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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Businesses are most concerned with the undertainty involved in debt ceiling machinations. They are somewhat concerned that Republicans may blow up the economy if they aren't allowed to stay up half an hour later to watch more TV. Now, if uncertainty is such a problem, btw, why didn't Bush make his tax cuts permanent? Why did he devise them so they would periodically expire? Want to know the answer? He did it that way because otherwise, the long term projections showed that they would lead to massive deficit spending.

businesses care about their shareholders and the opportunity for growth. Still waiting for you to explain how Obama inherited the 2011 numbers. When Bush got the tax cuts passed the Senate was controlled by the Democrats and in order to get those cuts approved had a sunset because that is what was required by Democrats. "Your" President extended them during the lame duck session of Congress that Democrats controlled. Keep trying to rewrite history
 
businesses care about their shareholders and the opportunity for growth. Still waiting for you to explain how Obama inherited the 2011 numbers. When Bush got the tax cuts passed the Senate was controlled by the Democrats and in order to get those cuts approved had a sunset because that is what was required by Democrats. "Your" President extended them during the lame duck session of Congress that Democrats controlled. Keep trying to rewrite history

See posts 32 and 40.
 
businesses care about their shareholders and the opportunity for growth. Still waiting for you to explain how Obama inherited the 2011 numbers. When Bush got the tax cuts passed the Senate was controlled by the Democrats and in order to get those cuts approved had a sunset because that is what was required by Democrats. "Your" President extended them during the lame duck session of Congress that Democrats controlled. Keep trying to rewrite history

And he extended them because the Republicans were holding 9/11 responders hostage. That's how Rethuglicans have been operating. They take something hostage and issue demands. Real stand up people.
 
You're obviously not interested in discussing what you say you are. You keep asking people to address the numbers you posted, I do and you glaze over them and then ask people to address them again. If you're going to hand wave away any explanation without consideration why are we continuing to discuss anything with you?

True Obama leadership and why Perry or Romney will beat Obama in 2012. Keep ignoring the Obama record

General Electric is planning to move its 115-year-old X-ray division from Waukesha, Wis., to Beijing. In addition to moving the headquarters, the company will invest $2 billion in China and train more than 65 engineers and create six research centers. This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year. but paid no taxes-the same company that employs more people overseas than it does in the united States.
So let me get this straight. President Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar). Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess the President forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs.
If this doesn't show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don't know what does.

GE Moves 115-Year-Old X-Ray Unit's Base to China to Tap Growth - BusinessWeek
 
And he extended them because the Republicans were holding 9/11 responders hostage. That's how Rethuglicans have been operating. They take something hostage and issue demands. Real stand up people.

LOL, nice spin. Still waiting for an answer, what would your tone be today if any Republican candidate generated the kind of results Obama has generated 2 1/2 years after taking office? Do Liberals ever take responsibility for their own actions?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 39% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
Seriously, do you suffer from alzheimers? I don't want to berate you if it's a physical condition.

As we've gone over before, stimulus measures were quite successful in boosting GDP while they were in full effect. Now that the stimulus is winding down -- unsurprisingly -- GDP is coming down. The Republican solution, of course, is to engage in rapid destimulus to further drag down the economy.

Aw yes, the stimulus created economic growth and now that the stimulus is over economic results are declining which of course is Bush's fault? The stimulus was supposed to stimulate the economy and when over the economy was to take off, it didn't and you still support this President and the results he generated. That says a lot about you
 
True Obama leadership and why Perry or Romney will beat Obama in 2012. Keep ignoring the Obama record

General Electric is planning to move its 115-year-old X-ray division from Waukesha, Wis., to Beijing. In addition to moving the headquarters, the company will invest $2 billion in China and train more than 65 engineers and create six research centers. This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year. but paid no taxes-the same company that employs more people overseas than it does in the united States.
So let me get this straight. President Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar). Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess the President forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs.
If this doesn't show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don't know what does.

GE Moves 115-Year-Old X-Ray Unit's Base to China to Tap Growth - BusinessWeek

So what's your point? GE moved some production to China because China is it's biggest growth market. Japan and Germany have moved some auto production to the States to take advantage of our auto market. Should Obama only hire bad business people to help in the jobs area?
 
So what's your point? GE moved some production to China because China is it's biggest growth market. Japan and Germany have moved some auto production to the States to take advantage of our auto market. Should Obama only hire bad business people to help in the jobs area?

Jobs is my point but then again since Obama is in the WH this doesn't bother you but Bush sending jobs overseas is a travesty. When Obama said he was going to focus on jobs, did you believe he meant in China?
 
Aw yes, the stimulus created economic growth and now that the stimulus is over economic results are declining which of course is Bush's fault? The stimulus was supposed to stimulate the economy and when over the economy was to take off, it didn't and you still support this President and the results he generated. That says a lot about you

I didn't say it was Bush's fault, did I? I think Obama should have gone for a bigger stimulus, but that wasn't a realistic possibility given that he needed some republican support to get what he did. We should be doing more stimulus now, but it's highly unlikely given republican opposition. Nontheless, the economy is growing and adding jobs, while it was contracting and shedding jobs when Obama took over. Apparently you prefer a collapsing economy to one that is growing slowly. Different strokes, I guess.
 
Jobs is my point but then again since Obama is in the WH this doesn't bother you but Bush sending jobs overseas is a travesty. When Obama said he was going to focus on jobs, did you believe he meant in China?

Show me where I ever said a word about Bush sending jobs overseas. I'll go get a cup of coffee....
 
I didn't say it was Bush's fault, did I? I think Obama should have gone for a bigger stimulus, but that wasn't a realistic possibility given that he needed some republican support to get what he did. We should be doing more stimulus now, but it's highly unlikely given republican opposition. Nontheless, the economy is growing and adding jobs, while it was contracting and shedding jobs when Obama took over. Apparently you prefer a collapsing economy to one that is growing slowly. Different strokes, I guess.

Obama had a filibuster proof Congress for almost a year of his term something you never acknowledge. GW Bush generated those terrible economic numbers with Democrats controlling the entire Congress yet Democrats were helpless to prevent those numbers? Now Obama isn't responsible for the results generated 2 1/2 years after taking office?
 
Show me where I ever said a word about Bush sending jobs overseas. I'll go get a cup of coffee....

So you have no problem with sending jobs to China and having the CEO of the company head of Obama's jobs' committee? Thank you for another coherent position
 
Keep demonnizing Republicans while supporting the empty suit, incompetent in the WH. Think that Obama will beat Perry in TX if Perry is the nominee? I love all those experts who destroyed their credibility by supporting Obama and continue to support him.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 39% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

:lamo LOL! How long did the world listen to you people insist, DEMAND, that the nation understand that Bush could be faulted for the economy? We heard it and heard it during the Bush years.
 
LOL, nice spin. Still waiting for an answer, what would your tone be today if any Republican candidate generated the kind of results Obama has generated 2 1/2 years after taking office? Do Liberals ever take responsibility for their own actions?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 39% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.


Why would you even ask me that?

If I told you that if the situation were reversed I'd have the same opinion, would you believe me? Of course not.

We've explained the reason for the 2011 results. You just don't like the answer. Republican fiscal policy is what's been enacted or kept in place, that makes this economy the results of those fiscal policies.

Do Republicans ever take responsibilities for their policies?
 
So you have no problem with sending jobs to China and having the CEO of the company head of Obama's jobs' committee? Thank you for another coherent position

No, I have no problem with a U.S. company sending jobs to China if it's necessary to expand it's market share in China. Why would I object to that? If the company refuses to compete internationally it will fail and that will not do any favors to the tens of thousands of people the company employs in the states. The alternative for China to fill that demand itself, or perhaps for a German company like Siemens to fill the demand.

The person I want advising Obama on jobs is a person who understands these dynamics. What I don't want is someone who doesn't understand the jobs market and who will dogmatically repeat some meaningless talking point about offshoring jobs -- as if that will improve the situation.
 
Obama had a filibuster proof Congress for almost a year of his term something you never acknowledge. GW Bush generated those terrible economic numbers with Democrats controlling the entire Congress yet Democrats were helpless to prevent those numbers? Now Obama isn't responsible for the results generated 2 1/2 years after taking office?

Of course I have acknolwedged the Senate majority many times. As I said then, having a 60 seat super majority is only beneficial if you can muster 100% of the 60 seats for every measure you favor, which isn't realistic -- at least on the Democratic side, where there is a wide range of philosophies, from far left to moderate conservative. Come to think of it, in recent days the Republican House leader had a hell of a hard time even mustering the support of a majority of his own members -- let alone 100% of them.
 
True Obama leadership and why Perry or Romney will beat Obama in 2012. Keep ignoring the Obama record

General Electric is planning to move its 115-year-old X-ray division from Waukesha, Wis., to Beijing. In addition to moving the headquarters, the company will invest $2 billion in China and train more than 65 engineers and create six research centers. This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year. but paid no taxes-the same company that employs more people overseas than it does in the united States.
So let me get this straight. President Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar). Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess the President forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs.
If this doesn't show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don't know what does.

GE Moves 115-Year-Old X-Ray Unit's Base to China to Tap Growth - BusinessWeek

I love it how you partisans settle for the lowest political common denominator. You assume that anyone who doesn't like the dumbasses, **** ups, clowns, dirt bags, religious fanatics and fascists who represent the GOP stable of candidates is a Democrat or a liberal. In making that assumption you then compare everyone to Obama. You wrongfully assume that everyone who doesn't like piss poor candidates that the GOP is stumbling over is happy with Obama; will defend Obama; will vote for Obama. You are wrong. How about we don't like any of them? How about instead of defending unworthy people we insist something better?

Perry isn't going to win a presidential election and for a lot of reasons. He also sleeps with religious dominionists. You may think dominionists are just peachy, but the vast majority of Americans view them as religious fanatics. We don't want them in government. Period.

I for one would like Obama to be primaried, but that's not going to happen because the Democrats don't have enough balls to forward a real candidate.

And so here we are with pure crap from the GOP, a non-leader in the White House and Democrats without balls to proffer a worthy alternative to Obama. It's been dumbed down to unacceptable, but you accept it! A lot of us don't.

Tell you what Conservative if someone ****s in your left hand and someone ****s in your right hand are you going to want to argue over which **** you like better? That's what you are doing. That is what the political system is doing to America. And you are arguing over the merits of the **** in your right hand as if it is somehow better than the **** in your left hand! I find that absolutely amazing. But the system is winning as long as sheeple accept **** to the point that they begin liking one handful of **** better than the other handful. How about more and more of us don't want anyone ****ting in our hands? Can you comprehend that? Just because many of us think Perry is a charlatan, and Palin and Bachman are seriously intellectually limited doesn't mean we think Obama is great. Not everyone is going to defend the other handful of ****.
 
Rick Perry is merely being boosted by that new candidate smell. Does anyone remember how big Fred Thompson jumping into the race was in 2007? Then people started to actually hear him talk.
 
Here's an interesting statistic about Perry's "Texas Miracle":

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Rick Perry is merely being boosted by that new candidate smell. Does anyone remember how big Fred Thompson jumping into the race was in 2007? Then people started to actually hear him talk.

Comparing Rick Perry and Fred Thompson doesn't really work.
 
Comparing Rick Perry and Fred Thompson doesn't really work.

For ****'s sake! Why is everything assumed to be a exact comparison!? I was just pointing out that a candidate's support right when they enter the race is often meaningless.
 
For ****'s sake! Why is everything assumed to be a exact comparison!? I was just pointing out that a candidate's support right when they enter the race is often meaningless.

Oh, I remember Thompson's entry into fray. All the hoopla, the riding in on the white horse, the announcement on Jay Leno.

It may not be exact, but it is similar.

And his poll number in the similar time frame...June 2007 Thompson 28%


.....and if I remember correctly John McCain was at the back of the pack.
 
Rick Perry is merely being boosted by that new candidate smell. Does anyone remember how big Fred Thompson jumping into the race was in 2007? Then people started to actually hear him talk.

Once they open their piehole they dive like a triple bowl ringing turd.
 
Oh, I remember Thompson's entry into fray. All the hoopla, the riding in on the white horse, the announcement on Jay Leno.

It may not be exact, but it is similar.

Yeah I remember Thompson. He quickly fell asleep.:lol:
 
:lamo LOL! How long did the world listen to you people insist, DEMAND, that the nation understand that Bush could be faulted for the economy? We heard it and heard it during the Bush years.

Bush isn't in office but amazing what an impact Bush with a Democrat Congress had on people here. How did Bush hurt you or your family and be specific? Most here obviously have never taken a civics class to understand the role of Congress. If you did you would understand the affect Congress had on the economy from 2007-2008. all this is however is diversion from the terrible Obama results. It will be the Obama results on the ballot in 12 not Bush

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 39% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
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