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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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SheWolf said:
You made arguments in support of people with access to purchase insurance to not do so...
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My support is for personal choice not mandated choice. If someone wants to be irresponsible it is their responsibility still to pay for that choice, not the taxpayers.
 
Conservative said:
My support is for personal choice not mandated choice. If someone wants to be irresponsible it is their responsibility still to pay for that choice, not the taxpayers.
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So when these people w/o insurance go to the hospital what happens?
 
winston53660 said:
So when these people w/o insurance go to the hospital what happens?
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Your taxdollars pay for that, it is a state expense, not a Federal Expense if the hospital cannot collect from the individual
 
Conservative said:
My support is for personal choice not mandated choice. If someone wants to be irresponsible it is their responsibility still to pay for that choice, not the taxpayers.
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The taxpayers do pay the price... you don't get that fact. It goes over your head. People not paying their medical bills causes medical prices to increase, which means we'll pay to pay higher insurance premiums, higher healthcare costs, and higher medicare/caid taxes or the deficit will just start getting bigger.

Also this comment is clearing violating your previous comment, that your side stands for personal responsibility...
 
SheWolf said:
The taxpayers do pay the price... you don't get that fact. It goes over your head. People not paying their medical bills causes medical prices to increase, which means we'll pay to pay higher insurance premiums, higher healthcare costs, and higher medicare/caid taxes or the deficit will just start getting bigger.

Also this comment is clearing violating your previous comment, that your side stands for personal responsibility...
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Of course I do, that is why it is a state issue, not a Federal Issue. Do you think it is ok for my state to fund the cost of illegal immigration healthcare costs from ER services? Isn't immigration a Federal Responsibility? Seems that the Federal Govt. wants to get involved in state issues and you seem ok with that. I am for going after people who don't pay their bills and prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law. That shows my resolve with personal responsibility
 
Conservative said:
Your taxdollars pay for that, it is a state expense, not a Federal Expense if the hospital cannot collect from the individual
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States don't dictate the tax rate... It's a federal tax. If the individual doesn't pay, it's going to impact the federal government either way.
 
SheWolf said:
States don't dictate the tax rate... It's a federal tax. If the individual doesn't pay, it's going to impact the federal government either way.
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And your point? Of course it is going to the Federal Govt. another part of the Federal Ponzi scheme and then complaints about not having enough money. Medicare is collected just like SS and the supposed to be paid out when you retire and in Medicare's case turn 65. Why are both on budget?
 
Conservative said:
And your point? Of course it is going to the Federal Govt. another part of the Federal Ponzi scheme and then complaints about not having enough money. Medicare is collected just like SS and the supposed to be paid out when you retire and in Medicare's case turn 65. Why are both on budget?
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Now you're calling it a ponzi scheme... lol. The federal is taking from the state's funds now?
 
Conservative said:
And your point? Of course it is going to the Federal Govt. another part of the Federal Ponzi scheme and then complaints about not having enough money. Medicare is collected just like SS and the supposed to be paid out when you retire and in Medicare's case turn 65. Why are both on budget?
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The point is that you are taking a stand AGAINST personal responsibility. Why? Because even though it was an idea put forth by Republicans, Democrats adopted it. That means you have to oppose it even if it's a good idea you would otherwise support.
 
SheWolf said:
Now you're calling it a ponzi scheme... lol. The federal is taking from the state's funds now?
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What do you call it when the govt. takes money today, puts it on budget meaning that it can be spent for anything they want and then when you retire or turn 65 don't have that money but take it from current "contributions?"
 
AdamT said:
The point is that you are taking a stand AGAINST personal responsibility. Why? Because even though it was an idea put forth by Republicans, Democrats adopted it. That means you have to oppose it even if it's a good idea you would otherwise support.
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I have never taken a stance against personal responsibility nor will I. There is no good idea regarding mandatory healthcare forced by the Federal govt. Do you have the same expenses in your state as I have in TX? Do you have the same quality of life in your state as I have in mine? Do you understand what personal responsibilty means?
 
Conservative said:
I have never taken a stance against personal responsibility nor will I. There is no good idea regarding mandatory healthcare forced by the Federal govt. Do you have the same expenses in your state as I have in TX? Do you have the same quality of life in your state as I have in mine? Do you understand what personal responsibilty means?
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It has nothing to do with mandatory health care. It is just a means of ensuring that people who can afford insurance will buy insurance so they can't sponge off state AND federal taxpayers. You are standing up for the right of slackers to sponge off the system.
 
AdamT said:
It has nothing to do with mandatory health care. It is just a means of ensuring that people who can afford insurance will buy insurance so they can't sponge off state AND federal taxpayers. You are standing up for the right of slackers to sponge off the system.
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You miss the point, that isn't the Federal Governments role to tell people what they can or cannot buy or need. Try buying something on credit and not paying for it, see what happens. Why is healthcare any different
 
Conservative said:
Where did I say that Reagan was a Democrat in 1988?
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Um. In post #268.

"Rick Perry was also a Democrat in 1988, Reagan was a Democrat as was I."

Did you mean some other year? Or were you speaking metaphorically, that Reagan's Republicanism is analogous to Democratism of today?

Yes, we do need a tropical storm but not a hurricane. I survived Ike.
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Yeah. A big, huge TS would be perfect. Or if it is a hurricane, no worse than a Cat-1, please, and may it hit land in the middle of nowhere.

Glad you made it through Ike. A couple hundred people were not so fortunate.

This may help you on the uninsured particular the part about programs available that don't require people to buy healthcare insurance

Many Texans Uninsured By Choice
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That might be true, but I specifically asked for a nonbiased source. NCPA isn't.
 
Phys251 said:
Um. In post #268.

"Rick Perry was also a Democrat in 1988, Reagan was a Democrat as was I."

Did you mean some other year? Or were you speaking metaphorically, that Reagan's Republicanism is analogous to Democratism of today?



Yeah. A big, huge TS would be perfect. Or if it is a hurricane, no worse than a Cat-1, please, and may it hit land in the middle of nowhere.

Glad you made it through Ike. A couple hundred people were not so fortunate.



That might be true, but I specifically asked for a nonbiased source. NCPA isn't.
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Un, that is why I put a comma after 1988. Do you believe I thought Reagan was a Democrat in 1988? Wow

I really doubt than any stats presented to you by me are going to be accepted. Why aren't you asking Kaiser to break down those numbers into people who CHOOSE not to purchase healthcare? Texans know that healthcare is their personal responsibility and also know there are programs available for the poor outside of private insurance.
 
Conservative said:
Un, that is why I put a comma after 1988. Do you believe I thought Reagan was a Democrat in 1988? Wow
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Strictly based on sentence parsing, it sure looked that way.

I really doubt than any stats presented to you by me are going to be accepted. Why aren't you asking Kaiser to break down those numbers into people who CHOOSE not to purchase healthcare? Texans know that healthcare is their personal responsibility and also know there are programs available for the poor outside of private insurance.
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You chose the source; you defend it. I specifically asked for NON-PARTISAN sources. Now can you provide one that irrefutably states that many Texans are uninsured due to choice and not cost?
 
Conservative said:
You miss the point, that isn't the Federal Governments role to tell people what they can or cannot buy or need. Try buying something on credit and not paying for it, see what happens. Why is healthcare any different
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Yes, it is the governments business since the alternative is people taking something from the government and not paying for it. Your stance is like a shoplifter saying, "who are you to tell me I have to pay for these DVDs?"
 
Phys251 said:
Strictly based on sentence parsing, it sure looked that way.



You chose the source; you defend it. I specifically asked for NON-PARTISAN sources. Now can you provide one that irrefutably states that many Texans are uninsured due to choice and not cost?
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Where is your non partisan source that shows how many Texans in that Kaiser study CHOOSE not to buy healthcare? Does it really matter? why do you think healthcare is a Federal Responsibility since it is the states that pay for ER costs and most of the healthcare expenses. Maybe the govt. ought to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in the current Medicare program as well as others and focus on their main responsibility, protecting this country.
 
AdamT said:
Yes, it is the governments business since the alternative is people taking something from the government and not paying for it. Your stance is like a shoplifter saying, "who are you to tell me I have to pay for these DVDs?"
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Again, you don't get it, who are those abusing the ER's taking money from, The Federal Taxpayer or State taxpayer? Who is saying someone in need of healthcare shouldn't have to pay for it? What part of all the programs available don't you understand. Why is it you believe in bigger Federal govt. with a 14.6 trillion dollar debt?
 
Conservative said:
Yep, isn't that what Perry wanted to do? Maybe the Federal govt. should stop dictating to states how they should handle insurance
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Yep, the feds should kick the money grubben insurance companies out and go national like the rest of civilized society.:2wave:
 
donc said:
Yep, the feds should kick the money grubben insurance companies out and go national like the rest of civilized society.:2wave:
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Exactly, we need one big central govt. for the world. I always wanted to be like Greece and all those other socialist utopian countries with their universal healthcare and long waits for services. Works for me
 
Conservative said:
Exactly, we need one big central govt. for the world. I always wanted to be like Greece and all those other socialist utopian countries with their universal healthcare and long waits for services. Works for me
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Welcome to the bright side bro.:rock
 
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