Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
And like a good liberal minion you buy the term saved jobs...

And like a good Conservative liar, you are intentionally misquoting what Obama said. You can deny 1,000 times that Obama didn't include saved jobs in his goal but it will never be true. It will just be another lie you tell 1,000 times. I gave you his exact quote but you dishonestly choose to believe a misquote you found on a webpage.

Conservative said:
... even though there is no reputable source that counts saved jobs. Keep being brainwashed by the Obama rhetoric

You said the results of Obama's stimulus cost us $228,000. I'm going by what you said.

"821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each" ~ Conservative

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I'm not lying. I gave you the actual numbers I found on the BLS website.

Unemployment increased by 2.2 million jobs and the unemployment rate increased from 4.2% to 5.5% when you voted to give Bush 4 more years.

I gave you the employment number and that is what is important. Employed people pay taxes and we had a growing labor force. I won't be voting for Obama, net job loss, declining labor force, fewer people employed, and 4 trillion added to the debt

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
So now you admit that it was CBO that made the statement about 3.5 million saved or created jobs. That is a start.

Who knows how you extrapolate me pointing out the CBO never said what you claim they said, but suffice it to say ...

:cuckoo:

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And like a good Conservative liar, you are intentionally misquoting what Obama said. You can deny 1,000 times that Obama didn't include saved jobs in his goal but it will never be true. It will just be another lie you tell 1,000 times. I gave you his exact quote but you dishonestly choose to believe a misquote you found on a webpage.

You said the results of Obama's stimulus cost us $228,000. I'm going by what you said.

"821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each" ~ Conservative

CBO Report released in December 2010

A report released last week by the CBO called, “Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output from October Through December 2010” says the stimulus law cost a total of $821 billion, up from the CBO’s original estimate that it would cost $787 billion.

Former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (AP Photo)

In the third quarter of 2010, the CBO estimates that somewhere between 1.4 million and 3.6 million jobs were created or saved by the stimulus. The $821 billion cost of the stimulus divided by the maximum of 3.6 million jobs the CBO says the stimulus may have saved or created equals an average of $228,055 per job.

After his appearance at the Energy Innovation Summit in Washington on Tuesday, CNSNews.com asked Schwarzenegger, a supporter of the stimulus law since its passage in 2009, about the CBO’s report.

They [CBO] released a report saying that the stimulus package created 3.6 million jobs – a maximum and cost the taxpayers $228,000 per job. Do you think it was still worth it given this assessment from the Congressional Budget Office?” asked CNSNews.com.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
I gave you the employment number and that is what is important. Employed people pay taxes and we had a growing labor force. I won't be voting for Obama, net job loss, declining labor force, fewer people employed, and 4 trillion added to the debt

Oh? It doesn't matter that unemployment rose as the net job gains weren't enough to keep up with growth?

Face reality, it doesn't matter what Bush did. You were voting for him no matter what.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Oh? It doesn't matter that unemployment rose as the net job gains weren't enough to keep up with growth?

Face reality, it doesn't matter what Bush did. You were voting for him no matter what.

Against Kerry, you bet

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And like a good Conservative liar, you are intentionally misquoting what Obama said. You can deny 1,000 times that Obama didn't include saved jobs in his goal but it will never be true. It will just be another lie you tell 1,000 times. I gave you his exact quote but you dishonestly choose to believe a misquote you found on a webpage.

You said the results of Obama's stimulus cost us $228,000. I'm going by what you said.

"821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each" ~ Conservative

Conservative liar? Wow, such civil rhetoric from our resident liberal distortionist.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
CBO Report released in December 2010...

They [CBO] released a report saying that the stimulus package created 3.6 million jobs – a maximum and cost the taxpayers $228,000 per job. Do you think it was still worth it given this assessment from the Congressional Budget Office?” asked CNSNews.com.

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Holy ****, Con ... the CBO report never said each job cost $228,000

Here's the CBO report, see for yourself...

https://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12074/02-23-ARRA.pdf

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Holy ****, Con ... the CBO report never said each job cost $228,000

Here's the CBO report, see for yourself...

https://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12074/02-23-ARRA.pdf

No, basic math gives you that number, ought to try it out but then again the stimulus was a total failure so don't worry about it

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
Conservative liar? Wow, such civil rhetoric from our resident liberal distortionist.

What would you call someone who claims Obama didn't say "saved" and quotes a thrid party to prove it, even though Obama saved "saved?"

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
No, basic math gives you that number, ought to try it out but then again the stimulus was a total failure so don't worry about it

And you said those were the results of Obama's stimulus.

Well since you believe those are the results of Obama's stimulus, why should I doubt you?

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
What would you call someone who claims Obama didn't say "saved" and quotes a thrid party to prove it, even though Obama saved "saved?"

I asked you to provide the source that calculates saved jobs and you continue to ignore the question. You bought the Obama rhetoric now prove there were actual saved jobs. Speculation doesn't count, nor does pointing to state jobs supposedly saved that are state, not federal responsibility.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And you said those were the results of Obama's stimulus.

Well since you believe those are the results of Obama's stimulus, why should I doubt you?

No, CBO which took information from the administration and the Congress came up with the number. dividing that number by the cost comes up with a per job cost since that was the basic purpose of the stimulus

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

The energizer wingnut is still at it. :2rofll:

winston53660 · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
The energizer wingnut is still at it. :2rofll:

It's the Obama results:lamo

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
I asked you to provide the source that calculates saved jobs and you continue to ignore the question. You bought the Obama rhetoric now prove there were actual saved jobs. Speculation doesn't count, nor does pointing to state jobs supposedly saved that are state, not federal responsibility.

Since you apparently forgot, let me remind you of what you said ...

"Wrong, as reported he said he would CREATE 3 million jobs as I posted and then changed it to save or create knowing that no one can determine the amount of saved jobs." ~ Conservative

That is bull**** as Obama said "saved and created" from the beginning.

You then tried to quote a third party who misquote him because you couldn't deal with Obama's actual quote since it made you look, shall we say, less than honest.

pbrauer · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
No, basic math gives you that number, ought to try it out but then again the stimulus was a total failure so don't worry about it

Basic math? It's more like moronic math.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
No, CBO which took information from the administration and the Congress came up with the number. dividing that number by the cost comes up with a per job cost since that was the basic purpose of the stimulus

And you said those were the results of his stimulus,.

Here, look for yourself -- it's what you said...

"Don't you just love the Obama results? 15 million unemployed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, 821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each. Those are the results "your" President generated and why he got shellacked in 2010." ~ Conservative

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And you said those were the results of his stimulus,.

Here, look for yourself -- it's what you said...

"Don't you just love the Obama results? 15 million unemployed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, 821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each. Those are the results "your" President generated and why he got shellacked in 2010." ~ Conservative

Do you have a point? the stimulus was a failure the Obama results speak for themselves. Isn't it amazing we still have over 15 million unemployed today after that stimulus plan was implemented? Looks to me like the results are accurate and that is a failure.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
Do you have a point? the stimulus was a failure the Obama results speak for themselves. Isn't it amazing we still have over 15 million unemployed today after that stimulus plan was implemented? Looks to me like the results are accurate and that is a failure.

It wasn't a failure according to you. It targeted saving or creating 3 million jobs. You said the results of it saved or created 3.5 million jobs.

Does he have your support now??

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
It wasn't a failure according to you. It targeted saving or creating 3 million jobs. You said the results of it created 3.5 million jobs.

Does he have your support now??

Only a liberal would call that a success, 228,000 per job and 15 million unemployed Americans. Such low standards you have, hope for your family sake you don't have those low of standards in real life.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
Only a liberal would call that a success, 228,000 per job and 15 million unemployed Americans. Such low standards you have, hope for your family sake you don't have those low of standards in real life.

His goal was to save or create 3 million jobs. You said the results of his stimulus saved or created that plus an additional half million jobs.

How is that not a success?

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
His goal was to save or create 3 million jobs. You said the results of his stimulus saved or created that plus an additional half million jobs.

How is that not a success?

Yet we have millions of job losses so where are the 3 million jobs created?

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
His goal was to save or create 3 million jobs. You said the results of his stimulus saved or created that plus an additional half million jobs.

How is that not a success?

This is a success to you

Employment by month, 142.2 million when he took office and 139.2 million today, that is a 3 million job loss so where are those jobs created again?

2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
This is a success to you

Employment by month, 142.2 million when he took office and 139.2 million today, that is a 3 million job loss so where are those jobs created again?

2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296

Those numbers are a separate issue. Obama's plan was to save or create 3 million jobs. Just because we lost 2½ million since Obama's stimulus instead of 6 million doesn't mean his stimulus was a failure ... it was never designed to save or create 8+ million jobs, which is what we need to get the unemployment rate back down to where it was when Clinton was president.