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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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liblady said:
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i think that's a good point. independents are far more likely to vote for romney.
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I would have no problem voting for Romney especially in the light of his states' rights position and business experience. He is a former Governor that has dealt with an actual budget.
 
AdamT said:
If the Republicans have someone who can't win now, given the state of the economy, I can't imagine they would have much chance in the future.
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You think that dividing the support between 8 Republicans today is going to be the same when there is one candidate? You don't believe the Republicans are going to unite to remove Obama? You really are naive if that is the case
 
Conservative said:
I would have no problem voting for Romney especially in the light of his states' rights position and business experience. He is a former Governor that has dealt with an actual budget.
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And he implemented a health care plan that is exactly like Obamacare. His business experience mainly consisted of buying companies, firing and offshoring a bunch of employees, and then selling the companies again.

That said, he is by far the best Republican candidate. He has no actual beliefs of his own, but he is at least smart and not crazy. No other Republican candidate combines those two qualities.
 
AdamT said:
And he implemented a health care plan that is exactly like Obamacare. His business experience mainly consisted of buying companies, firing and offshoring a bunch of employees, and then selling the companies again.

That said, he is by far the best Republican candidate. He has no actual beliefs of his own, but he is at least smart and not crazy. No other Republican candidate combines those two qualities.
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If your state wants universal healthcare, so be it, that is what states are designed to do, not a one size fits all Govt. program. As for buying companies and firing and shutting them down, that is a great guideline for the Federal Govt, eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse.
 
Conservative said:
What Southern strategy? Confusing people with facts, logic, and common sense? How can anyone look at these numbers 2 1/2 years after taking office and call liberalism a success?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 39% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings and now 26% supporting his handling of the economy
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You dodged the question AGAIN and made the classic correlation-does-not-equal-causation fallacy. Typical conservative troll.
 
Conservative said:
If your state wants universal healthcare, so be it, that is what states are designed to do, not a one size fits all Govt. program. As for buying companies and firing and shutting them down, that is a great guideline for the Federal Govt, eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse.
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Romney is a feather in the wind. Now he says that health care should be left to the states. In 2006 he said, "I think there are a number of features in the Massachusetts plan that could inform Washington on ways to improve health care for all Americans."
 
I think it's going to come down to Perry and Palin in a GOP run-off. Perry will get the nod because next to Palin he'll look moderate.
 
AdamT said:
Romney is a feather in the wind. Now he says that health care should be left to the states. In 2006 he said, "I think there are a number of features in the Massachusetts plan that could inform Washington on ways to improve health care for all Americans."
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But he never forced it on the nation nor will he and that is the point.
 
Conservative said:
But he never forced it on the nation nor will he and that is the point.
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I would bet that he would have if he had been elected in '08, and I would further bet that Republicans would have supported him and the exact plan that they're demonizing now.
 
AdamT said:
I would bet that he would have if he had been elected in '08, and I would further bet that Republicans would have supported him and the exact plan that they're demonizing now.
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You will never find a Conservative supporting Obamacare or anything like it nationally. If your state wants to implement universal healthcare then go for it. That isn't what Obamacare does
 
ZIRP4EVA said:
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Not a shock since he can appeal to virtually every faction of the Republican base.
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Governor Perry is a formidable candidate. He's not a lightweight along the lines of a Cain, Pawlenty, or Santorum. He has an established record from having governed, demontrated fundraising capacity, and an ability to articulate positions on the issues (whether one agrees or disagrees with his ideas is a separate matter). Having said that, much can change between now and the primary season.
 
Conservative said:
You will never find a Conservative supporting Obamacare or anything like it nationally. If your state wants to implement universal healthcare then go for it. That isn't what Obamacare does
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Two words: Richard Nixon

Two more words: Heritage Foundation
 
In fact, as Sangha adverts to, "Obamacare" is essentially derived from the national health care plan that Republicans proposed as an alternative to Hillarycare. It was written in conjunction with the conservative Heritage Foundation. It's also nearly identical to Romneycare, as Obama and the Dems relied heavily on the same health care policy expert that Romney used.
 
AdamT said:
In fact, as Sangha adverts to, "Obamacare" is essentially derived from the national health care plan that Republicans proposed as an alternative to Hillarycare. It was written in conjunction with the conservative Heritage Foundation. It's also nearly identical to Romneycare, as Obama and the Dems relied heavily on the same health care policy expert that Romney used.
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Great spin, but in case you missed it Clinton lost the Congress in part because of Hillarycare and of course due to the tax increases. Noticed that you didn't respond to my post about conservatives wanting you to make as much money as you can but liberals rely on dependence. I know this is very hard for you to understand but Romneycare is a state program, Obamacare forces all Americans to have healthcare. States have that right, the Federal Govt. doesn't. That will be proven unconstitutional
 
Conservative said:
Great spin, but in case you missed it Clinton lost the Congress in part because of Hillarycare and of course due to the tax increases. Noticed that you didn't respond to my post about conservatives wanting you to make as much money as you can but liberals rely on dependence. I know this is very hard for you to understand but Romneycare is a state program, Obamacare forces all Americans to have healthcare. States have that right, the Federal Govt. doesn't. That will be proven unconstitutional
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Not spin -- facts. And I did answer your post about Republicans loving rich people. You lie a lot about people not answering your posts.
 
AdamT said:
Not spin -- facts. And I did answer your post about Republicans loving rich people. You lie a lot about people not answering your posts.
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Republicans want you to become rich but I can see why that will never happen.
 
Conservative said:
Republicans want you to become rich but I can see why that will never happen.
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Republicans are doing a pretty damned good job making me less rich as we speak. :roll:
 
AdamT said:
Republicans are doing a pretty damned good job making me less rich as we speak. :roll:
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Republicans don't control the Senate or the WH yet. Interesting how you blame Repubicans for you being less rich? Liberals always do that, blame someone else for their own shortcomings and failures.
 
SlackMaster said:
I think the election is going to come down to Obama vs. Perry.

I could be misjudging this because I'm from Texas, but I see a lot of former Bush supporters going towards him. I think he's going to try and run on the jobs record in Texas. I think he'll get the GOP nomination from being supposedly strong on jobs and for being super evangelical.

When it comes to the popular election, people on the left are going to make a big deal of his religious connections. The right, in return will slam the libs for being anti-god and might take on a pro-god vs. not pro-god dividing line, at least in part.

He may even beat out Obama. I hope I'm wrong.
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That's an interesting point. He could run on jobs... What's Romney going to run on? He is going to get hammered for Romney Care... That leaves Romney running on, not being Obama, and his economic knowledge. But what has he got to show?
 
Conservative said:
Republicans don't control the Senate or the WH yet. Interesting how you blame Repubicans for you being less rich? Liberals always do that, blame someone else for their own shortcomings and failures.
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What was it S&P said some of the reason for the down grade????????????
 
liblady said:
you should read up on him then. you DO know that merck donated to him and he made the gardisil vaccine mandatory, don't you? at 360 bucks a pop?

he believes the texas sodomy law is appropriate, as well. he's settled a case out of court regarding shaky campaign donations. he's about the money, period.
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Why would a conservative want to make that vaccine mandatory? wtf... woman's body and all. They don't try to make prostate screenings mandatory.
 
liblady said:
i think romney is the only candidate with a chance to beat obama. perry will garner very few independent votes.
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I agree, his rise in the polls show how stupid some of the republicans are... and Romney's candidacy shows you how lacking the field is.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Governor Perry is a formidable candidate. He's not a lightweight along the lines of a Cain, Pawlenty, or Santorum. He has an established record from having governed, demontrated fundraising capacity, and an ability to articulate positions on the issues (whether one agrees or disagrees with his ideas is a separate matter). Having said that, much can change between now and the primary season.
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Agreed on all points.

The more I see of him the more Im convinced he is going to steamroll the GOP field and then landslide Obama.
 
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