Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

sangha · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Interesting how you want to judge Bush on his last year, WITH A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS, but won't judge Obama on his 2 1/2 years today. Pretty simple questions for you

So now it's Congress' fault, not the presidents? :lamo

Abandoning your claim that it's the presidents fault is a sure sign that even you know how ridiculous the claim is

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

sangha said:
How did "get him dead or alive" under bush* work out for you?

Does it matter? Bush isn't on the ballot, when he was his opponent was Gore and Kerry. Who should a conservative vote for?

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

sangha said:
So now it's Congress' fault, not the presidents? :lamo

Abandoning your claim that it's the presidents fault is a sure sign that even you know how ridiculous the claim is

Then why are you blaming Bush but not Obama since you obviously believe it is the President's fault?

sangha · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Does it matter? Bush isn't on the ballot, when he was his opponent was Gore and Kerry. Who should a conservative vote for?

Yes it does

So why do you keep bringing bush* up if he doesn't matter?

Abandoning your argument is a sure sign that it was worthless to begin with

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

sangha said:
Yes it does

So why do you keep bringing bush* up if he doesn't matter?

Abandoning your argument is a sure sign that it was worthless to begin with

This post is exactly why it is a waste of time to respond to you, I didn't bring up Bush, you did and every other liberal here does when they want to divert from the Obama record or even the thread topic. Bye

Has there been a net job gain since Obama took office?
Are there more jobs available today than when he took office?
Is the misery index today the same or lower than it was when he took office?
Has he halved the deficit like he promised by the end of his first term as promised?
Is the unemployment rate after the stimulus spending 8% or less?
Are the number of discouraged workers less than when he took office?

If the answer is yes to any of those questions and Obama will get my vote

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Is 20% higher than 10%? Enquiring minds want to know. California is the most populous state in the nation with TX being number two. Very close in all areas except job creation, labor force growing, and budget status. I am sure losing taxpayers is a great way to pay off that deficit in California. Still waiting for someone to post the number holding California minimum jobs in California.

What you said was, "California is on the Mexican border as is Arizone yet people and business keep moving to TX."

Again, more people are moving to Arizona than Texas. That's all. But you can't even admit a stone fact. Amazing.

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

AdamT said:
What you said was, "California is on the Mexican border as is Arizone yet people and business keep moving to TX."

Again, more people are moving to Arizona than Texas. That's all. But you can't even admit a stone fact. Amazing.

What do you want me to admit, that Arizona population is growing faster than TX? Yes, the numbers show it. What does that have to do with the net job gain in TX and people moving to TX from California along with businesses?

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
This post is exactly why it is a waste of time to respond to you, I didn't bring up Bush, you did and every other liberal here does when they want to divert from the Obama record or even the thread topic. Bye

Has there been a net job gain since Obama took office?
Are there more jobs available today than when he took office?
Is the misery index today the same or lower than it was when he took office?
Has he halved the deficit like he promised by the end of his first term as promised?
Is the unemployment rate after the stimulus spending 8% or less?
Are the number of discouraged workers less than when he took office?

If the answer is yes to any of those questions and Obama will get my vote

There is nothing Obama could do that would make you vote for him. At least admit that.

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
What do you want me to admit, that Arizona population is growing faster than TX? Yes, the numbers show it. What does that have to do with the net job gain in TX and people moving to TX from California along with businesses?

Forgotten already? You were trying to make excuses for Perry's unemployment problem by suggesting that Texas' population was growing faster than neighboring states. FAIL

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

AdamT said:
There is nothing Obama could do that would make you vote for him. At least admit that.

You are probably right since Obama is a leftwing nanny state ideologue. His record doesn't warrant anyone's vote who believes in free enterprise, capitalism, and personal responsibilty, the foundation upon which this country was built. Who do you think took personal responsibilty for our founders? Where was the nanny state then?

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

AdamT said:
Forgotten already? You were trying to make excuses for Perry's unemployment problem by suggesting that Texas' population was growing faster than neighboring states. FAIL

Wow, a real gotcha moment, proud of yourself? Perry doesn't have an unemployment problem, he has a growing state, growing tax revenue, growing jobs that are making Obama's numbers better. Last I checked 8.4% is less than 9.1% unemployment and a net job gain is better than a net job loss. Tell the 3 million less employed today how great Obama is.

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Wow, a real gotcha moment, proud of yourself? Perry doesn't have an unemployment problem, he has a growing state, growing tax revenue, growing jobs that are making Obama's numbers better. Last I checked 8.4% is less than 9.1% unemployment and a net job gain is better than a net job loss. Tell the 3 million less employed today how great Obama is.

Growing unemployment isn't a problem? How do Perry's rising unemployment numbers make Obama look better?

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

AdamT said:
Growing unemployment isn't a problem? How do Perry's rising unemployment numbers make Obama look better?

Because 8.4% is lower than 9.1% and Perry's net job gain improves the total employment number. I would have thought someone of your intelligence would have understood that

winston53660 · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
You are probably right since Obama is a leftwing nanny state ideologue. His record doesn't warrant anyone's vote who believes in free enterprise, capitalism, and personal responsibilty, the foundation upon which this country was built. Who do you think took personal responsibilty for our founders? Where was the nanny state then?

So using tax payers money to support business isn't a form of a nanny state for business?

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Because 8.4% is lower than 9.1% and Perry's net job gain improves the total employment number. I would have thought someone of your intelligence would have understood that

Moving jobs from one state to another state doesn't improve total employment, Einstein.

Perry's unemployment is below the national median.

See, I think you've got it backwards. Perry's unemployment numbers would be even WORSE if he hadn't taken over $12 billion from Obama's stimulus program.

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Wow, a real gotcha moment, proud of yourself? Perry doesn't have an unemployment problem, he has a growing state, growing tax revenue, growing jobs that are making Obama's numbers better. Last I checked 8.4% is less than 9.1% unemployment and a net job gain is better than a net job loss. Tell the 3 million less employed today how great Obama is.

By the way, with regard to that gotcha moment, suggest you review the actual numbers for Arizona and TX

AZ

5,130,632

6,392,017

1,261,385

24.585%

TX

20,851,820

25,145,561

4,293,741

20.592%

Notice any difference in the amount of increase and the total population. TX has almost 4 times the population and 4 times the actual population growth making TX a much bigger state to manage than Arizona

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

AdamT said:
Moving jobs from one state to another state doesn't improve total employment, Einstein.

Perry's unemployment is below the national median.

See, I think you've got it backwards. Perry's unemployment numbers would be even WORSE if he hadn't taken over $12 billion from Obama's stimulus program.

Now it is 12 billion? Before it was 6 billion. God forbid that the people of TX get some of their tax dollars back or are you one of those that believe the stimulus came out of the Obama "stash?"

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

AdamT said:
Moving jobs from one state to another state doesn't improve total employment, Einstein.

Perry's unemployment is below the national median.

See, I think you've got it backwards. Perry's unemployment numbers would be even WORSE if he hadn't taken over $12 billion from Obama's stimulus program.

Don't worry, you can vote for Obama in 2012. He obviously is more of a candidate to give you what you want, the nanny state.

roguenuke · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
By the way, with regard to that gotcha moment, suggest you review the actual numbers for Arizona and TX

AZ

5,130,632

6,392,017

1,261,385

24.585%

TX

20,851,820

25,145,561

4,293,741

20.592%

Notice any difference in the amount of increase and the total population. TX has almost 4 times the population and 4 times the actual population growth making TX a much bigger state to manage than Arizona

So if Perry is doing a poor job at managing TX, how does he plan to manage the entire country? Trying to lure businesses from one state to another or doctors from one state to another is not going to do anything to improve things for the whole country.

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Now it is 12 billion? Before it was 6 billion. God forbid that the people of TX get some of their tax dollars back or are you one of those that believe the stimulus came out of the Obama "stash?"

$6 billion was the most recent infusion to close the budget gap. It is over $12 billion total.

"Abrams, asked for backup for the president’s statement, pointed us to the National Conference of State Legislatures, which in turn sent us its July 2009 report on state budgets. According to the report, state budget-writing Texas lawmakers in 2009 were short $6.6 billion in revenue for 2010-11 and relied heavily on stimulus funds for a solution.

We did our own budget research, finding that lawmakers agreed to spend $80.6 billion in state general revenue on basic expenses over the two-year period, according to a report by the Legislative Budget Board, which advises lawmakers on budgetary matters.

However, the stimulus aid let legislators put an additional $6.4 billion toward programs, primarily Medicaid and education, historically financed with general revenue, according to a July 2009 House Research Organization report. Another $5.7 billion in stimulus money went to programs such as highway and bridge construction, child care development programs and weatherization assistance.

Counting all funding sources, including the $12.1 billion in stimulus aid, the 2010-11 state budget totaled $182 billion."

PolitiFact Texas | President Obama says Gov. Perry used stimulus fund to help balance budget, then started 'blaming' federal lawmakers who voted for legislation

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

roguenuke said:
So if Perry is doing a poor job at managing TX, how does he plan to manage the entire country? Trying to lure businesses from one state to another or doctors from one state to another is not going to do anything to improve things for the whole country.

The plant in Carolina is a NEW Plant, that isn't luring business from one state to another.

Luring business from one state to another won't happen with a relaxing of regulations,elimination of Obamacare, and assuring businesses that their taxes aren't going up. What you forget is that businesses are going to pay the federal taxes but are going to move to states with lower state taxes to offset it. TX isn't the only one.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Then prove to me that Discouraged Workers include any of those baby boomers getting ready to retire? What stock market losses? Obama has saved us all. Why would anyone be discouraged with our "Hope and Change" President?

Baby boomers retiring isn't about discouraged workers, it's about the size of the workforce. You were complaining that the workforce under Obama has shrunk and retiring baby boomers is the main reason why. This has been brought to your attention before, it's not new inofrmation.

Conservative · Aug 25, 2011

AdamT said:
$6 billion was the most recent infusion to close the budget gap. It is over $12 billion total.

"Abrams, asked for backup for the president’s statement, pointed us to the National Conference of State Legislatures, which in turn sent us its July 2009 report on state budgets. According to the report, state budget-writing Texas lawmakers in 2009 were short $6.6 billion in revenue for 2010-11 and relied heavily on stimulus funds for a solution.

We did our own budget research, finding that lawmakers agreed to spend $80.6 billion in state general revenue on basic expenses over the two-year period, according to a report by the Legislative Budget Board, which advises lawmakers on budgetary matters.

However, the stimulus aid let legislators put an additional $6.4 billion toward programs, primarily Medicaid and education, historically financed with general revenue, according to a July 2009 House Research Organization report. Another $5.7 billion in stimulus money went to programs such as highway and bridge construction, child care development programs and weatherization assistance.

Counting all funding sources, including the $12.1 billion in stimulus aid, the 2010-11 state budget totaled $182 billion."

PolitiFact Texas | President Obama says Gov. Perry used stimulus fund to help balance budget, then started 'blaming' federal lawmakers who voted for legislation

Wasn't highway and bridge construction, child care development, and weatherization part of the stimulus program that Obama promoted? Keep moving that goalpost Adam. So now that is counted in the TX budget? Were those items in the TX budget before? Unbelievable. Nothing is going to change your mind so this is a waste of time.

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
TX has almost 4 times the population and 4 times the actual population growth making TX a much bigger state to manage than Arizona

That's true, and Texas also has the weak governor system, so Perry has less responsiblity than any other governor in the country. Thought we'd have learned that lesson by now.

AdamT · Aug 25, 2011

Conservative said:
Wasn't highway and bridge construction, child care development, and weatherization part of the stimulus program that Obama promoted? Keep moving that goalpost Adam. So now that is counted in the TX budget? Were those items in the TX budget before? Unbelievable. Nothing is going to change your mind so this is a waste of time.

I didn't say the full $12 billion was counted in the budget. Try to read what you're responding to before you post.