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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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disneydude said:
COn believes in the "Chinaization" of America. One in which the workers are paid peanuts and the wealthy amass the wealth of the country.
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Rates of various illnesses shoot up for the homeless demographic. So conservative as he stated before for those who can not pay tax dollars should. In effect he has shot himself in foot here.
 
disneydude said:
Sorry....but the decline of real income and the destruction of the middle class began with the huge tax cuts to the wealthy during Reagan/Bush. GWB only help exacerabate it. Until we return to the pre-Reagan tax structure of this country and end rewarding corporations who take good paying American jobs overseas, our economy will continue to struggle.
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Reagan came about a mere 6 years after we created the ability to debase the currency fully.

Sorry, you are wrong about what caused the decline of real income – lowing tax rates for the wealthy can’t possibly make poor people make less money, but massive inflation certainly can.
 
Conservative said:
To pay for what, Adam? Let's see if you are capable of admitting that you are wrong? TX took stimulus money to fund the Federal mandates on increased Medicaid and expansion of unemployment insurance or do you believe the state taxpayer should fund those expenses mandated by the Federal Govt?
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Where is your source saying that the $6 billion TX took went only to federal mandates?

But to answer your question, yes, I think the citizens of TX should pay for the benefits they receive, just like the citizens of every other state. When Texans start tearing up their social security checks and stop using Medicare, then we can talk about rebates. :roll:
 
winston53660 said:
Rates of various illnesses shoot up for the homeless demographic. So conservative as he stated before for those who can not pay tax dollars should. In effect he has shot himself in foot here.
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Its what time and again people like Con fail to recogonize. They love to spout off the hyperbole but have no idea on how to actually get results.
 
ARealConservative said:
Reagan came about a mere 6 years after we created the ability to debase the currency fully.

Sorry, you are wrong about what caused the decline of real income – lowing tax rates for the wealthy can’t possibly make poor people make less money, but massive inflation certainly can.
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You are partially correct. It was a combination of a number of factors, including NAFTA for which Bill Clinton is largely responsible. However, a big part of it is the restructuring of the tax system under Reagan which cut the tax rate of many of the wealthiest Americans in half.
 
AdamT said:
Where is your source saying that the $6 billion TX took went only to federal mandates?

But to answer your question, yes, I think the citizens of TX should pay for the benefits they receive, just like the citizens of every other state. When Texans start tearing up their social security checks and stop using Medicare, then we can talk about rebates. :roll:
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How about posting your mailing address so I can pay for your healthcare as well. I am going to pay for Disneydudes so why not yours?

Federal Mandates have to be funded by Federal taxdollars as signed by Bill Clinton in the mid 90's.

By the way when you get a job you will be contributing to SS and Medicare. When you turn 65 refuse to get your money back.
 
disneydude said:
You are partially correct. It was a combination of a number of factors, including NAFTA for which Bill Clinton is largely responsible. However, a big part of it is the restructuring of the tax system under Reagan which cut the tax rate of many of the wealthiest Americans in half.
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how do poor people make less money buy allowing rich people to make more money? explain this foolishness please.
 
disneydude said:
Its what time and again people like Con fail to recogonize. They love to spout off the hyperbole but have no idea on how to actually get results.
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Don't you just love the Obama results that only cost over a trillion to generate

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
Conservative said:
How about posting your mailing address so I can pay for your healthcare as well. I am going to pay for Disneydudes so why not yours?

Federal Mandates have to be funded by Federal taxdollars as signed by Bill Clinton in the mid 90's.

By the way when you get a job you will be contributing to SS and Medicare. When you turn 65 refuse to get your money back.
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How about actually answering a question instead of going off on your idiotic personal attacks.

Where is your evidence that all of the stimulus money went to pay for federal mandates? Why do you think Texans deserve to get federal benefits without paying for them -- unlike other states?

Here is where the stimulus money that Perry took ACTUALLY went:

"Abrams, asked for backup for the president’s statement, pointed us to the National Conference of State Legislatures, which in turn sent us its July 2009 report on state budgets. According to the report, state budget-writing Texas lawmakers in 2009 were short $6.6 billion in revenue for 2010-11 and relied heavily on stimulus funds for a solution.

We did our own budget research, finding that lawmakers agreed to spend $80.6 billion in state general revenue on basic expenses over the two-year period, according to a report by the Legislative Budget Board, which advises lawmakers on budgetary matters.

However, the stimulus aid let legislators put an additional $6.4 billion toward programs, primarily Medicaid and education, historically financed with general revenue, according to a July 2009 House Research Organization report. Another $5.7 billion in stimulus money went to programs such as highway and bridge construction, child care development programs and weatherization assistance.

Counting all funding sources, including the $12.1 billion in stimulus aid, the 2010-11 state budget totaled $182 billion."

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...ent-obama-says-gov-perry-used-stimulus-fund-/
 
Conservative said:
Don't you just love the Obama results that only cost over a trillion to generate

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
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I sure love the results in relation to what Bush left him:

And what Obama inherited: economy shedding 700,000+ jobs per month, GDP shrinking at 6+% per year, financial institutions teetering on the edge of collapse, trillion+ deficit.... Nice improvement.
 
Conservative said:
Don't you just love the Obama results that only cost over a trillion to generate

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
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ARealConservative said:
how do poor people make less money buy allowing rich people to make more money? explain this foolishness please.
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It is not a "quantitative" issue. It has to do with "real income"/buying power. Tax cuts to the wealthiest are always coupled with the Republican idea that the money will "trickle back down" into the system. The problem is.....the wealthiest tend to hoard and do not reinvest and thus the money is taken out of the system, doesn't "trickle down" and as a result, real income falls. It is basic economics.
 
Hospitals write off billions and then charge the rest of us to make up for it. I'd prefer we have single payer or extended Medicare for all Americans, thus reducing the write offs for those who aren't covered.

For now, those who don't pay, but can, are dealt with via collections, trashing their credit.

Those who can't pay also have their credit destroyed, even middle to upper middle who have hit their coverage limits with their insurance, owing to a catastrophic illness. Getting sick/hurt shouldn't bankrupt a person.
 
Might be worth mentioning again that REAGAN signed the legislation that forces hospitals to accept ER patients whether or not they can pay for their care....
 
Gina said:
Hospitals write off billions and then charge the rest of us to make up for it. I'd prefer we have single payer or extended Medicare for all Americans, thus reducing the write offs for those who aren't covered.

For now, those who don't pay, but can, are dealt with via collections, trashing their credit.

Those who can't pay also have their credit destroyed, even middle to upper middle who have hit their coverage limits with their insurance, owing to a catastrophic illness. Getting sick/hurt shouldn't bankrupt a person.
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Absolutely true....the Reality is that the GOP is more concerned that their base can make their supply of truffles and caviar...than they are the working Americans are supplied with basic healthcare.
 
disneydude said:
It is not a "quantitative" issue. It has to do with "real income"/buying power. Tax cuts to the wealthiest are always coupled with the Republican idea that the money will "trickle back down" into the system. The problem is.....the wealthiest tend to hoard and do not reinvest and thus the money is taken out of the system, doesn't "trickle down" and as a result, real income falls. It is basic economics.
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The only way what you said could be construed as accurate is if they hoard it in their walls, or under their beds.

There is nothing basic about your view, it is ignorant populist crap.
 
AdamT said:
I sure love the results in relation to what Bush left him:

And what Obama inherited: economy shedding 700,000+ jobs per month, GDP shrinking at 6+% per year, financial institutions teetering on the edge of collapse, trillion+ deficit.... Nice improvement.
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Right, all that spending and we get fewer employed, a reduction in labor force, lost jobs, lower economic growth, and greater debt. Thanks Obama
 
AdamT said:
Might be worth mentioning again that REAGAN signed the legislation that forces hospitals to accept ER patients whether or not they can pay for their care....
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And the costs of ER care is substantially higher than the cost of clinic care....which is exactly why a single-payer system makes sense strictly on an economic level.
 
disneydude said:
Its what time and again people like Con fail to recogonize. They love to spout off the hyperbole but have no idea on how to actually get results.
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What I find mildly confusing is how people didn't see this coming. It was clear a long time ago that the far left had taken over the Democrat party. All the info was there as to what the President's positions would be. And yet, these fools were voted into office, first with Democrat control of Congress, then the White House. And just now the average person is getting upset and thinks they're doing a poor job? How could they not? How, with no evidence to support it, did anybody think this was gonna work? The people have gotten the government they voted for, and they had to take it in the teeth to see what it was they voted for.
 
Gina said:
Hospitals write off billions and then charge the rest of us to make up for it. I'd prefer we have single payer or extended Medicare for all Americans, thus reducing the write offs for those who aren't covered.

For now, those who don't pay, but can, are dealt with via collections, trashing their credit.

Those who can't pay also have their credit destroyed, even middle to upper middle who have hit their coverage limits with their insurance, owing to a catastrophic illness. Getting sick/hurt shouldn't bankrupt a person.
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My high risk coverage goes up to 2.2 million. That might sound like a lot but when you are looking at an LVAD (roughly 400k not counting follow up) and a heart transplant (roughly 1 million first year not counting medications) one can spend those health dollars rather quickly.
 
ARealConservative said:
The only way what you said could be construed as accurate is if they hoard it in their walls, or under their beds.

There is nothing basic about your view, it is ignorant populist crap.
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Not true at all. Failure by the wealthiest to reinvest in this country is what leads to the decline of real income. THAT is economics 101.
 
disneydude said:
And the costs of ER care is substantially higher than the cost of clinic care....which is exactly why a single-payer system makes sense strictly on an economic level.
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Right and MA is a shining example of that were Medical costs have risen dramatically because there aren't enough doctors.
 
ARealConservative said:
how do poor people make less money buy allowing rich people to make more money? explain this foolishness please.
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The money supply is finite moment to moment. If a few own too much of that money, there isn't enough to BE paychecks.

The "pie" does grow, but if the same people get the lions share of all "new" pie, the "pie-less" are still "pie-less".
 
ric27 said:
What I find mildly confusing is how people didn't see this coming. It was clear a long time ago that the far left had taken over the Democrat party. All the info was there as to what the President's positions would be. And yet, these fools were voted into office, first with Democrat control of Congress, then the White House. And just now the average person is getting upset and thinks they're doing a poor job? How could they not? How, with no evidence to support it, did anybody think this was gonna work? The people have gotten the government they voted for, and they had to take it in the teeth to see what it was they voted for.
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Actually....they didn't. The majority of Americans wanted a "public option".....the poor substitution that we got was a result of an attempt to compromise and include the Republican idea of requiring Americans to purchase insurance to get a handful of bluedogs to go along. The American people absolutely did not get what they voted for.
 
What if...? said:
The money supply is finite moment to moment. If a few own too much of that money, there isn't enough to BE paychecks.

The "pie" does grow, but if the same people get the lions share of all "new" pie, the "pie-less" are still "pie-less".
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Perhaps ARC can understand it in those terms.
 
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