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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Conservative said:
Do you know the difference between an idea and a bill? Romney got it right, this is a state program, not a Federal program. If your state wants to implement it, so be it. That is your problem but don't force a one size fits all program on the nation especially when it comes to personal responsibility issues.
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Romney supported a federal version when he ran for president in 2008. I know because I actually took the time to read his healthcare proposal. He wanted to fine people if they didn't purchase health insurance.
 
SheWolf said:
I like the way that article put this

Mitt Romney, weighing another run for the GOP presidential nomination, signed such a requirement into law at the state level as Massachusetts governor in 2006. At the time, Romney defended it as “a personal responsibility principle’’ and Massachusetts’ newest GOP senator, Scott Brown, backed it. Romney now says Obama’s plan is a federal takeover that bears little resemblance to what he did as governor and should be repealed.

It's what Romney did... it's pretty obvious. The only thing he could argue is that the state government can do it, but not the federal, and this begs the question why the GOP ever supported this anyway. Were they simply backing for mandated health care because they felt it was unpopular and easy to attack, therefore nobody was really going to stand behind it and pass it? :lamo
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What too many people ignore is the fact that the actual costs of ER services are paid by the state and not the Federal Govt. so to make the ER costs the main issue is nothing more than spin and a diversion. My county and thus my taxdollars went to pay 600,000 in healthcare costs for illegal immigrants. Is the Federal Govt. going to take over that responsibility to pay those costs with Obamacare?
 
Conservative said:
Read Post 219 and stop with the spin. With federal involvement comes strings. Who do you think should pay for Federal mandates that increase costs?
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Again, you don't seem to know what the mandate IS. The mandate is a requirement that everyone who can afford health insurance must buy health insurance or else pay a tax penalty. It doesn't cost the government anything. In fact, the funds from the penalty would be used to pay for the free health care that the government is already paying for.
 
Conservative, I have a question for you: Why is Texas #50 in the nation for health-care uninsured rate, while Massachusetts is #1? Why does Massachusetts lead the nation in lowest uninsured rates for the elderly in three of five lower-to-middle-class, while Texas is dead last for three of those same five categories? Nearly three-quarters of non-elderly Texans who receive Medicaid are children; why? Are the little children responsible for pulling themselves up by the bootstraps before they even become adults?

(Source: Health Coverage & Uninsured - Kaiser State Health Facts)
 
SheWolf said:
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Romney supported a federal version when he ran for president in 2008. I know because I actually took the time to read his healthcare bill. He wanted to fine people if they didn't purchase health insurance.
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I don't recall that being the case but doesn't really matter to me since Romney care is a state program and I have no problem if your state wants to charge you for a universal program since states pay for ER costs anyway.
 
Phys251 said:
Conservative, I have a question for you: Why is Texas #50 in the nation for health-care uninsured rate, while Massachusetts is #1? Why does Massachusetts lead the nation in lowest uninsured rates for the elderly in three of five lower-to-middle-class, while Texas is dead last for three of those same five categories? Nearly three-quarters of non-elderly Texans who receive Medicaid are children; why? Are the little children responsible for pulling themselves up by the bootstraps before they even become adults?

(Source: Health Coverage & Uninsured - Kaiser State Health Facts)
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Why is healthcare a govt. responsibility is the better question. Healthcare is a personal choice issue and Texans are exercising their choice. I employed over 1200 employees and offered healthcare to all including the part time employees. I paid 80% of the cost of that insurance. 50% chose not to participate and those 50% were classified as uninsured. That seems to be the missing data in all surveys. How many of the uninsured have access to insurance but choose not to take it?
 
SlackMaster said:
Isn't this the same guy who went bat **** insane over some mild comments from another member of congress? Also, isn't he the one who stood up and clapped when the GOP played that clip from the movie where they beat the piss out of somebody?
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If he is the modern day Harriet Tubman, then I am the modern day Cleopatra.
 
Conservative said:
Why attack the individual and ignore the content? Are blacks better off today than they were when Obama took office?
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Instead of telling the they were better off, how about you let them decide for themselves...
 
SheWolf said:
The GOP really has an issue with the Muslim minorities IMO.
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I disagree, the GOP or at least the Conservatives in the GOP have no problem with minorities and would be happy for everyone to get a bigger piece of the pie because the pie isn't a finite product, it keeps growing. Liberals IMO are fighting so hard to keep people dependent on their programs. I will ask the same question asked earlier, are minorities better off today than they were when Obama took office?
 
Conservative said:
Why is healthcare a govt. responsibility is the better question. Healthcare is a personal choice issue and Texans are exercising their choice. I employed over 1200 employees and offered healthcare to all including the part time employees. I paid 80% of the cost of that insurance. 50% chose not to participate and those 50% were classified as uninsured. That seems to be the missing data in all surveys. How many of the uninsured have access to insurance but choose not to take it?
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You dodged every single one of my questions, EXACTLY as I thought you would. Should I take that to mean you concede them?
 
SheWolf said:
Instead of telling the they were better off, how about you let them decide for themselves...
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Allen West said it best and I agree with him. Now are minorities better off today than they were when Obama took office?
 
Phys251 said:
You dodged every single one of my questions, EXACTLY as I thought you would. Should I take that to mean you concede them?
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Better taking a reading course, you asked why TX has such a high rate of uninsured and I gave you a reason, when 50% of the employees are offered insurance and CHOOSE not to take it that is a reason that the uninsured number is higher. Nothing changes the mind of a liberal ideologue where personal responsibility doesn't exist

Oh, by the way many of those children are insured by the SCHPs program and medicaid. Interesting how you ignore that reality
 
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SlackMaster said:
Regarding your blacks better off since Obama took office comment, correlation does not equal causation.
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Not to mention that's a BS argument as to why they should vote GOP... You were worse off under Obama, vote for us.

Not going to happen. They actually have to do something for the black vote, and appeal to them... say they can do more for them than the Democratic Party. But if they can't get that, they are going to keep struggling with minorities and that's ok by me.
 
SheWolf said:
Not to mention that's a BS argument as to why they should vote GOP... You were worse off under Obama, vote for us.

Not going to happen. They actually have to do something for the black vote, and appeal to them... say they can do more for them than the Democratic Party. But if they can't get that, they are going to keep struggling with minorities and that's ok by me.
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What really is BS is ignoring the Obama rhetoric and voting for him because he was black. That is what the blacks did the last election in LARGE numbers with many looking for that Obama stash. Seems that Maxine Waters is questioning what you are ignoring.
 
SheWolf said:
:lamo :lamo :lamo



Aw, he took the factual approach with you. :(
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Sorry, I have seen no relative facts presented, please point those so called facts out to me. Blacks didn't have 16% unemployment when Obama took office.
 
Conservative said:
I don't recall that being the case but doesn't really matter to me since Romney care is a state program and I have no problem if your state wants to charge you for a universal program since states pay for ER costs anyway.
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You are kidding yourself if you thingk "states" pay for ER costs. Everyone pays for them. First, hospitals write off free care as a loss, which lowers tax revenue. Then they increase costs for paid care, which is passed on to insurance companies, which increase our premiums. In the end consumers pay for free health care. And you stand up for the right to pay for health care for people who could afford to buy insurance but who refuse to buy insurance. Very conservative.
 
Conservative said:
Do you realize that 1 in 4 that you claim includes people who CHOOOSE not to get healthcare because it isn't free? Typical bs from a liberal who doesn't live in TX but is an expert on TX. Those stupid Texans that expanded the number of Republicans in the Legislature in Nov. 2010! Too bad they didn't check with you Pb before voting. You would have set them straight from your perch in Oregon.
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Those people still get sick and they should get health insurance.... Not only is going to the ER and refusing to pay your medical bills irresponsible, it is escalating the cost of healthcare in this country for everybody. It's simply irresponsible of people to refuse to purchase healthcare insurance when it's available to them.
 
AdamT said:
Again, you don't seem to know what the mandate IS. The mandate is a requirement that everyone who can afford health insurance must buy health insurance or else pay a tax penalty. It doesn't cost the government anything. In fact, the funds from the penalty would be used to pay for the free health care that the government is already paying for.
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Please tell me what healthcare expenses the Federal taxpayer is paying for? You seem to be under the impression that ER services in TX are paid for by you and other Federal Taxpayers. Where is healthcare listed as a Federal responsibility and better yet why don't you ask the Federal govt. where their money is going for their healthcare expenses?
 
SheWolf said:
Those people still get sick and they should get health insurance.... Not only is going to the ER and refusing to pay your medical bills irresponsible, it is escalating the cost of healthcare in this country for everybody. It's simply irresponsible of people to refuse to purchase healthcare insurance when it's available to them.
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I have no problem with going after people to pay their ER services but that doesn't change the fact that ER expenses are paid by the states not the Federal govt. thus healthcare mandates need to come from the states.
 
Conservative said:
What exactly do you think that clip shows? Healthcare is a personal responsibility, health care is a state issue? one size doesn't fit all? So much faith in the govt. but only when a Democrat is in the WH and controls Congress?
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Then you are against Romney's 2008 health care proposal....
 
AdamT said:
You are kidding yourself if you thingk "states" pay for ER costs. Everyone pays for them. First, hospitals write off free care as a loss, which lowers tax revenue. Then they increase costs for paid care, which is passed on to insurance companies, which increase our premiums. In the end consumers pay for free health care. And you stand up for the right to pay for health care for people who could afford to buy insurance but who refuse to buy insurance. Very conservative.
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Really? prove it, prove that you pay for my county's ER services?
 
Conservative said:
Please tell me what healthcare expenses the Federal taxpayer is paying for? You seem to be under the impression that ER services in TX are paid for by you and other Federal Taxpayers. Where is healthcare listed as a Federal responsibility and better yet why don't you ask the Federal govt. where their money is going for their healthcare expenses?
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Like I said, hospitals write off free health care which reduces their tax obligations. That costs the federal government money.
 
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