people working in TX and in July 2012 that number is 10.6 million. Feel free to compare that to the Obama results nationally where there are fewer people working today than when he took office thus fewer taxpayers. That is the obama economy.

2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8
 
Conservative said:
Forced healthcare for one if you don't want it, why should you have to buy it?
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So you support people getting a free ride?

the right to run a business and not be taxed out of existence, no state income taxes. Obama believes businesses should pay higher taxes.
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Okay taxes are a fact of life. Should we just dump all taxes?

no barriers for starting a business in TX vs what Obama wants and has implemented through the EPA, NLRB, OSHA.
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Isn't taking personal responsibility insuring you, your family have safe drinking water? I'd rather not have industry leaking hazardous chemicals into the environment.
 
Conservative said:
let me know how it works out in the 2012 Presidential election, now how about an answer to the question.

You want Perry results, how about these for employment numbers?

Employment numbers by month during the Obama economy. Note January 2009 10.5 million people working in TX and in July 2012 that number is 10.6 million. Feel free to compare that to the Obama results nationally where there are fewer people working today than when he took office thus fewer taxpayers. That is the obama economy.

2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8
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Conservative said:
Forced healthcare for one if you don't want it, why should you have to buy it?
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If you are in a car wreck and suffer severe brain trauma, but it is recoverable with substantial care, and you do not have health insurance nor enough money in the bank to even cover the first days life saving measures, should we:

a) let you die right then
b) save you and let all the other citizens pay for your care, which you irresponsibly refused to carry?

Only if you are willing to die in a case like this, am I willing to say you should not HAVE to carry insurance. Otherwise why would you irresponsibly want to shirk your responsibility?
 
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finebead said:
If you are in a car wreck and suffer severe brain trauma, but it is recoverable with substantial care, and you do not have health insurance nor enough money in the bank to even cover the first days life saving measures, should we:

a) let you die right then
b) save you and let all the other citizens pay for your care, which you irresponsibly refused to carry?
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The answer, before Obamacare, was (b), and I think that most Americans would say that's a better choice than (a). But it's hardly ideal.

This is what Conservative doesn't want to face. It isn't a choice between someone taking personal responsibility or suffering the consequences; it's a choice between someone taking personal responsibility OR THE REST OF US PAY THE CONSEQUENCES.

And, btw, it is this way because of Reagan's 1986 legislation that prohibited emergency rooms from turning away patients.
 
Conservative said:
How about now, a question for you, Adam, and any other liberal on this thread, would you rather live in a state governed by someone like Rick Perry who believes in personal responsibility and your ability to choose what is in your best interest or a state governed by Barack Obama who believes it is the government's role to decide what is in your best interest? In TX we have the freedom to choose whereas in the Obama world the govt. knows what is best and can better provide personal responsibility services to you.
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WOW!!! look at the wording of this question.(would you rather live in a state governed by someone like Rick Perry who believes in personal responsibility and your ability to choose what is in your best interest or a state governed by Barack Obama who believes it is the government's role to decide what is in your best interest?)

Been taking lessons from Fox and Rasmussen on loading questions have ya?

It depends if i had children and wanted them to have a decent public school education or not($billions in cuts to education funding).

If i were willing to work for minimum wage(highest percentage of minimum-wage workers in the nation )Texas would be the state to be in.:2wave:
 
donc said:
If i were willing to work for minimum wage(highest percentage of minimum-wage workers in the nation )Texas would be the state to be in.:2wave:
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Of course these min wage workers have the resources to just pack up and move to a higher wage state at a moments notice.

/sarcasm
 
winston53660 said:
So you support people getting a free ride?



Okay taxes are a fact of life. Should we just dump all taxes?



Isn't taking personal responsibility insuring you, your family have safe drinking water? I'd rather not have industry leaking hazardous chemicals into the environment.
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Nope, there are quite a few people who can afford their own healthcare without being forced into it. people are responsible for their own bills. for the poor there are over 40 programs in this state for them but they are called uninsured.

Taxes are low in TX. How do you explain the massive growth in TX population and TX being a state responsible for most job creation in the country. It certainly isn't because of the record 100 degree days. You don't need high taxes except in the entitlement states which TX is not one

Quite a strawman regarding safe drinking water. Do you think the Federal Govt. is responsible for your drinking water and that we need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget to assure safe drinking water? You think TX doesn't have safe drinking water because of low taxes?
 
winston53660 said:
Of course these min wage workers have the resources to just pack up and move to a higher wage state at a moments notice.

/sarcasm
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Who makes up the minimum wage workforce in TX or do you care? I prefer someone with a job on their resume vs. sitting on their asses collecting over 2 years of unemployment. Shows initiative and drive. Job history was an important factor for me in hiring people.
 
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